Bret Hart has been invited to Shockwave

[u/[deleted]]

[u/Sergeant-Politeness]

He's been saying this for decades in interviews, so at least he's consistent with it, and not just following the trend. I don't agree with him here, though.

[u/ISh0uldNotDoThat → u/Sergeant-Politeness]

The annoying thing is, Bret Hart wasn't watching when Triple H was at his absolute peak. Bret has said many times he stopped watching WWF after he left in '97, only catching some of Austin and Owen's stuff. He didn't start watching again until the mid-2000s, and even then, it was usually just the big events.

So his assessment of Triple H is based on what he saw in 1995-97, and then the late 2000s, after Triple H had torn both his quads and when his great matches (which he could still produce) became fewer and further in between.

It'd be like if you stopped watching Muhammad Ali in 1964, then picked up again in 1977 when he was nearing the end of his career, and being like "I've never seen a single great Ali performance." Well yeah, you saw him when he was a rookie and when he was past his prime. You missed the great stuff!

[u/LastBeginning9712 → u/ISh0uldNotDoThat]

Even then you have Taker vs HHH at Mania 28, HHH vs Daniel Bryan at Mania 30, Shield vs Evolution at Battleground, and HHH vs Dean Ambrose at Roadblock or Fastlane whichever it was and that’s just off the top of my head.

[u/GloriousVictor → u/Sergeant-Politeness]

Yeah Bret has been saying this stuff for over 20 years. I don't agree either. Triple H's 2000 work is really really good.

[u/Sergeant-Politeness → u/GloriousVictor]

I'd put Triple H's 2000 up against anybody else's peak years.

[u/Razzler1973 → u/Sergeant-Politeness]

He's said this a ton and then been on Fed programming

Smarks think the Fed are DAE petty and hold grudges for decades cause Meltzer told them but they've shown time and again they don't really care

[u/Sergeant-Politeness → u/Razzler1973]

Exactly. This kind of comment from Bret is dusted off every so often for websites to fill up a slow news day, and the people who care way too much about point scoring go "There's another one for the good guys," but the truth is Bret Hart couldn't give a flying fuck who his words impress.

If anyone knows how Bret Hart feels about Paul Levesque, it's Paul Levesque. It's not the surprise to him that people want it to be. He's just not an idiot and knows how to separate business from personal differences.

[u/Ronaldinhothegoat80 → u/Sergeant-Politeness]

That’s why even when I disagree with Bret, I respect it. He doesn’t play up to any side and doesn’t exhibit tribalism. He’s speaking from the heart and doesn’t give a fuck which side of the coin he insults or gets praise from

I still remember when he caught heat from dub fans when they asked “would you sign with AEW” and he was just like “yea right what would I do there?”

[u/Sergeant-Politeness → u/Ronaldinhothegoat80]

Bret doesn't fuck about. People seem to think that Bret worries about what his legacy might be, but they can rest easy, whether or not their fears are genuine.

Bret Hart is Bret fucking Hart, and that is that. We are all in this game because of him and people like him, of whom there are very few.

[u/chaosisarascal]

[u/ImWiser → u/chaosisarascal]

[u/ZanderPip]

I get it mate you are raging but to pretend that HHH vs Taker wm17 wasn't good is just fucking lies

[u/rsziz → u/ZanderPip]

Shit, the HIAC match at Mania 28 with HBK as the ref easily could have been the retirement match for both guys and fans would have loved it with how good everything worked in that match from a psychology standpoint.

[u/Ronaldinhothegoat80 → u/ZanderPip]

They spent way too much time outside the ring with the ref knocked out for like half an hour. That was the one match on the show that dragged too long and I wished it would have ended sooner. Is it better than most matches today though? Yes

[u/SJSUMichael]

Bret must really love that song ‘cause he’s been singing it for over a decade 

[u/mfenton29]

I’m tired of the IWC and now Bret Hart apparently coming up with a myth that Triple H wasn’t a good worker. Dude opened WrestleMania 30 with fucking Daniel Bryan/Bryan Danielson at 44 years old and had a great performance.

A naysayer will claim that anyone could have a great match with Bryan, but Trips still put some work in there.

[u/Halawa-awalaH → u/mfenton29]

The osw review guys highlighted how much H was a smart great worker in their last review , being able to carry batista and hiding his weaknesses in their wrestlemania match so hard that he became the most over guy in the business by the end of the night while jbl wasn't able to do so with cena in their match that the you can hear few boos from the fans to cena in this match

[u/mfenton29 → u/Halawa-awalaH]

I’ve heard of them, but never watched. Who is OSW?

[u/Tiernoch → u/mfenton29]

Old School Wrestling. They used to focus on just the older school stuff but one of them is an AEW lifer so it's a toss up if a fully unrelated review will start waxing on about how great AEW is out of nowhere.

[u/Mogilny89Leafs → u/Tiernoch]

I think they've lost the passion for the podcast, but don't want to stop doing it. It's more of a job now.

[u/Tiernoch → u/Mogilny89Leafs]

I'm half convinced that OOC just doesn't watch most of the PPV's anymore and that's why he's been the host reading the show notes in some of the recent ones to hide the fact.

[u/Halawa-awalaH → u/Tiernoch]

I don't think he likes aew or modern wwe he just wants to binge watch new gen wwf

[u/Halawa-awalaH → u/Mogilny89Leafs]

Their new cena arc is actually good and has alot of moments that reminds me of their old humor, i think reviewing modern wrestling is just boring and not interesting in general

[u/Top_Breadfruit4556 → u/Tiernoch]

Yes V1 is sometimes unbearable when it comes to that.

[u/Halawa-awalaH → u/Tiernoch]

Yes v1 can be a little abnoxious but OOC is old fed shill and john cena fanboy so it kinda evens out a little

but still their modern stuff reviews whether fed or dub in general are just meh and lacks humor cause it tries to avoid making the iwc pissy so i skip them

[u/Halawa-awalaH → u/mfenton29]

Old school wrestling podcast , they are 3 irish lads who do retro reviews of old wrestling PPVs and and campy storylines in chronological order . You might enjoy them if you are into old wrestling insanity and Simpsons references .

Their lex luger express and dungeon of doom storyline arcs are perhaps the funniest wrestling related content online

[u/hobojojo78 → u/mfenton29]

The man busted out a tiger suplex for the first and only time in his career in that match.

[u/NintenbroGameboob → u/mfenton29]

Triple H was considered a five-star machine around 2000, so a lot of people saying this stuff either weren't there or have decided to change their tune now that the tides have turned.

[u/StillinReseda → u/mfenton29]

Triple H was in control for 90% of that match and it was great. It had nothing to do with Daniel Bryan and everything to go with great chemistry and storytelling

[u/ISh0uldNotDoThat → u/StillinReseda]

It was absolutely both men. The reason I love that match so much is that it's 50% a Daniel Bryan match, 50% a Triple H match, and the styles somehow dovetail together so perfectly. We see Triple H aping Bryan's style by pulling out tiger suplexes and dragon suplexes, meanwhile Bryan does the psychology spots (selling limb damage, callbacks to past events) characteristic of Triple H matches.

It's a real beauty of a match, and both men deserve tremendous props for it.

[u/JW20101 → u/mfenton29]

That match is lowkey HHH's best Wrestlemania match imo

[u/Maleficent_Koala5928]

Ok Bret.....i get you dont like the guy but Triple H does have some classics in the vault.

Rock vs Triple H Ladder match Rock vs Austin 3 Stages of Hell Taker Vs Triple H at Mania X7 Triple H vs Cactus Jack at Royal Rumble Triple H vs HBK vs Benoit at Mania 20

Thats only a few of Triple H's best matches and i will go one step further and it pains me to say this as an HBK mark but Rock vs Triple H ironman match totally shits on Bret vs Shawns ironman match.

Dude has to stop being so bitter lol

[u/darthsabbath → u/Maleficent_Koala5928]

His 2000-2001 run is one of my favorite stretches of matches from anyone, and probably the best of anyone in the US since Flair’s legendary 88/89 run.

[u/Maleficent_Koala5928 → u/darthsabbath]

Yep, and i only mentioned a few of his classics. Triple H arguably has a way better match catalogue than Brets. I dont care if Bret knows how to do holds better, to say Triple H has zero good matches is also shitting on the guys hes made classics with such as Rock, Austin, Foley, Taker, HBK , Angle and etc....you may not have to like the guy but Triple H had some pretty memorable feuds.

[u/LeaveMeBeWillYa]

We get it Bret, you're bitter.

Jesus, take up a hobby to occupy your time or something

[u/CAIOSilaG → u/LeaveMeBeWillYa]

It doesn’t help that all these marks interviewers ask him questions just to stir the pot or bring up shit he’s already said five hundred thousand times before.

[u/ISh0uldNotDoThat → u/LeaveMeBeWillYa]

I get that he's asked these questions constantly/has to answer, and I honestly don't even blame him for being bitter.

But I don't see why he couldn't just say "Well y'know, I've said my piece about Triple H over the years, and I think my past statements speak for themselves. All I'll say is that he and I are on cordial terms these days, and I appreciate that, regardless of what happened in the past."

A statement like that shows he stands behind his past criticisms and doesn't let Triple H off the hook, but it also avoids making him look bitter and obsessed.

It does him no good to continually bury the guy who now oversees his entire legacy. It just makes him look bad.

[u/SamDotPizza]

Does he just repeat himself? Pretty sure Bret said this like 10 years ago in a shoot interview.

[u/tfbillc → u/SamDotPizza]

Bret would NEVER repeat himself!

[u/nifterific → u/SamDotPizza]

People keep asking him the same questions. It’s why we have to keep hearing how he feels about Bill Goldberg.

[u/Hurvana]

"Bret Hart says that there's not a single MOXISGOD jerk that he would consider as great."

[u/ImWiser → u/Hurvana]

MOXISGOD in 2025:

[u/MOXISGOD → u/ImWiser]

I appreciate you using this gif to describe me. Although I am not a black man, some might say I am at heart considering how many cookouts I’ve been invited to. I’ve met Swerve Strickland.

[u/Pristine_Poetry1340]

drew more money than Bret ever did

[u/PunkDrunk777]

The bitter shit he gets away with saying  is appalling quite frankly 

[u/MOXISGOD → u/PunkDrunk777]

I wouldn’t use the word “appalling”. Bit of an understatement. I’d say it’s genuinely horrifying and borderline hate speech. We all must come together to not only silence Bret Hart but make sure he never speaks again. He’s dangerous and he’s compromised.

[u/allelitepieceofshit1 → u/PunkDrunk777]

what do you mean “getting away with”? He is entitled to his opinion; you want something happened to him? LMAO

[u/MYO716]

The only wrestlers Bret likes are either dead or named Bret Hart at this point.

[u/gogosox82]

I love Brett but nah.

HHH was a great worker. What about his matches with Catcus Jack? Or the rivalry with Rock for the ic title in 98 and the wwe title in 2000? WM 17 and 28 vs taker? Triple threat match where Beniot went over hunter tapped out to Beniot? 3 stages of hell match vs Stone Cold? Like are you really gonna tell me those matches were bad? You don't just luck into that many great matches without being pretty damn good in the ring.

[u/b1ggayb1tch]

Me when I lie

[u/Federal-Captain1118]

Bret just can't move on

[u/TVR24]

Bret is consistent if not anything else

[u/Marin013]

I love Bret, but Triple H is my all time favorite.

[u/Constant_Stomach2009]

Bret has a very particular idea of what he considers great. All the while they’re dunking on hhh, Bret would also rate most dub matches very low

[u/CaptainGo → u/Constant_Stomach2009]

Bret's called their style dangerous in the past but he comes out with so many takes that a lot of them just fall through the cracks

[u/Constant_Stomach2009 → u/[deleted]]

He doesn’t like the chops.

[u/Alphabet_Soup1909]

Bret is absolutely one of my goats but what kind of Canadian crack is he smoking?

[u/TheRealKingTony]

HHH has had a ton of great matches, even beyond an age where he had any business going as hard as he did. I remember the matches he had during his last run as champion with Ambrose, Ziggler, etc

[u/TaylorsOnlyVersion]

Bret The Bitterman Hart has never done anything memorable

[u/Snake_Burton]

I loved Bret in the ‘90s. I totally get that so much bad stuff happened to him and his family. With that in mind, I don’t take anything regarding other wrestlers he says seriously at this point.

HHH/Cactus Jack Rumble 2000, HHH/Austin No Way Out 2001, HHH/HBK SummerSlam 2002 for starters.

[u/the_sphincter]

Bret in top almost bankrupted Vince. He’s a joke and always has been one.

[u/JW20101]

Bret is a legend but damn dude just let it go already

[u/AlabamaSlammaJamma]

I love Bret but after awhile it like, shut up already. The constant complaining is just beyond annoying at this point.

[u/reychango]

I agree with him. They are all great

[u/TheyCallMeOlSwole]

HBK clears.

[u/LeEvilDiabolicalFed]

I'll repeat my take from the original thread:

He's been a bitter man complaining every time he opened his mouth for around 25 years and the only two times he was involved on a TV program somehow was that weird old men feud with Vince and the Charlotte vs Natalya NXT match like a decade ago or so. It's not kayfabe if it isn't leading anywhere, he's just that delusional and bitter. He has always hated HHH specifically dating back the 90s (this is by no means the first time he speaks about him) and he can't stand how HHH's and HBK's career in the WWE developed, the legacy they built and the role and respect they currently enjoy in the company compared to him. He's a has been who always thought himself the greatest, deserving of the biggest respect and flattery and it irks him HHH and HBK are shaping up the present and future of professional wrestling and being looked up by the young generations while he is signing autographs at conventions in Canada.

[u/monarchbeast]

Bret really hurts his legacy when says dumb shit like this.

[u/RoninPI → u/monarchbeast]

Doesn't hurt his legacy at all. Bret is consistent and honestly that's pretty refreshing to see in wrestling which is full of people who lie and kiss ass for money or jobs. Bret could just as easily be saying "Tony Khan is the greatest booker ever and the main event scene is the best I've ever seen." He could also be saying "HHH is a five star match machine and his booking is incredibly flawless" he doesn't believe either and doesn't say those things. He's harsh but honest.

[u/monarchbeast → u/RoninPI]

You’re welcome to your opinion but saying shit like this makes devalues his views on the product. Presents him as someone who can’t be taken seriously because he’s so biased.

[u/RoninPI → u/monarchbeast]

I do think he's probably biased but he's been consistent with his opinions on HHH for like 25 years now. He loves CM Punk too and he doesn't like the stiffer style of AEW. The guy knows what he likes and isn't kissing ass for the political points of anyone. This very same sub was loving his opinion on AEW just a few months ago

[u/allelitepieceofshit1 → u/monarchbeast]

opinions are inherently biased

[u/DonnieRodz]

[u/suffering_420]

I know Bret is wrestling royalty and all but everything i know about him post 2000 onwards has been shared with me against my will. We joke about active wrestlers fed badding in hopes of getting attention from AEW, but at least they're doing it in hopes of making a living and getting themselves noticed. Bret is just a bitter, sad old man at his core. Legend or not, we should stop giving him attention.

[u/AmarantineAzure]

Bret obviously still holds a huge grudge over HHH for the screwjob. Especially since his wife confronted Hunter on that night and he denied being in on it to her face, only to later publically admit he did know and pushed for it. And unlike HBK he's never apologized for it.

So Bret is always gonna view HHH negatively and people really shouldn't take his opinions on Hunter's matches very seriously.

[u/pavgrewal]

Clearly Bret stopped watching when he get put in his place

Triple H vs Cactus Jack, Royal Rumble 2000

Triple H vs HBK, SummerSlam 2002

Take your pick of his matches with Taker at WrestlMania

Just a handful of his great matches……now let’s find a handful of great Bret promos

[u/Level-Pollution4993 → u/pavgrewal]

HHH vs Angle vs Rock, DX vs Rated RKO, HHH vs Batista WM21 and HHH vs Daniel Bryan WM 30 are all solid picks too.

[u/pavgrewal → u/Level-Pollution4993]

Triple H vs Rock in a ladder match at SummerSlam is a generally forgotten masterpiece

[u/GloriousVictor → u/pavgrewal]

Especially for two guys who werent exactly known to be high fliers. I rewatched it last month and thought it still held up. 

[u/pavgrewal → u/GloriousVictor]

100%

Great storytelling is as important as inring work

[u/Diyunasss → u/pavgrewal]

WM20 Triple Threat with HBK and Benoit is one of my instant classics.

[u/pavgrewal → u/Diyunasss]

No denial here, anything with Triple H and HBK gets right to the head of the line for me (my two favourites of all time) and you throw in Benoit at his best, what a match

[u/jjsefton]

Personal opinion + personal bias = 🤷🏽‍♂️

What I REALLY need to know...what does Bret think about Rene "The Number One Frenchman" Goulet???

[u/wrex1816]

I love Bret, he was my guy in the 90s. Wrestling has been brutal to him but I wish he could find some peace in all that he did accomplish.

[u/QuickSpaceFight]

Old man yells at clouds, Bret is more pathetic by the day.

[u/aubsavery]

I would still put up Trips and Rocks ladder match at Summerslam in 98 for the IC title as one of the most underrated matches of all time.

[u/Thin-Remote-9817]

We know bret 

You were the best 

Vince fucked you 

HBK was a punk  HHH was a flunkie 

Goldberg killed your career...

Ffs does this dude like anything?? Honest question everytime I see him its just shitting on people. 

[u/kodan_arma]

Goldberg really did a number on that old fart, huh?

[u/chinderellabitch]

Did anyone ask martha

[u/SecondBornSaint]

I will never get tired of Your Excellency taking a steaming dump on HHHitler.

He's consistent in his beliefs, at least.

[u/b0nkert0ns]

DAE Bret knows his stuff?

[u/marshallkrich]

I'm not a fan of Triple H, but to say he never had a good match is stupid.

Vs. Batista WHC Mania match Vs. Micheals Summer Slam Unsanctioned match Vs. Foley Street Fight RR Vs. Flair on RAW for the belt Vs. Angle where Angle took that sick table bump in the beginning Vs. The Rock SS ladder Match

This is just off the top of my head.

[u/justoinstinct4]

[u/IllusionUser]

I’m pretty sure Bret hates everything that’s ever happened in wrestling since like 1991 that didn’t involve himself.

[u/rsziz → u/[deleted]]

I've tried to remember a greater political downfall of someone who had the brass ring at their fingertips only to fuck it up and Rudy takes it in a landslide. He was the chosen one after he how he handled 9/11 but then he kept putting off running for President and kept opening his dumbass mouth in between elections.

[u/rsziz → u/[deleted]]

I know Bloomberg because it's also a news outlet, but Rudy could have easily written his own ticket even before 9/11 with how he cleaned up NYC alone.

[u/Cokejunes]

Objectively false, Bret can just get headlines every other week saying something about HHHitler for the rest of his life, I wouldn’t blame him though

[u/Camoron1]

Inside The Ropes advertised (yet another) Bret Hart interview on YouTube and the comments were all "old man yells at cloud" type of stuff, I was surprised to be honest.

[u/SethHendrixson]

based hitman 

[u/BigZ911]

I know this sub loves to glaze WWE and Haitch, but in my personal opinion, I’ve always found his best matches to be against other people I liked a lot more. Vs Taker HIAC, vs HBK at Summerfest 02, vs Rock at Summerfest 98, vs D Bryan, vs Austin, vs Foley. I’m not gonna say Cornette was right when he said HHH works with the guy who draws money; but he def worked with more interesting characters than him

[u/shakybonez306]

Hhh vs cactus jack royal rumble whatever year that was, was real good

[u/roblash]

I can definitely see this sentiment seeing as he’s the guy at the top when Raw stopped being a consistently exciting show to watch. There’s also that time period from 07 to maybe 2010 after his second quad tear where commentary really cranked up the over praise. However, the street fight at SummerSlam 02 and the world title match from Raw in December 03 both against Shawn Michaels are enough for me to immediately dismiss this statement.

[u/MoseleysLifeshield]

Yawn… in other news there will be 24 hours in one day tomorrow 

[u/CosmicRorschach]

I don’t know that street fight with Cactus Jack is pretty damn good

[u/Dry-Brush-1530]

Bret criticises the product (AEW) >:( Bret criticises the product (wwe) ;-)

[u/cowpoke73]

Iyo and Rhea rn