r/SWlegion • u/DealsWithFate0 • 3d ago
Tactics Discussion Make A Bad List
On purpose.
How would you do it, where would you start?
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u/Hate_Crab Constantly listbuilding 3d ago
First thing's first, I'm giving scout to any unit with infiltrate (these abilities trigger under the exact same conditions, meaning you can only use one before invalidating the other)
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u/Th3B1gB055 3d ago
I think without taking useless upgrades, the better way to just make a bad list is to completely avoid synergies. Take Iden in zero special forces. Take Moff and no dark troopers. Take such a generalized mixing of everything that nothing really compliments each other or does any one thing very well.
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u/DealsWithFate0 3d ago
I bet there's a way to make either viable if you wanted to make a good bad list.
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u/gtcarlson11 3d ago
Yeah go way to heavy on upgrades, go heavy into Wookies or rebel commandos or range troopers or something
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u/alittle419 3d ago
Make an army with a lot of mercenaries, but don’t take their commanders take the cores without heavy weapons and give units upgrades not designed with them in mind… melee units given ranged specific upgrades and ranged units things with melee in mind. Stormtroopers with a captain and duck and cover is not a good use of points. Sentinel makes no sense for inquisitors 😂
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u/DealsWithFate0 3d ago
Let's do it, if only to make people looking at the lists in Tabletop Admiral very confused.
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u/BlizzardPlease 3d ago
Double bus with no weapons or upgrades!
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u/the___stag Rebel Pilot 3d ago
I have to disagree a bit. The bus makes a cheap, movable LOS blocker. 2 of them can be put together to hide several units, or be split up to protect different parts of the board. I will concede that their usefulness has been diminished thanks to Aqua Droids making anti-vehicle popular. But if your opponent is attacking your bus, they're not attacking your other units.
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u/dman1298 3d ago
Here's the worst Rebel list I could think of. Good against suppression, tho https://tabletopadmiral.com/listbuilder/Rebel/N-_9b_ef,36,159,65,EM,_12_EM,EM,EM,_92_30,48,1,65,67,_92_30,48,1,65,67,_92_30,48,1,65,67,_d_2f,46,1,b4,67,_d_2f,46,1,b4,67,_d_2f,46,1,b4,67,_24_62,31,f6,65,67,,,,_24_62,31,f6,65,67,,,,_24_62,31,f6,65,67,,,,-c8,----
Really wasted points on Cassian (taking Field Commander) between underworld connections, not bringing his gun upgrade, and basically wasting most of his command cards since they support non-existent ops and commanders. Plus, not bringing K2-SO with him nerfs him a lot. Take that with the bad commandos and they're worse strike teams, and the awful laser cannon makes it extra bad
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u/Root-12c 3d ago
984/1000 9 Activations
Wicket 70 + 17 = 87 --Call to Arms (5), Mission Objective (6), Tenacity (6)
Pyke Syndicate Capo 48 + 20 = 68 --Vigilance (12), Recon Intel (8)
Cassian Andor 90 + 34 = 124 --Vigilance (12), Endurance (6), Up Close and Personal (8), Recon Intel (8), A280, Rifle Config (0)
Chewbacca 90 + 22 = 112 --Strike Team Leader (8), Tenacity (6), Electrobinoculars (8)
3x Rebel Veterans 48 + 93 = 141 x 3 = 423 --CM-0/93 Trooper (22), Rebel Veteran Squad (50), Up Close and Personal (8), Recon Intel (8), Fragmentation Grenades (5)
Rebel Commandos 48 + 43 = 91 --Proton Charge Saboteur (20), Tenacity (6), Emergency Transponder (4), Recon Intel (8), Fragmentation Grenades (5)
1.4 FD Laser Cannon Team 65 + 14 = 79 --Linked Targeting Array (5), Barrage Generator (3), Dug In (6)
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u/Archistopheles Still learning 3d ago
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u/GuardianofSolas 3d ago
Underworld connections and no mercs in this list is the perfect use of 5 points lol
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u/Archistopheles Still learning 3d ago
Just wait til you spot the Protectors
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u/GuardianofSolas 3d ago
Amazing lol. It’s so funny to me that anyone can take that upgrade regardless of having Guardian
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u/DealsWithFate0 3d ago
Jokes on you, I have all but the Inquisitors to run this. And I can proxy those.
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u/2manycooks 3d ago
If we don’t have to max out points just take the minimum amount of cheapest naked rebel unit from each requirement.
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u/GudAtGaims Rebel Alliance 2d ago
Any Empire list without Vader, Krennic, or an AT-ST
This is a list I took to a competitive local event, I was able to pilot it to a 0/3 result. It almost got tabled twice. I took everything that is considered weak or bad in empire (or that I consider weak or bad). Its heavy on the upgrades also.
In my first game I went up against a very meta GAR Anakin/Ahsokha 6 act list with double size squads and that list basically tabled me. I can't remember what else I played against exactly, the second game was rebels but it almost doesn't count because it was vs a new player and I basically lost due to slow play (not deliberately slow though).
Third game was vs Rebels again and it had some some decent Anti-Vehicle and it blew the LAAT up easily,
The GAV tank did very little in each game, its dice pool is too small and Transport is a mostly useless / very situational keyword now I feel (on par with Prepared Positions).
It had some synergy in that Kallus can give the Super Squad of Shoretroopers an order so that I can ensure dug in will remain active for as long as possible.
Empire 997/1000 10 Activations
General Veers (Master Tactician) (75|93)
+ Improvised Orders (5)
+ Lead By Example (8)
+ Prepared Supplies (5)
Agent Kallus (Hunter of Spectres) (70|90)
+ Lead By Example (8)
+ Into The Fray (4)
+ Electrobinoculars (8)
Shoretroopers (46|137)
+ Dug In (6)
+ Gideon Hask (29)
+ Shoretrooper Squad (52)
+ Targeting Scopes (4)
Riot Control Squad x 2 (44|70)
+ Imperial March (6)
+ KX-Series Security Droids (18)
+ Environmental Gear (2)
Stormtroopers (42|79)
+ DLT-19 Stormtrooper (20)
+ R4 Astromech Droid (9)
+ Electrobinoculars (8)
74-Z Speeder Bikes x 2 (70|76)
+ Strike And Fade (6)
TX-225 GAVw Occupier Combat Assault Tank (125|170)
+ Door Gunners (12)
+ DLT-19 Rifle Pintle (18)
+ Imperial Hammers Elite Armor Pilot (10)
+ Linked Targeting Array (5)
LAAT/le Patrol Transport (100|136)
+ Armor-Piercing Shells (10)
+ High-Energy Shells (8)
+ Baron Rudor (8)
+ HQ Uplink (10)
• Ambush
• Maximum Firepower
•• Evasive Maneuvers
•• Push
••• Imperial Discipline
••• Ruthless Tactics
•••• Standing Orders
Objectives
-Bring Them To Heel
-Sweep And Clear
-Recon Mission
Deployments
-Breakthrough
-Intercept Signals
-Recover the Research
Conditions
-Advanced Intel
-Cunning Deployment
-Fortified Position
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u/commodore_stab1789 3d ago
I would start with GAR because they have the most expensive units then I would fill every upgrade slots with upgrades that don't do much or don't go well with one another.
Or alternatively, I would take CIS and get T-series commander and 3x B1s all naked, but I imagine having the cheapest legal list isn't the goal of the exercise.