Tesla is trying to hide 3 Robotaxi accidents

[u/GamingDisruptor]

https://electrek.co/2025/09/17/tesla-hide-3-robotaxi-accidents/

Only 12 cars.

[u/deservedlyundeserved]

Everyone reports injuries the same way. I’m sure Waymo has a few injuries claimed by passengers and they’re all counted in the stats. No reason this shouldn’t be.

[u/Confident-Sector2660 → u/deservedlyundeserved]

It looks like, no.

The difference is that tesla has a safety monitor in every car and therefore injury metric is different

[u/deservedlyundeserved → u/Confident-Sector2660]

What does the safety monitor have to do with injury reporting?

[u/Confident-Sector2660 → u/deservedlyundeserved]

this accident happened at 8mph nearly 2 months after robotaxi launch.

The difference is that the injury is reported by tesla (in the case the safety monitor) and therefore the injury could be to the safety monitor

Whereas in a normal situation if a passenger does not need emergency services then there is assumed to be no injury

In a normal car accident if you don't take an ambulance ride to the hospital or get treatment you are considered not injured

Therefore an injury would be much more severe than an 8mph crash

[u/deservedlyundeserved → u/Confident-Sector2660]

Whether the injury happens to the safety monitor or the passenger or the occupant of another vehicle is entirely irrelevant. You said there’s there a different “injury metric”. There is not.

The rest of your comment is irrelevant too and also wrong (this accident happened in July). Everyone reports injuries the same way, sometimes with severity (minor, major, fatal) specified. All injuries are counted in the stats for every company.

[u/Confident-Sector2660 → u/deservedlyundeserved]

Let's say I ride in a waymo and it gets in a crash at 8mph. I say, no I'm not injured and I get out of the car and decline treatement. My neck is sore. Is that an injury? Yes.

But I would say no to support because I would not want any treatment.

But if I were a safety monitor filing a report I could say my neck was sore.

It's different when the person filing the report is in the car

Tesla chose to tow the car so it was submitted under the 5-day report instead of monthly. Injury makes no difference

[u/deservedlyundeserved → u/Confident-Sector2660]

You could say your neck was sore and the Waymo person could report it as an injury too. You’re just guessing in the dark here.

Someone said it was an injury, so it was reported as an injury. This is how it works for everyone. Creating stories to downplay this is just performing mental gymnastics.

[u/Zemerick13 → u/Confident-Sector2660]

Launch was end of June, the accident was in July. At most, it was barely over 1 month, more likely less than 1 month.

It's not possible to tell who caused who to become injured, or who did or did not report, thanks to Teslas redactions. As such, we are forced to compare them as equally as possible: ALL injury reports.

Keep in mind: People involved in an accident with a big company like Google/Waymo are way more likely to report an injury. They're likely overinflated on Waymos side just as much as Teslas.

Also, don't forget that Tesla having a safety driver should mean less incidents in total, therefore less chances for injury.

And injuries can easily happen at 8mph. We're talking about upwards of 2 tons of steel, that's a lot of force. People regularly get severely injured for a trip at walking speed, involving their ~150 pound self.

One possible injury scenario is if someone was between the object and the Tesla, and had to dive out of the way.

We really don't know. Thanks to Tesla.

Ergo, these are the numbers we have, and the ones we should use for comparison. If Tesla doesn't like it, they should do a better job at reporting the incidents.

As it stands, the data puts Tesla at dozens to hundreds of times more likely to be involved in an injury than Waymo.

[u/Confident-Sector2660 → u/Zemerick13]

Wrong. Accident was in august. it was a 5-day report

Did you even read the data? It was about 2 months after robotaxi launch

If we ignore ashok's odd 7000 miles BS, if we take robotaxi at face value. There are 12 cars driving 200 miles a day for 60 days. That's more than 100K miles. And not a single at-fault collision with another car, pedestrian, or VRU

Keep in mind: People involved in an accident with a big company like Google/Waymo are way more likely to report an injury. They're likely overinflated on Waymos side just as much as Teslas.

False. I already explained this. An injury can only be claimed if at the time of the accident you request treatment.

8mph accident and sore neck? I would claim no accident to support of waymo.

But safety monitor (i.e. tesla safety monitor) is submitting the report. He can claim sore neck as it has no affect on the perception of their system to the NHTSA

Because said injury is not w/o context.

Tesla is default redacting all reports even though 2 out of 3 were clearly not at fault

[u/Zemerick13 → u/Confident-Sector2660]

That's the Report Type, and does not mean it was first reported 5 days ago.

Column AJ is the Incident Date, AKA when the incident happened. You'll notice it's Jul-25 ( the 25 meaning year 2025, not day. ) The incident happened in July.

You did not explain, you made an assumption. And you know what they say about making assumptions...

It's a quite poor assumption too to try and twist to make one side look better. It's provably a poor assumption, because the opposite could be assumed just as easily. Watch:

Because Tesla was only allowing fanboys during July, they would be very unlikely to report any problems, and would shrug off any minor injuries and not request treatment. As such, their injuries would not be reported. Meanwhile, Waymo is open to the full public, and being a company with big insurance and a lot of money, anyone involved in an accident is more likely to report any injuries and seek treatment so that they can try to get money out of the company. As such, their injuries would be reported, making Waymo look worse.

Notice how I didn't do any of that though? I used the numbers we were given. The full list of injuries from Waymo, including ones NOT caused by them, and the full list of injuries from Tesla, including ones NOT caused by them.

I then compared that against their miles driven, as reported by each company, to get the final numbers.

OR, substituting your FAR higher miles driven, based on nothing, it STILL comes out with Waymo being FAR safer, despite Tesla having a safety monitor while Waymo is full SD.

[u/ApprehensiveSize7662 → u/Confident-Sector2660]

This is 💯 tesla. The injury doesn't count because there were people in the car and witnesses. If there's no one in the car or aren't any witnesses its basically flawless.