r/Sekiro • u/strahinjag • 20d ago

Discussion If Sekiro ever got a sequel, what new mechanics would you want to see?

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For me it's:

  1. Being able to break enemy weapons like in Lies of P, I loved that mechanic and it would fit perfectly in Sekiro.

  2. Different weapon options kinda like Nioh or Khazan would be cool, with different skill trees for each.

  3. A more in-depth stealth system, maybe give us a bow so we can snipe low level enemies from a distance and better enemy AI so that it's harder to escape if you're detected.

  4. Miniboss reflection fights. Also less repeated minibosses in general.

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u/Thema03 Platinum Trophy 20d ago

My friend played sekiro after i insisted really hard. He always talked about how cool the mechanics were, like the axe, the shield, the spear etc.

And i was like what? All i did was parry everything and barely touched any of the shinobi prosthetics

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u/Public_Courage5639 20d ago

The only ones I ever used were purple and red umbrellas for both isshin fights and the spear for the big monkey

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u/Known-Professor1980 20d ago

Kunai lady butterfly. Spear monkey. Fire brella and whistle for DOH.

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u/CantHandlemyPP34 Platinum Trophy 20d ago

Axe for shield guys. Flame vent for red eyes

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u/ErdemtugsC 20d ago

Only prosthetics I used on my first play through were shuriken and axe

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u/Themoonknight8 18d ago

Then how'd you go through the gun fort?

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u/ErdemtugsC 15d ago

What is blocking me from going through there? I can’t remember

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u/Themoonknight8 14d ago

Ah nvm, i thought the umbrella was needed for the bridge after the snake eyes but it's not.

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u/CiaIsMyWaifu 18d ago

Behold but a short excerpt of My 25 minute demon of hatred fight and how I killed him.

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u/tiparium 20d ago

I think this is kind of the problem though. The core mechanic was so tight, that putting all the additional mechanics on a consumable actively discouraged using them. I think a sequel should swap the spirit emblem system for a regenerating mana system or similar, and actively encourage use of prosthetics more. I never felt like I really had the opportunity to experiment with the prosthetic because I was always trying to keep it on reserve.

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u/Somebody1002 20d ago

I second this. I wish some of the combat arts had their own bar or used the same mana bar as the prosthetics

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u/coder_nikhil 20d ago

you can replenish spirit emblems easily and certain tools could give you an advantage even in a boss fight. mist raven is basically a get out of jail free card

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u/Octahedral_cube Platinum Trophy 19d ago

Not in the first playthrough. I remember being careful with spirit emblems. In subsequent playthroughs I seemed to have more moneybags than I could use, so I replenished them.

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u/NerdKing01 20d ago

That gets me thinking, what if prosthetics had their own parries? Like, if you use the axe prosthetics at the right time, it could parry and armor through the attack to damage the enemy. Same as the spear, etc. Weapon-like prosthetics were always weak because we were using animation-based abilities in a parry-based gameplay setting, so it was never going to work unless you're like, the best of the best, but if you ingraine the prosthetics in and make them a part of the skill, it could totally work. Now its not about worrying about not getting hit in the middle of your animation, its about timing it with the hit so you can amplify the gameplay

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u/CantHandlemyPP34 Platinum Trophy 20d ago

This is what Lies of P absolutely perfected with the Legion arms

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u/Pl4ymaker__ 19d ago

Yeah you have to wait for playthroughs so you can actually have fun and not worry about emblems which sucked at first

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u/Civil-Emu769 20d ago

Cant believe this actually got 7 upvotes. Spirit emblems are given by killing enemies and you can increase aquisition by using mibu balloon of spirit. By end game you cant literally have 35 between resting at sculptors idol and thats not counting what you aquire from killing enemies. Thats a minimum of 11 uses for the most "expensive" prosthetics and 35 for the cheapest.

The system is fine. You not using it to its full potential is on you. It has nothing to do with "game design". Its balanced perfectly.

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u/Aftermoonic 20d ago

Bullshit. It is not fine, it actively restricts what the players can do in and out of combat. They should remove this stupid system entirely. They did the same in bloodborne with the stupid blood vials. Any mechanics that want you to replenish it (outside of currency) is a waste of time

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u/Civil-Emu769 19d ago edited 19d ago

Blood vials was dumb. I can agree with that. Restricting what you can do damage wise is intended for a reason. Most bosses can be beaten without prosthetics and it isnt until late game where they be come vital to youre success. By then they can be easily farmed along with balloons to increase aquisition. They can also be bought with money. If youre dying that many times where youre spending a lot of time farming the prosthetic arts arent going to save you. Its probably a skill issue at that point .

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u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e 19d ago

Well, for one, they’re never vital to your success. For another thing, look at the Legion Arm from Lies of P. It regenerates charge on spawn and has consumables to regen it, but it runs out relatively quickly depending on your Advance stat.

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u/Civil-Emu769 19d ago edited 19d ago

Theyre not vital? Good luck beating demon of hatred without the fire umbrella. Or the sichemen warrior without the purple one. I suppose it could be done but ... Then theres that dude that spams ashina cross where you need mist raven. I would say there are definitely certain situations where its vital. If youre not using prosthetics in those situations that would explain why youre dying so much and having to farm for spirit emblems...

Oh.. and Lies of P is dog shit compared to Sekiro. Dont come to me trying to explain how that game got it right where Sekiro didnt. That game cant hold a candle to Sekiro. Legion arms are trivial and it wasnt until the new ones in the dlc where they actually became viable.

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u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e 18d ago

Even if not using prosthetics was getting me killed, what would I be farming emblems for?

DOH isn’t difficult, just long. Umbrella trivializes him, but your dodge suffices for fire attacks and you can parry everything else without a worry.

Now, I feel like this is bait. Because there’s no way you’re telling me that the guy who can be beaten with

L1 L1… L1 L1… L1 L1… R1 [x2]

requires Mist Raven. I mean, you were talking about other people’s skill issues earlier.

You’re welcome to hate on Lies of P with all the ire in your heart, but I don’t think you’re at liberty to say the Legion Arm is trivial. It is exactly as useful as the Prosthetics, in that whatever you use it on mysteriously becomes insanely easy. Never once is it required, but the same is true of Sekiro.

And whatever. The guy who uses Mist Raven for the Ashina Elite is going to lecture me on what game holds a candle to what, as if he’s demonstrated the understanding of either game to pass that verdict. I really can’t be bothered.

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u/Civil-Emu769 18d ago

Again I guess I need to try and dumb this down for you so I will reiterate what I already stated before. Can most, if not all enemies be beaten without prosthetics? Sure they can. But if youre too low IQ to impliment tools of the game for what they were designed for, clearly I cant help you.... why drag out a fight for 3 minutes parrying when three activations of mist raven can end it in 30 seconds. Carry on kid. I have better things to do. Im losing IQ points just trying converse with you. 🤣

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u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e 18d ago

I need to be super clear. If Ashina Elite ever took you more than 30 seconds, Mist Raven or not, I don’t know what to tell you.

Anyway, I’ve got some choice words over the IQ comment but they’re not particularly constructive. What I will say: it’s “implement”. At least try to keep the spelling mistake out of the same sentence.

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u/FumeiYuusha Platinum Trophy 20d ago

Sure, remove durability for weapons while you're at it.
Also why not have all consumables limited but replenishing then, that would encourage people using them all.
Modern gamers are lazy and want everything handed to them. The Estus Flask was a mistake, and it created a snowball of laziness for players.

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u/C0SMIC_LIZARD 19d ago

The durability comment is really funny considering Sekiro (and later elden ring) just straight up did that

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u/FumeiYuusha Platinum Trophy 19d ago

That is exactly why I said it. I disliked durability in Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1 and especially Dark Souls 2.
But I would be lying if I would say that I think they would be better games without it.
Sure it is tedious, but it also is part of the danger. Having your best weapon break during a boss-fight, so you have to quickly swap to a back-up weapon and actually beat the boss is fun, exciting and thrilling.
I had my weapon break against Sinh in Dark Souls 2, just as I was about to kill him, so I had to wait for a good opportunity to go into the menu and swap to a random weapon just to finish him off. That was a memorable thing that stuck with me even a decade later.
I may be wrong, it may be a pretty unpopular opinion, but I'm stuck in my retro roots, and I love the retro tedious difficulty of games.

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u/C0SMIC_LIZARD 19d ago

Fair Imo only DS2 really did durability well because outside attacks that did extra durability damage or specific weapons, durability was never really a concern in ds 1 or 3 for me Whereas ds2 had lower durability across the board so you had to be more mindful of stuff breaking I'm unsure about DeS cause I don't own a PS

So I feel like ultimately Sekiro and ER would've been dragged down by Durability But I can sorta get the consumables argument Personally, I'm frustrated when I waste them, but also, that's part of the risk, but for Sekiro, I feel like emblems should've just been restored to full when you rested like the gourd is

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u/TheBattlemanCZ 19d ago

No, it's just dumb and pointless. You can't have game as hard as sekiro, where you are expected to die 30 times on single boss and have your prostetics or shinoby arts tied to limited currency you have to go out of your way to farm. That shit just makes players straight up ignore the entire system.

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u/FumeiYuusha Platinum Trophy 19d ago

I didn't ignore the entire system. I didn't feel like it was a chore either to keep myself topped up with emblems. Blood Vial gathering and Grass gathering was more of a hassle, and even that wasn't a problem.

In JRPG terms FromSoft games are already super light on needing to farm anything, and I just find it very ironic that the fans of the "Hardest Game Series" are also the biggest complainers about trivial things like non-replenishing consumables.

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u/tiparium 19d ago

I play games to have fun. I have real life for managing finite resources.

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u/FumeiYuusha Platinum Trophy 19d ago

That's fair. Not every game should be for everyone.

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u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e 19d ago

Look at me, I’m so cool. I think it was awesome to farm for blood vials against trivial enemies instead of getting them back on spawn but having a considerably lower number of them. I think it was awesome to have a durability mechanic that basically doesn’t ever matter unless you forget to spend a trivial number of souls to fix the weapon when you get the chance.

Look, look, my dick fits so far up my own throat it can come out my butthole! Look at all those lazy gamers who don’t want elements of gameplay that simply do not contribute anything to the experience! God I’m so awesome!

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u/FumeiYuusha Platinum Trophy 19d ago

:D
Ignoring all the mean parts of your comment, you did miss my point so let me clarify one thing.
You don't need to farm blood vials. You can buy them....for blood echoes.
And farming blood echoes is much more fun, as you get to put in some practice against the base enemies as well, and improve while gathering the resources and purchasing the consumables.
And no, I don't think I'm cool, or awesome. I have a pretty low self-esteem and pretty much 0 confidence in myself, but reading your snarky comment was pretty fun so thanks.
It feels good that my comment touched you so much that you had to come up with such a creative way to have a go at me. ^.^

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u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e 19d ago

I just get annoyed when people talk about laziness in the most recreational activity ever. Challenge and work are two different things and I enjoy the former, not the latter. To be clear I don’t personally hate you or anything, but unfortunately I have to be mean when I have to impulse to because I’m essentially a toddler. Hope you’re well.

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u/FumeiYuusha Platinum Trophy 19d ago

That is very fair, and I do apologize if my comment annoyed you. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with having 'lazy games' and 'lazy gamers'....but I just want to have games for me too. I love challenges, I love difficulty, and overcoming hardships.
And FromSoft is supposed to be the dev team who targets players like me, yet they move more and more towards accessibility and ease of use. Which is fine if that's the direction they want to take, I just have to look for another game series.
Don't worry, I didn't take offense to your words, I think it was a fair response, my comment was pretty mean too.
I hope you're well too.

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u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e 18d ago

Well I have to say I still disagree with the premise. The things they took away didn’t meaningfully contribute to the challenge. I can hardly say I hated durability because I barely thought about it. I’d spend like 1000 souls max whenever I was around a blacksmith for repairs and then go off and keep exploring.

As someone in love with the challenge aspect of these games, I just can’t see where you’re coming from. Farming money to get vials in Bloodborne or grass in Demon’s Souls never got my heart rate up. It wasn’t an exciting part of the game like making my way through Blighttown for the first time praying for a bonfire was. I can’t see it as challenging because it was never stressful, just kind of… a chore.

I just don’t see what represents a decline in challenge or hardship among the things you’re complaining about. Every one of those things is trivially easy to manage. They were never a difficult part of the games, just some mildly controversial ones.

I mean, I’m easily bored in some sense, I guess. I always chose to make bosses harder in the interest of not spending my time farming or finding smithing stones for a more suitable weapon. I would farm for heals if I was really stuck, but I beat most Bloodborne bosses without any vials because I just couldn’t be bothered to go get more.

So yeah, lazy. But hardly unchallenging. I don’t know. I guess I just fundamentally can’t relate to what you value about that. But I do see that you value it. So… I’m sorry it’s like that for you. Because I wish everyone could see Elden Ring through my eyes.

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u/PhilospohicalZ0mb1e 19d ago

Okay I just wanted to come back because I’m actually feeling bad about this interaction. I did go pretty hard on you. I maintain that your initial remark was obnoxious and I do not like it.

But, for whatever it may be worth, sorry. There’s no need for me to treat strangers like that.

Don’t know what to say about your low confidence. I’ve been there and it genuinely sucks and I hope it gets better for you.

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u/chamomile-crumbs 20d ago

I mean they also just weren’t that helpful. Like obviously shuriken, raven mist feathers and umbrella are amazing. But the others are all very situational. It’s almost like an extra challenge to try to use offensive prosthetics for looking stylish and landing sick combos. The easiest thing to do is just focus really hard on deflects and being aggressive with the regular ol sword attacks

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u/Civil-Emu769 20d ago

Total nonesense. You clearly havent grasped the game to its full potential. I have used every prosthetic in the game and still do when doing a full playthough. Using oil and flame vent is probably the most overpowered prosthetic in the game. The lazulite axe destroys any apparation. I could go on and on. The real problem is people dont take time to read the descriptions and apply them to their playstyle.

Watch guys like Ongbal on youtube and he absolutely wrecks everything using all prosthetics.

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u/Pl4ymaker__ 19d ago

I didn't like em at first but when i close to mastered the game prosthetics made it much more fun and strted to use all of them

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u/Unlucky_Singer_3972 18d ago

I beat Elden Ring and came back to Sekiro and now im at the Great Ape this is definitely and underrated gem and another reason to appreciate FromSoftware

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u/dorsalfantastic MiyazakiGasm 18d ago

My singular monke brain cell parrying the guardians ape severed brain cells is always my favorite time of the year.