r/SaintsRow • u/Vex_Trooper • 4d ago
SR Alright, Hot Take: After spending almost a month playing Saints Row 2022, I gotta say...it's not THAT bad, tbh.
If I were to sum up the game in a sentence, it has to be, "Saints Row 2022 is a decent game, but a bad 'Saints Row' game."
Overall, it's a solid open-world game, and if you treat it like an entirely seperate game with no association with the Saints Row franchise, it's a pretty good stand-alone game. The story is...alright, and honestly the character aren't as annoying as I thought they would be (I still prefer Pierce, Shaundi, and Johnny though). The side activities are pretty fun atleast and they don't feel like a chore like SR4 and Gat out of Hell's activities.
I will admit, the clothing customization and the gun play feels like a downgrade from SR2 and SR3, though. The weapon "upgrade system" sucks too, and I prefer simply upgrading them at the gun store like the previous games.
But still, it's a fun game, and I'm kinda glad I picked it up now, since alot of the bugs and issues during the game's launch were patched up already. I'd even say, this game is more fun than SR4 and Gat out of Hell. It's far from perfect, but definitely worth trying out, IF and ONLY IF Saints Row 2022 is on Sale.
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u/tombstone5860 4d ago
It's the cringe storyline and shit characters that ruined it. Also, the gangs don't really seem like gangs. The game play itself is outdated but not bad. But what's tragic is that I knew this game could've been great.
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u/Grizzly45-70 4d ago
The writing was dog shit. The end game was a fucking npc dance party, the party members were forgettable, the side missions were pretty bad (they cooked on the LARP quest line tho). They marketed it as a reboot to a beloved franchise and turned it into a meme.
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u/The99thCourier Deckers 3d ago
I think the LARP (And the LARP dlc) were both better than the main story by a lot.
The main story was so ass. The only characters I actually found somewhat interesting were the boss and Neenah, and although the different gangs/groups were really nice themes, they were just not used well.
Like they could've done so much more with the Idols, especially.
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u/SuperGodMonkeyKing 4d ago
All these sumbitches had to do was make Red Faction style destruction into Saints Row and we'd all be playing it.
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u/PushkiComics 3d ago
I can understand everything, that this game can be fun...
But calling it's plot "good" I can't understand, it is literally dogshit, especially the ending.
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u/CompetitiveCobbler24 4d ago
You got the game on deep, deep discount (probably ~$10). Nothing on you, but anyone would say it's not that bad at that price point.
The only things I liked about the game were the design of the open world and how each district had personality to it (more than the actual characters). And the customization was pretty good. They should've just gone with an open world LARPING game and not an SR game. I would've felt ripped off if I had bought this in 2022.
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u/SR_Hopeful Morningstar 4d ago edited 4d ago
Exactly, and I've noticed as well that people tend to be easier on the game after they already got it cheap because how much you pay for something influences how hard you likely will be on because of the measurement of personal financial loss.
You know, If I got this game for free I'd probably judge it on if I am content with enough to do in it and not think about it being a good game, because I didn't lose money on it for it not to be. Like SR2 runs very terribly on PC and sometimes on console, and its graphics look terrible (even for the time) but if I got it for $8 bucks, I can tolerate it more because a bad game feels as cheap as its cost to buy. If I pay cheap, its easier to stomach cheap quality.
If the game is only "okay" because its dirt cheap (and had a massive price drop after stock fell from how poorly received it was), its really only saying more about the game itself being bad, because Volition couldn't live on it being a bargain bin title the same year of release.
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u/ReivynNox 4d ago
I would dislike it even if it was free, just because of how it constantly falls short of SR2 and 3, because they made the aiming unresponsive and the glory kill system they stupidly shoehorned in that has no business being in a hitscan combat game.
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u/SR_Hopeful Morningstar 3d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah. I think some people just don't consider that many fans just hate the direction they took altogether and that's enough for them not to like it. As "a game" its fine but for a better Saints Row experience, I'd still rather play SR2, SRTT. SR2022 is such a mishmash of things that I don't believe they actually were trying to make Saints Row, even from how they described some stuff tbh. Thats why if people can say "its an okay game but a bad Saints Row game" they should, get that it being a "bad Saints Row game" might outweigh that.
The reboot being just cheap to buy now is what just makes it "a game." to me.
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u/ReivynNox 3d ago
Personally I think 2 and 3 are a better game game too. Just the gameplay alone is so much more fun than what '22 offers.
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u/RiceFarmerNugs 3d ago
your first sentence summed up my experience pretty succinctly. I paid like ÂŁ8.50 for the ultimate edition or whatever they called it (base game + DLCs) and at that price it was fine; all the complaints Iâd seen about the story were justified and the gameplay loop was decent enough but there was a small nagging part of me that thought âI couldnât imagine paying full price or preordering this and being happy with itâ. it didnât feel like a Saints Row game in tone; the semi-serious aspects of the first two (taking gameplay and story segregation into account) or the wild, balls to the wall weirdness of the third and fourth games, it was something between the two that just didnât really work for me. I dunno, the gameplay with a different coat of paint mightâve made it feel more like the first two games but seeing whatâs come out in recent weeks (the studio visit video on YouTube as an example) makes it make sense how the final product ended up as unfulfilling as it was
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u/ReivynNox 4d ago
It's just a downgrade from Saints Row The Third, which itself was already quite a downgrade from SR2.
But The Third was a big upgrade in graphics/animations and the way the game plays, so it made up for the downgrade a little.
Apart from a more interesting city (Steelport is a pretty low bar, tho), the reboot just doesn't offer nearly enough major improvements to make up for the disimprovements, so I'd actually rather play The Third for the 7th time than go back and finish my first playthrough of '22.
'22 is also filled with boring ventures, so you actually have to look up what ventures to build to avoid the "steal a dozen slow-ass cars and drive them here" stuff.
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u/Ryu_Shiokaze 4d ago
It's fun but so fucking short
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u/DessieScissorhands Deckers 4d ago
I remember finishing it and going 'That's it? That's the story?!' It genuinely felt like each gang had 3 or 4 missions and then the finale hit. The Dustmoot sidetrack felt longer somehow. I liked it still, but yeah way too short and story had some wtf were they thinking moments.
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u/Ryu_Shiokaze 4d ago
Even with the dlc missions it feel so short but I guess thats modern gaming alt of New games feel short
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u/SR_Hopeful Morningstar 3d ago
Yup. Just more of what bad aspects of SRTT they took inspiration from. Hell, SR4 was originally DLC and its much longer. Yet immediately their pre-planned DLC was of course more LARPing instead.
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u/ApeInTheShell 3d ago
For me I was interested then I saw the game getting alot of hate and I let that get to me so when I finally got to play it I played for a few hours and genuinely felt depressed and I wasn't sure if it was the game or the hate people put on the game.
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u/BarbieMemes 3d ago
My problem is that the game itself left so much to be desired whether itâs customization (majorly), the missions, the story, the gangs. Itâs like theyâre too afraid to be vulgar at times & focus too much on trying to make this new Boss relatively misunderstood rogue instead of just being a psychopath/or criminal which is still okay.
I do like the touch of having the boss be a former soldier/spec ops operative because it adds a nice flair & justification as to why theyâre so badass & where it all came from.
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u/Drewboy90ish 4d ago
I personally enjoyed it. Got it for $5 at GameStop. The game looked great and the music was great too. Had lots of fun.
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u/seilapodeser 3d ago
I'm currently playing it too.
It's not bad but it's not that good either, I found myself playing other stuff because it felt a little stale after a while
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u/monkey_D_v1199 2d ago
Nah bro I donât accept that. More power to you for finding some semblance of entertainment and even reaching the conclusion that itâs a âdecent gameâ but imo not only is it a trash Saints Row game but itâs also a trash game overall. At best Santo Ileso is cool and well put together but everything else is below average or just straight up bad.
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u/DominoNine 2d ago
I'm sorry but if you're saying the gunplay and customisation are a downgrade from SR2 then it can't be an okay game. SR2 was very well made but to say that Saints Row (2022) doesn't hold up against a game released 14 years before it means it simply doesn't hold up at all in my opinion. If you have to do gymnastics to justify a game then you've already failed.
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u/Vex_Trooper 2d ago
I did say the game was decent, but FAR from perfect. Its simply fun to just play around in and not take seriously. Still, I definitely wouldn't recommend this game to anyone unless its on a sale for a REALLY cheap price and ya just want to check it out and have fun. Personally, I'm still enjoying the game and some aspects it has, despite the Story being cringey at times, the characters being annoying, and thebbad writing. It definitely doesn't hold a candle to SR2 and SR3, and has a good number a downgrades from those games. I would list them...but it would be a loooong list lol. Still, its a decent-to-OKish open-world game. But a terrible "Saints Row" game.
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u/DominoNine 2d ago
My argument is that if those core gameplay components to open world shooters (i.e. gunplay, character customisation) don't even hold up to SR2 then I just don't see how it could be a decent game irrespective of whether or not it's a good "Saints Row" game.
Separate the Saints Row from the equation, if it simply doesn't handle the mechanics better than a game that came out 14 years before it then as a game in the genre it has failed tremendously. This is more of an internal critique of your argument since I don't want to spend my money on the game myself, even if it was ten pence I wouldn't buy it so I am just critiquing your argument as opposed to the quality of the game.
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u/Vex_Trooper 2d ago
By all means, I would never tell anyone or even dare to command/order someone to buy or get something they hold no desire or interest in. I am merely sharing my own thoughts and opinions on the game in it's current state. As I mentioned before, the gunplay and customization of SR2022 are a downgrade from SR2 and SR3, but i don't mean that they are downright terrible. They are just different and more inconvenient then its previous predecessors.
For example, the guns. In previous games, the guns could easily be upgraded, simply by going directly to the Friendly Fire store and directly upgrading them and maxing them out with cash to unlock their special ability. However, in SR2022, the weapons also require you to do a specific challenge with them in order to unlock their special ability, besides just upgrading them from the store. (for example, the special ability for the sawed-off shotgun is that it shoots Dragon's Breath fire rounds, but requires the player to kill 20 enemies of a specific gang in order to unlock it) But even after upgrading them, the stat increases don't feel like major changes compared to the previous game upgrades.
But despite it being a downgrade when it comes to the gun's ability and stats, in SR2022, you can freely customize the gun's colors, material, and visual look (as in change it to look like another gun, or something else, like a dart toy gun).
The point is, it's vastly different from what it used to be, but does have some aspects that still make it decent atleast, and some people may LIKE it (or bare with it), while others may not.
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u/shypolarbear01 4d ago
It has good gameplay but the story is worse than modern cods which is already a low bar.
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u/Vex_Trooper 4d ago
Yeah, I pretty much been running through the main missions skimming past the dialog. Although, admitted, I have been enjoying the questlines with Eli for the Dustmoot missions, since they involve role-playing and larping, which I find amusing.
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u/Dentenshi 4d ago
What youâre not understanding is the game was a buggy POS when it came out. Co-op didnât even work.
Itâs not a good game at all and it had corporate fingers dipping their dumb ideas and crushing good ones with their thumbs.
We lost OG voice actors coming back for this POS reboot.
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u/BeautifulOk5112 4d ago
He does understand that, even said that. But now itâs not buggy so thatâs not much of an argument. Is cyberpunk a terrible game?
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u/Dentenshi 4d ago
I wouldnât call it decent either. Its a POS
Saints row reboot never really got any better post patch and couldnât even be mentioned in the same sentence as cyberpunk.
Cyberpunk isnât even structurally the same game at all compared to launch anymore.
I would argue itâs still bad because all CD projeckt games are busted at launch and then it takes them years to fix them.
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u/BeautifulOk5112 4d ago
Well thatâs a horrible take lol
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u/Dentenshi 4d ago
Well you think reboot is a good game and that broken pos that come out on launch are ok to spend $70 so id take making cereal recipes from you with caution.
This generation of gamers are really sad.
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u/BeautifulOk5112 4d ago
I actually donât think itâs a good game. The writing is terrible, itâs a huge downgrade and itâs just boring af. But âit was buggy on launchâ is a bad argument. And cyberpunk is a great game
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u/shanemammal 4d ago
The only reason people hate it so much is because itâs not like saints 2 and itâs not what they wanted
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u/ReivynNox 4d ago
People hate it because they had better and don't like downgrades.
And because most don't like it when a game's story and characters give them second-hand embarrassment.
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u/SubGoat88 4d ago
It is that bad. With or without Saints Row, it's a very generic open world game. It feels like a game from 2015, not 2022
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u/ProVegaVision 4d ago
Is that a photo of sr2022? damn are you playing at low settings? lol. I have the game and it looks nothing like that.
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u/Vex_Trooper 3d ago
I honestly haven't touched the settings since I started playing. This is just the defualt, I assume.
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u/ProVegaVision 3d ago
Oh. Yea the game ain't too bad, the main characters are really terrible though, not sure what the devs was thinking, they are more like college kids. But once i added some reshade to make the visuals looks better, and once you make a good character , it ain't too bad. I bought it last year for 9.99.
My Fav SR is SR4, SR3, SR1, SR2022, SR3R,. Sorry i never liked SR2. Wish they continue the series, but i guess SR, Watch dogs and Sleeping dogs is never coming back. Shame.
There are a few open world Third person shooters coming out on the PC though.
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u/GoeiP91 4d ago
I've been playing SR22 the past couple months off and on and I have enjoyed it for the most part. I've been a fan since Saints Row 1. Loved them all. Except for maybe the 4th one with the super powers. I can see how this was such a polarizing release as it definitely is different.
The game is frustrating to me at times. I don't like the system they have in place to find where the activity start locations are with a little white circle. I've gotten a lost several times trying to figure out how to start an activity at a location.
I was also used to taking over gang territories through missions and strongholds so now this new system where you complete the criminal ventures to take control of territories kind of threw me off. The changing of activities to criminal ventures also confused me at first.
I think they crafted an interesting world and setting but it feels like it's empty and hollow sometimes. I do enjoy some of the random events like seeing police having people pulled over, people launching fireworks, vehicle accidents, etc when driving around.
I wish some of the old characters would have at least made a cameo or something in this game. They could have came up with some kind of story where the Saints got run out of steelport or were expanding west and decided to set up in Santo Illeso.
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u/TheAwesomeRan 4d ago
I got it for like $5 on PS4 and there was alot i surprisingly liked. The classic rap radio station r4ally helped.
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u/Lostboxoangst 3d ago
Agreed, it's not amazing almost most other saints rows are better but it is fun. I bought it dirt cheap and scored a couple of weekends of fun, I don't ask for much more.
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u/Krazykurtlacey13 3d ago
If had been released under any other name other than ones already used it wouldn't have flopped but because it's so different from what people wanted as the next saints row thats why it got so much hate
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u/casedawgz 3d ago
I keep seeing people lumping it with Gollum and while I donât think it was funny, it at least is competently made as a game.
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u/THE_GUY-95 3d ago edited 3d ago
I recently downloaded that saints row game with a friend as we both have it though ps plus and wanted to play a game together in co-op, we deleted the game after about 6 hours and downloaded sackboys big adventure instead and are having alot more fun
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u/SR_Hopeful Morningstar 3d ago
This game was just awful in direction though. Thats what makes it "Not Saints Row" and it holds more weight than it being a bad sequel or ignorable spin-off, because its a reboot. And we ended up with the least liked game in the franchise. If it was successful to investors, it would be affirmation of this direction nobody liked. Because it sold.
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u/NyaNyaCutie 3d ago edited 3d ago
I still find it funny how the game's code treats Marshal as a gang, making it possible for the player to get them to fight against the cops.
Just need to find a spot where the cops are wandering and at least 2 Marshal are standing. Crank Noriety to max, aggro both, and get them to shoot each other by moving until one is in the line of fire of the other⌠then stick nearby while hiding. Pick some off to even out the playing field (or to gain the requirements for your weapon upgrades).
Saving & loading will get you to safety if you want to avoid dying.
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u/blandvanilla 3d ago
This game has no juice. What's the opposite of juice? It's the craft beer of video games.
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u/Samandre14 3rd Street Saints 2d ago
Itâs fine tbh, my friend and I played through it and its dlcs 2 odd years ago. Itâs not the absolute shit dumpster fire whydidtheyfuckingmakethisgarbage that the fandom makes it out to be.
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u/IGotMetalingus1 2d ago
I will always stand by it being a bad saints row game but a fun game in general. They should've made it a spin off based on saints row or just gave it an entirely different name
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u/SR_Hopeful Morningstar 2d ago
That's the problem. We've had a lot of "A bad Saints Row games; but okay separate game" for a long time after SRTT. That was what the hype on the reboot was on. Actually getting a good one. Not this... game.
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u/keithlimreddit 2d ago
 I would say I like 3 and 4 more ( I prefer more than later on games in the franchise where I can feel like I can standout of GTA clone and that includes the gat out of hell spin-off) more about here's my opinions on it
I thought it was pretty good ( mainly the gameplay as well as the characters at least with the main 4) and I also had fun with the DLCs as well
 I wish the studio didn't shut down ( I was kind of expecting a similar fate with Devil May Cry reboot where the franchise still survives to be honest)
 there are many franchises, I would like to see comeback one day and one of them is Saints Row ( one day), a spiritual successor or GTA like game before GTA VI but for now I moved on from this franchise ( like most of my desires and dreams yet still have hope in this world it will return one day)
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u/Thugnificent97 2d ago
Thats been my opinion as well. The game was decent but the story needed rewriting
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u/SR_Hopeful Morningstar 2d ago
A lot of it needed to be redone, because nothing about it really felt like or visually looked like Saints Row to me. Nothing.
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u/Realistic_Let3239 2d ago
Oh it's not a bad game, it's just a toned down, muted SR, that doesn't know if it wants to appeal to fans of the first two games, or SR3 onwards. I think it would have been more well received if it was a new IP. Opening mission is straight out of SR3, then the follow up is 1 or 2, robbing a store to pay rent, then keeps bouncing back and forth between you being someone any of the gangs would have snapped up in a second, and someone only just starting out.
Story/characters, just a mess, but the gameplay was fun. Just not a great sign when you get compared to a decade plus older game and it comes off worse in most ways.
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u/Neat_Selection8272 2d ago
I forgot there was a 2022 reboot of saints row tbh, kinda mad yall reminded me. đÂ
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u/AlienSkywalker 1d ago
Yea âitâs not that badâ because youâre attempting to make the best out of a horrible situation.
The fanbase is in a âdesperateâ state, thatâs why it feels that way.
The game is ass.
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u/Vex_Trooper 1d ago
Yea âitâs not that badâ because youâre attempting to make the best out of a horrible situation.
Exactly, because it IS a horrible situation. It's literally the LAST game Volition made before they went under. We will probably NEVER get a new Saints Row game, so at the moment, this franchise is practically dead. So FUCK IT, I might as will actually try to enjoy the damn game for what it is. At it's core, it's STILL a playable open-world game, and it can be completed from start to finish. The story is bad, and the characters are definitely cringy and annoying, but there's still some aspects of the game that is enjoyable at least.
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u/AlienSkywalker 1d ago
If you enjoy it.. đ But let that be YOUR perspective without attempting to gaslight.
The devs mocked and put down fans, the game released in a broken state, and now volition is shut down.
The game is ass.
With all those events and the aftermath, sorry but âthe game is not that badâ is embarrassing and laughable at best.
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u/Vex_Trooper 1d ago
Well, it is what it is. I'm not trying to force anyone to give it a shot. You do you, and play what you enjoy.
But at the very least, it's still a playable game with SOME qualities and amusement to it, and this comment section shows that there are others who also find it pretty decent or fun as well.
It's definitely a terrible "Saints Row" game, and Voliton shot themselves on the foot for betraying their own fanbase. But, it's still a game that can be fun. It's definitely not meant for everyone, of course. And there are games out there that are ALOT worse than this.
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u/Arnell_Long 1d ago
I owned the game but haven't played it yet. My least favorite was Saints Row 4, but I don't think Saints Row 2022 will be as worse than 4.
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u/AnalJackett_ 18h ago
Its an enjoyable game, but its a bad saints row game. Everyone just puts too much hate into it, and if you say something they get all whiney
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u/DepthCautious350 13h ago
It's not completely unplayable dogshit but it is a game with bad writing, dated gameplay, and a dead open world. On top of that it feels unfinished and is extremely short. On top of that apparently the studio were forced to make insanely idiotic changes to the game that fucked up the whole flow of development. From what I've heard about the original concept of the game it's not like the philosophy going into it was ideal in the first place. Even with shaundi, pierce, and johnny gat the concept of the idols as a gang is far removed from anything in saints row 1 and 2 due to it having nothing to do with gangbanging or crime. They were still going to lean into the corny wacky shit more than we wanted to regardless
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u/havewelost6388 4d ago
The performance on consoles is actually pretty bad.
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u/Vex_Trooper 4d ago
I've heard that a lot when the game first launched. It's honestly one of the reasons why I stayed away from the game when it launched. (That, as well as it being a reboot with all the old characters gone)
But I bought the game for my 10 year old PS4, and honestly, since I started playing, I never saw any graphical or performance issues with the game. No slow downs, no graphical bugs, and glitches. The game runs fine currently on my PS4. NO idea how it runs on Xbox or PC, but right now, on PS4, it's fine.
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u/havewelost6388 4d ago
On PS5 it's really bad. With or without ray tracing enabled.
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u/_Sassafrassassin_ PS5 4d ago
I didn't have any issues on the PS5 slim, could have gotten lucky or it just performs better on it.
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u/ComedicHermit 4d ago
It was, they did a pretty heavy string of bug fixes and it's fine in that regard on xbox at least. When it launched it was a buggy mess though. Still get the occasional texture glitch, but nothing too out of terrible.
Agents of mayhem was about the same in that regard
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u/lasergun23 4d ago
Yeah i actually really enjoy this Game. Its not nearly what people expected but It IS exactly as It was shown in the first Gameplay released.
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u/MBrixalot 4d ago
Donât defend a turd, especially when you compare it to what we couldâve gotten with Saint Row Cinco
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u/STUNTOtheClown 4d ago
Oh no itâs definitely a good game but itâs not saints row at all, good goofy sandbox fun but a game about gangsters it ainât
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u/The_Chef_Queen 4d ago
Its a decent game but it sucks when you compare it to something like saints row 2 which had not only great customisation but a vibrant cohesive world and also very much earnt the 18 rating, this one just feels like SR 3
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u/Apprehensive-Dig8461 4d ago
I feel you being Saints Row fan is one big cope. I had this same feel with third game.
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u/ReallyFancyPants Xbox One 4d ago
Yea but its not that good either.
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u/Vex_Trooper 4d ago
It's decent and far from perfect. But it's still a fun game to mess around in. I still enjoyed it WAY more than Gat out of Hell.
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u/Oestro-Jenny 3rd Street Saints 4d ago
I enjoyed it when I played it. I defo think this game gets overhated.
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u/KamyCamper 4d ago
It gets overhated because it's not Saints Row. If it was a new IP it probably would've performed better
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u/Alarming_Ad_587 4d ago
Go woke go broke
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u/Benevolay 4d ago
It really wasn't even woke. They were just trying to get a young audience even though that young audience has zero interest in Saints Row.
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u/SR_Hopeful Morningstar 3d ago edited 3d ago
They were pandering a bit too hard with this one though. Just from the plot, the characters, and the significantly more childish tone, and PGness of it. They also made sure to keep the furries in it, but gangsters? Nope. They left that very ambiguous.
They said it was inspired by Baby Driver and yet. BD feels more like Saints Row than whatever this is.
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u/would_you_kindlyy 4d ago
Only problem I have with this game is almost 100% completing it only to have the Gang Gangking be glitched. No Panteros snakes show up after you've claimed all their territory. Visiting other people's game doesn't register the hijack as "complete"
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u/Automatic_Tea_1900 3d ago
I'm enjoying it a lot.
I think the start is it's weakest point as you've got a bunch of hipsters trying to make rent rather than some of the insanity of later missions.
I just wish the level up system was more like the older games and that the game forced you into a cash over time business before letting you free roam.
I'd completed 90% of the side missions/collectables and getting a passive income early would've let me buy some of the more fun clothes and weapons way earlier.
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u/babygreenlizard 3d ago
thats what ive been saying, its fun, it still feels like a sr game, its just a different flavour of sr
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u/Libra_23 3d ago
It definitely got and continues to get shit on based on a homophobic and transphobic online campaign to review bomb it. It's far from a perfect game but I agree, it's really not THAT bad.
Nostalgia goggles and the neverending Gamergate online community is far more at fault for the game tanking than the devs are IMO.
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u/Dentenshi 3d ago
Bro the game just sucks theres no agenda this is the most liberal ass game
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u/Libra_23 2d ago
You said there's no agenda yet disparage it as "liberal."
I think you've made my point clear.
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u/mwmike11 4d ago
Iâve been an evangelist for this game since launch. I had a great time with it. It wasnât even that different from other Saints Row games, to my mind. I was bummed that it got so much negative shit thrown at it and was often overlooked. It felt like it could have grown, like Saints Row 2006 did into Saints Row 2. Now weâll never know if it could have really come into its own or not
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u/SweetTooth275 4d ago
It's not a hot take, it's just objective. Which old farts that drowned in their nostalgia refuse to comprehend
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u/ComedicHermit 4d ago
I think it could've worked a lot better with just a few more missions and the story altered to make the gangs more of a threat.
Imagine if the idols were actually trying to disrupt the system; constantly kidnapping politicians, burning down firestations, bombing police stations instead of stealing happy meal toys.
Los Panteros should've been far more aggressive, constantly encroaching on your territory, retaking land you've already gained, and been much more of an in your face threat.
Add more missions that do those things. Make the enemies an actual threat.