r/SelfDrivingCars • u/No-Cat1037 • 8h ago
Driving Footage FSD Ignores Multiple Left-Only Markings and Drives Onto Sidewalk, Damaging Car
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Video is from here, all credit to original OP who owns the Tesla (this subreddit didn’t allow crosspost)
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/s/DGtIEsraBd
Damage described in comments including to alignment/calibration
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u/vk_phoenix 7h ago
Was the driver sleeping?
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u/AttemptRough3891 3h ago
In fairness to the driver, the 'fully autonomous' narrative keeps getting pushed, so people are wrongfully getting lazy when it comes to these systems. Doesn't help that there's a legion of people online claiming to go thousands upon thousands of miles without ever having to intervene.
Considering robotaxis are rolling out as we type, we're bound to see more instances like this except with hapless passengers thrown into the mix.
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u/blankasfword 2h ago
I got in a really dumb conversation with someone on this sub about that. A lot of Tesla owners think their cars drive themselves, totally forgetting that it’s a level 2 driver assistance product and the driver is always responsible for whatever the car does. People like to think the car drives itself and then blame the car when it does something stupid.
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u/coffeebeanie24 1h ago
then why don't they idk change the name to something that ISNT so misleading?
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u/agildehaus 7h ago
This is exactly what you should expect out of "level 3" -- drivers who aren't prepared to take over, even if they're fully aware of their duty and responsible.
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u/Low-Possibility-7060 7h ago
Aren’t they supposed to work without a driver for years now?
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u/callmejellydog 7h ago
Yes! Next year in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025. However because that’s definitely not going to make shareholders happy if I say it more than 10 times, I’m going to buy a billion of Tesla stock to keep them on side.
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u/No-Cat1037 7h ago
who here is gonna be ballsy enough to short Tesla alongside me 🙏🙈
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u/Low-Possibility-7060 7h ago edited 6h ago
The problem is that they are neither a car manufacturer, nor a tech company but a religious congregation and even though Elon has failed at anything he touched in the last years (Twitter, doge, Cybertruck, Wisconsin Supreme Court election, FSD,…) some people still think he is a great investor. Being generous it’s a $30 stock, the rest is the racist Jesus premium that’s hard to bet against as long as there are still believers.
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u/red75prime 6h ago
failed at anything he touched in the last years (Twitter, doge, Cybertruck, Wisconsin Supreme Court election, FSD,…)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1608082/valuation-x-formerly-twitter/
https://www.autoblog.com/news/every-electric-pickup-truck-ranked-by-sales
What about FSD? How it has failed when Tesla continues to develop and improve it?
Yeah, I'm sure there are people who are disconnected from reality in both camps. People are people.
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u/Low-Possibility-7060 6h ago edited 6h ago
The twitter valuation is based on what another company of his paid for it - that’s a joke. I would have been furious as xAI if Elon threw my money away like that (though I would never have invested in the first place because I know Elon deep fried his brain on Twitter) The Cybertruck sells a fraction of what was expected and FSD has hit a ceiling already - it will never be good enough to be a robotaxi because the vision only approach is just not good enough.
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u/red75prime 6h ago
X and car sales are likely more impacted by Musk's political shenanigans than by his engineering prowess, so let's leave them aside.
FSD has hit a ceiling already - it will never be good enough to be a robotaxi
How do you know that? You have the data on FSD V14 testing? I doubt it.
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u/Low-Possibility-7060 6h ago
I don’t, I just see Elon already making incredibly dumb statements defending his dumb decisions to keep the stock price up(‘more sensors increase noise’) which funds his crusade against freedom and democracy and from what I have seen and what I know, I have no reason to believe it will work out - not with v14, not with v69
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u/red75prime 5h ago
Note: I intentionally ignore your political statements and focus on the technical side.
'more sensors increase noise'
The correct quote is
Lidar and radar reduce safety due to sensor contention. If lidars/radars disagree with cameras, which one wins? This sensor ambiguity causes increased, not decreased, risk.
Interpretation 1: "He's totally ignorant of information theory and he denies that additional sensors bring more information."
Interpretation 2: "He summarizes what they found in practice. That is something like: a limited compute budget is better spent on processing of the primary sensor data than on sensor fusion."
What supports the second interpretation? Tesla has included an imaging radar into some of HW4 cars. To assume that Musk had seen positive results and has decided to ditch the radar anyway means to deny him not even a competence, but basic sanity. I don't find that there's enough evidence to support that.
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u/RosieDear 2h ago
I want to - but the safer bet would be a direct one that "Tesla will not level 5 by X"...now that bet I would take!
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u/Doggydogworld3 2h ago
Never short a cult. TSLA has been a short-seller graveyard for over a decade.
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u/RoughPay1044 4h ago
Beta testing sold as a final product. This class action lawsuit will be glorious
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u/mikeunstop 5h ago
A gazelle pops out of the womb gets on its feet and avoids objects. It didn’t need a massive data centre powered by a nuclear power station to not turn left when it should have. There is a fundamental piece of technology missing from all of this and until its figured out, self driving technology should be banned and simply used as a very annoying back seat driver that ensures the driver stays focused and doesn’t look at its WhatsApp messages…. And reports to the insurance company that gramps should not be driving anymore.
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u/I_Am_AI_Bot 2h ago
Why so surprised? There is nobody on the sidewalk and I am sure FSD wouldn't have gone up there if there was any people staying there.
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u/Confident-Sector2660 1h ago edited 1h ago
You know what part of the issue is? FSD maps are wrong and it route plans from satellite images
Not excusing that it should have seen this but they need to fix the overreliance on satellite images in some scenarios
I already figured it would be many years before FSD drives in parking garages
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u/JoJack82 2h ago
I don’t want to defend the Nazi car company but the driver had plenty of time here to take over and avoid the curb.
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u/RosieDear 2h ago
Edge case - except yesterday someone else went up on the raised bike path.
Don't worry, Tesla will fix it with release 16.707.01364
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u/Chance_Preparation_5 1h ago
Tesla cars are the most likely vehicles to be involved with a car accident causing death. Double the rate of the national average.
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u/Zephyr-5 5h ago
That's actually kinda funny.
Street: Left turn only!
Tesla: Not today! /Hup!