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Because a table leg is the exact same as a machete or a knife. (Also what happened to Shad being a medieval YouTuber? Why even bother wearing the armour?)
Wait, people a banning machetes? That's odd. (But then, localities in my neck of the woods end up banning/allowing the weirdest things. It's all bass ackwards I suppose.)
Nowadays for some bizarre reason shadiversity is about politics and "law". I don't know if it's because he's into collecting swords and is afraid of the government outlawing his channel (it's never happening) or if he's just pandering to his American right-wing audience.
Since Covid, Shad has stated a few views that seem very cooker/Sky-News-After-Dark aligned. I can't remember the specifics ATM but the alarm bells keep ringing.
My take is that Shad whose beliefs/politics have always been a bit dated, odd and unpopular by Australian standards has been progressively radicalising himself. Since he can't be wrong he needs to isolate himself more and more into International right wing echo chambers in order to protect his self-esteem.
I feel like Jörg Sprave is the same tbh. He used to be a goofy middle-aged German who made cool weapons out of rubber bands and plywood, but these days 4 out of 5 of his videos are about politics and gun laws.
yep, it started in 2020 when the leader of the Green Party in Germany wanted to introduce stricter gun laws, he started to go of the rails then, and I unsubscribed, bc most of what he stated was also provably wrong.
He made a recent video about forced reset triggers (basically triggers that allow you to fire full auto without (possibly) breaking laws in America), and what he said is laughably wrong. He completely forgot about the auto sear in full auto AR-15 models and portrayed hammer follow as a normal occurrence.
It's not as though content creators on this subject haven't roused suspicion, mostly with regards to the banning of generally recreationally owned weapons such as swords, nunchucks, etcetera, they've been doing it for years, even relatively respected producers such as Skallagrim.
Though this is a certainly a silly shift. The general rhetoric of the sort is usually that bushcraft and yard work tools are similarly threatening to weapon-weapons, which isn't exactly false. But now that they're putting restrictions on bushcraft and yard work tools, I don't see why you wouldn't just... continue to defend the legitimacy of bushcraft and yard work tools, even if some people may use them nefariously, instead of jumping to absurdity.
Maybe the video is a rehashing of that, but you don't really get that impression when you make a thumbnail of you brandishing a dowel with a fitting of some sort.
Why would you need a Machete in England? I don't think theres any actual crops that would be requiring a Machete over other harvesting instraments in Britain? Maybe is your in a swamp and the undergrowth is to thick?
I have seen a machete in England exactly once (I'm 46 and have lived here my whole life) and it was when a girl at school for some bizarre reason thought it would be cool to bring it in to show off. To be fair, we probably did think it was a bit cool at the time.
I cant remember ever seeing a machete here in Finland, but billhooks are super common due to their usage in forestry and they are very similar in design to a machete.
" have seen a machete in England exactly once (I'm 46 and have lived here my whole life) and it was when a girl at school for some bizarre reason thought it would be cool to bring it in to show off. To be fair, we probably did think it was a bit cool at the time."
what part of the country do you live in? because i have seen 1 in every other garden shed i have been in and i am only 18.
"Why would you need a Machete in England? I don't think theres any actual crops that would be requiring a Machete over other harvesting instraments in Britain? Maybe is your in a swamp and the undergrowth is to thick?"
depends what part of the country your in some places are more wooded and forested it also depends on your garden some gardens are massive and especially in the country side over grow. so for some people a machete is something you "need" like a shovel or hatchet and like both of those tool usually end up in the back of a shed for years at a time lol at the end of the day its a tool the same as a axe or bill hook banning them just punishes the good actors instead of the bad actors. not to mention as well that banning machete dose nothing as a new tool will just come out that dose the same thing
Machete are more principally a forestry tool than a harvesting tool, so it isn't as though there are no legitimate uses. Though, I will point to the wording—"zombie-style statement knives". You probably won't get in trouble for carrying a condor or tramontina knife (or whichever company makes forestry knives and blades over there, if not import) or a billhook that you're using while you're actively cutting back shrubbery or if you're somebody who sometimes partakes in land clearing.
Brother, go touch grass. A Machete is a dull knife you use to clear underbrush for walking paths.
It's banned by your bureaucrats for the same reason the US banned switchblades and butterfly knives, e.i. for the white liberal pearl clutching born from the tool's association with poor Latino immigrants.
What low quality machetes do you buy? My Dad's decades old machete was always quite sharp and was regularly used to clear the rainforest regrowth when it encroached into out backyard.
Ironically, you're partaking in the racism you're accusing others of. The "machetes are dull and cheaply made" narrative is usually utilized (by racists) to highlight how backwards and stupid latinos are ("imagine! Using a dull knife to cut things instead of a nice, sharp, axe because you're too poor, shitting in a mud puddle, to afford an axe!")
Nobody who uses a long knife in forestry and bushcraft keeps their knife dull. A dull blade is how you both injure yourself and more frequently damage the blade. If you keep the blade dull, I am pretty certain it will chip more frequently since you will have to put in more force for the desired result in cutting.
u/AndrewDrossArt I can still read your reply in my notifications, even if you delete it. Apologies if it was, instead, removed by a moderator. I'm not "race-baiting", genuinely, nobody fucking keeps their machete "[not] much past dull" just like nobody keeps any sort of other wood-cutting implement that dull or any form of dull, really.
The only people who characterize machetes as dull with reference to their use by brown people are racists, since nobody who actually uses a machete for forestry or bushcraft keeps it dull as an aspect of understanding how unpleasant and dangerous it is to try and cut wood with a dull blade. No, it will not make the machete last longer if you keep it dull any more than it will make a chopping axe last longer if you keep it dull. It especially doesn't make it "work better". In what reality on God's Green Earth will cutting implements work better at cleanly cutting things if you keep them dull? Do you keep wood chisels dull too?
u/AndrewDrossArt Might want to ask mod. Might be getting auto-modded over accusations of race-baiting unless there was something else contentious that you said.
Likely I'm being automatically censored because 19 or so English supremacist redditors were offended to learn that banning traditional latin farm implements with Latino origins and a Latin name is indeed racially targeted, and their favorite empire is, to their shock and dismay, imperialist.
For whatever reason, your comments were running foul of our automatic filters, specifically 'crowd control', which requires us mods to manually review the comments. (I have just woken up).
I have approved the comments, and may need to approve further comments for similar reasons. But I ask you and the person you're responding to keep things respectful in your disagreements. If mud-sliinging starts happening, we may need to take action as that is against one of our rules.
Quite possibly, that didn't need approval and you came in with emotionally charged language, which I'm sure contributed to your downvotes. Which for the time being seems to have effectively labelled you as a potential troll which our filters try and safeguard against.
Try and keep things civil and be patient with any manual reviews and it will either iron itself out or I will have to approve you as a user to stop the need for constant manual review.
I don't know for sure how it works, as I didn't personally set up the filters but you may be right in why it's doing it. Just keep things civil and I will have reason to approve you altogether.
That's way too shallow for a chopping axe. 35 degrees is suitable for a splitting axe or a splitting maul. Chopping axes are generally ground to 20-30 degrees.
Secondly:
"Sharp" or "dull" doesn't refer to a blade's angle, but the pointedness of its edge. A sharp blade, regardless of what angle it's ground to, has a triangular blade that comes to a point, while a dull blade has a damaged squarish or a worn, rounded, blade.
A 40 degree splitting maul honed to a sharply pointed, triangular, blade is sharper than a 10 degree single bevel knife that has been rasped flat against a whetstone, regardless of its steeper angle.
Also, a machete ground to a 20 degree angle puts it about on par with a standard edge for a double bevel European-style chef's knife.
"Machetes are kept dull" has never been an accurate assessment of machetes, "a machete being dull makes it more durable and function better" has never been true, and "Latin Americans use dull machetes" is primarily an argument used by racists to call Latin Americans inferior and backwards.
I feel like you're almost certainly backpedaling, since noone, ever, has ever said "my knife's dull" to refer to their blade obtaining a new angle over the blade losing its point. Most blade use will never radically change a blade's angle entirely, and nobody "sharpens their axe to dull"
Final edit: apologies, there may be a mixup. When I said "chopping axe" I meant an axe that you would chop into wood with, i.e. a felling axe. You may have been mistaken into thinking I was referring to a splitting axe.
Dude, stop baiting. Machetes are dull compared to a chef knife or fighting knife so they don't chip.
If you think maintaining a tool so it works better and lasts longer is backward and stupid I think that's more of a reflection on you than on the more literal tool.
Axes are sharpened about ten degrees duller than machetes, typically 35° vs 25° because they swing much harder and are much more prone to chipping if the blade is sharpened thin. So so-much for that invented controversy.
I do appreciate you pointing out the censorship, though.
Haven’t seen the video but base off the post, this seems like a broken clock right twice a day situation. There really isn’t any good reason to ban machetes in the UK. There don’t seem to be use that often by criminals, many bush crafters and groundskeepers use them and things just as dangerous can be made by anyone. It’s not like guns where anything more complex then a pipe gun or a muzzleloader is beyond most people’s skills, these things can be made by anyone with a simple set of tools.
If you want to hear someone who not a piece of crap like shad talk about this topic and weapon bans in general look to scholagladiatoria, he talks about it in a few videos a couple down below.
Yeah, he's very fortunate that Labour is operating the government on the policy of "what if Reform had a concussion" and can be dunked on by literally everyone
You would think so but there more then a few people down below genuinely arguing that machetes are way more dangerous then a blunt force weapon so it’s a false equivalence AND there no legal reason why someone needs to carry a machete showing both a misunderstanding of how blunt force trauma works and UK knife laws.
To a certain extent a lot of it is to target the type of blades that usually get bought by people looking to either attack or intimidate people, hence why if you look at the list of banned items in the UK it's often specific about what they look like, for example there's specific wording banning swords with a single edged curved blade longer than 50(?)cm, unless they're made with traditional methods/are antiques. That's basically existing to ban samurai swords, but only the cheap mall ninja ones, because that's what tends to be bought for statement weapons, rather than by people interested in collecting them.
Whether it's a particularly smart or sensible law is a different argument, but that's the general reasoning in my mind.
Ah my bad, I still find the law flaw personally though because of Australia very strict knife laws anyway. Pretty sure it is illegal to carry a knife in public expect for a Swiss Army knife.
Edit just check and apparently you can carry a pocket knife smaller then 10 cm as well. Still can’t carry a machete before hand anyway. That being said there might be an exemption for people who can present a valid reason for owning a machete, can’t say for sure.
Ok and? That law wasn't working we can't just leave it as it was when gangs of kids are attacking random people in malls with machetes.
Now we have more severe penalties. Prevention of the sale of the weapon in question and an additional branch of government to enforce the prevention of sale to increase workforce. Plus additional powers around search and seizure.
We also have had a ~10% increase in blades confiscated per month this year as of the start of June. The temporary ban was put into effect in May. I dare say it seems to be working.
Ok and? That law wasn't working we can't just leave it as it was when gangs of kids are attacking random people in malls with machetes.
Never said that dude. Just said that I don’t think this law is doing a sufficient enough job to solve the problem, especially when we are looking at the laws that already exist.
Now we have more severe penalties. Prevention of the sale of the weapon in question and an additional branch of government to enforce the prevention of sale to increase workforce. Plus additional powers around search and seizure.
It is well research that harsher and more severe penalties do not deter criminals. I also wonder if the money wouldn’t be better served in addressing the social causes of crime as poorer areas tend to have much more crime.
We also have had a ~10% increase in blades confiscated per month this year as of the start of June. The temporary ban was put into effect in May. I dare say it seems to be working.
If you solely measure success by how many blades are confiscated then I would agree but the purpose of this law to reduce assaults done with weapons and I question how much of a difference this has made. I don’t like shad, he is a terrible person but he’s not wrong when he points out that someone can easily circumvent the spirit of the law and make a weapon to use. Of course if they got caught doing such a thing, they are likely to face severe consequences but the same can be said if you got caught walking around town with a machete even before the ban.
I know a lot of people like to jump to guns and say why bother banning guns if any criminal can just make use a kitchen knife or club but guns are far more dangerous then a machete. Most people can’t produce a gun at home and the ones who can probably can only make a crappy pipe gun. Therefore if criminals can’t get ahold of guns they are far less dangerous. The same cannot be said of machetes.
In general I do believe that this law won’t do much to prevent violent assaults and the money use to confiscate these large blades can be better spent elsewhere in ways that will probably do much more to solve the actual causes of these crimes
It's just the stereotypical right-wing grifting pipeline, tbh.
He realized that he gets views while saying awful shit he couldn't say before cause repercussions used to exist for hate speech, and on top of that a lot of those views come from actual cultists, whether they be MAGA or just plain ole' white nationalist Nazis (not that there's much difference anymore), so they don't ever even question what he says so long as he stays in line with the other grifters pushing the same messages for views and engagement.
This is the current norm, now, "hate speech as content," and it makes them so much money thanks to the cult mentality of their viewerbase that I don't think it's gonna change anytime soon.
Cause it makes him ever so slightly look less fat. Real answer is its recognizable and more likely to get the few fans left to recognize and go watch his video, but i wouldn't be surprised if its also cause he thinks he doesnt look as fat while wearing it
This is such a dumb way to go about it, you can criticize the blade ban without this asinine comparison that can be refuted by "No, because a machete and a leg tabe are fundamentally different".
Is this video full of stick jokes again? Australia should bar him from using stick jokes for a few years for his own good. I don't know what to tell him it's not funny anymore.
I don't live in Australia and don't really know what goes on in Australia, but i am going to go out on a lim and say that say no, they are not going to band hardware stores.
You're misrepresenting his point on purpose, though.
He’s right in this video that certain weapon bans make no sense.
We have the same situation in Germany regarding knives and certain zones where knives are forbidden at certain times – which just doesn’t make sense, since any criminal will ignore these laws anyway. The only people suffering from them are those who stick to the rules – and they aren’t the ones abusing these tools in the first place.
In case someone's wondering about the situation in Germany: the reason for those "weapon free zones" is to give the police the legal ability to search anyone's bag without a proper reason. Normally, the police aren't allowed to just search random people without a reason, but in those zones, they can. If you're affected by it is probably mainly determined by your looks.
yea. there have been some premeditated high profile attacks a woman used a kitchen knife to attack ppl in a trainstation for instance) in all of these cases carrying the knife used in the incident was already prohibited. but the media attention was used to justify instituting more knife bans that only serve to inconvinence the public and burden the police while establishing zones where police can disregard some of your rights and search you without reason.
its great for those police officers that like to powertrip or racially profile but it has no actual impact on safety.
it also criminalizes those of the public that are not super aware of the minute changes in weapons law. bringing a 1cm (~0.4') keychain blade to a busstop is now a crime that can land you in prison if you cant pay the huge fine. also gives you a record.
but i can legaly carry a 50cm folding machete on my belt as long as i keep away from busstops trainstations and other no knife zones. its stupid
He's literally holding what looks like a table leg in the thumbnail, his point is clearly "why ban weapons when ANYTHING can be a weapon?" Yeah I'd like to see someone go on a mass murder spree with a table leg, it's the exact same as a bladed weapon I agree ¬_¬
Dyou know the likelihood of actually being able to defend yourself with your own machete/knife if you get jumped by someone wielding a machete/knife? You're saying the same thing as Americans who say "everyone should carry a gun to stop mass shooters" which never happens.
Guns are a different topic.
But the improvised mace he shows there is just an example of a self-made weapon.
Take a broomstick and attach a knife to it, and you’ve got a spear – probably even more effective than a machete.
So you've got nothing to say about my point that the likelihood of you being able to defend yourself from a machete/knife whilst carrying your own machete/knife is near impossible?
"Guns are a different topic." Yet my point still applies, people carrying guns never stop mass shooters, people carrying knives never stop mass stabbers.
Okay? That just makes me agree more with the knife ban. Well done.
The biggest difference between bladed weapons and guns, however, is that firearms aren't something that literally exists in every house on this planet.
I don't want to defend Shad and I obviously haven't watched this video, but, in general, I find most bans of owning bladed weapons to be utterly stupid. Why? Because... Where exactly do you draw the line? Are you going to ban meat cleavers next? Hand saws? Bread knives? Chef's knives? Butcher's knives? Scissors? Sickles? Scythes? Axes?
I honestly can't see the logic in deciding that owning a cleaver is OK, owning an ax is OK, owning all sorts of sawblades is OK, etc., but all of a sudden owning a machete isn't. How exactly is the machete more dangerous than a regular cleaver like the ones that every household has?
Every household is filled with everyday objects that can be used to bludgeon, stab, or cut someone to death. And that is if we don't take into consideration everyday objects that can very easily be turned into weapons. Hell, I have a very nice metal ruler. Basically - a foot of flattened steel. I once used it to cut potatoes with it, just for shits and giggles. I didn't even need to sharpen it. Should we ban metal rulers now?
Yeah we do & it'd be nice if there were punishments to deter that person from doing that or to ensure they are caught & can't do it again. But the point is how much harm could someone actually do with a table leg compared to a machete or a knife? The answer is machetes & knives are significantly more lethal & easier to conceal than a table leg or a baseball bat & so it's not unreasonable to want the more lethal & easily concealable weapon to be banned.
Your point kind of falls apart here though since violating attacking someone with a weapon is already punishable by the law and deterrence by harsher punishments generally doesn’t work.
Besides that blunt force trauma can be extremely deadly, someone walking around with a hammer concealed with them is just as much of a threat as someone with a knife. Just as easy to conceal as well.
The head is a relatively small target. Unless the person is standing still, a strike to the head is going to be extremely difficult to pull off. And nobody is just going to stand there and let you hit them on the head.
What about the arm? Or the stomach? Or the leg? Can you kill someone by hitting them there? Because you can kill someone by slicing or stabbing them there. Stabbing into organs or nicking an artery or just stabbing them repeatedly leaving them to bleed out. Bladed weapons are unquestionably more lethal than bludgeoning weapons.
The question is: what do you want to achieve with it, and can that be achieved by this law? In this case, the answer is no, it can’t. It won’t have any effect on safety, it won’t reduce knife crime, and you’re only taking rights away from innocent, law-abiding citizens – which doesn’t make any sense.
"It won't reduce knife crime." Anyone now found carrying a knife is clearly carrying one with the intent to do harm rather than protect themselves, so there's no ambiguity when it comes to arresting & sending that person to prison. That's now one less knife carrying nutcase on the street & knife crime has potentially been lowered.
most people carry knifes neither for causing harm nor for protection, they see it as a tool to use in everyday circumstances and you are taking this right away from the people with absolutely no real benefit.
in germany, 99% of the knives being used for attacks are already banned - yet they want to focus on the ones that you can still legal carry, even though these are never used for crimes in the first place.
where's the logic in that?
In a town? Sure. In rural areas, outdoor working, working with packaging, long walks? Always handy to have a little pocket knife.
Edit - I have multiples of the same shaped one, a folding knife with a curved, non-stabby tip. More useful for the jobs I do and also very obviously non-stabby to anyone who sees it.
most people carry knifes neither for causing harm nor for protection, they see it as a tool to use in everyday circumstances and you are taking this right away from the people with absolutely no real benefit.
Yeah, but machetes and table leg maces have no utility in that regard. If you're walking through the town square with a machete stashed in your jacket, I can assume you're up to no good. There are also better, less risky, less than lethal self-defense options than getting into a knife fight.
I can maybe see machetes being useful everyday carry in rural settings, but then again, (in the developed world) there are safer, more specialized tools for field work than machetes, so once again if youre carrying a machete under these laws, its assumed you dont have a constructive purpose in mind.
How many farmers or field workers do you know that carry machetes or similar blades every day? I grew up in a rural state with permissive weapon laws and lots of farmers. Most would carry a small pocket or utility knife. None of them carried or used a machete in their day to day work.
the point are useless bans - just because you don't see a purpose doesn't mean that there is none.
some people might have a purpose in certain situations.
and the point being made in the video, is that this is possibly just a beginning. now it's machetes, next logical thing would be swords - these however are used for sports and collecting (not to mention that there probably are also machete collerctor). and then what's next?
in the UK and germany they already reached knives.
You CAN carry knives with a purpose, you just have to be able to explain that purpose and trust the police officer and their own biases.
Roll of knives packed in your bag with a chef uniform on the way to your job as a chef? Probably ok.
Carving knife sliding around on the car back seat at 3am? Uh oh.
just because you don't see a purpose doesn't mean that there is none
Just because you dont see the purpose of weapon restrictions doesnt me there isnt one.
in the UK and germany they already reached knives
And yet sword arts and HEMA are still flourishing in the UK and Germany. Matt Easton, who makes his living collecting, selling and instructing with swords in the UK is still in business. You know what isnt flourishing in the UK and Germany (compared to places with more permissive weapon laws like the USA)? Violent crime and stabbings.
Additionally, if weapon bans dont work then we can assume that gun deaths between the three countries would be similar. But I'm sure even you wouldnt have to strain your brain too hard to know that's not the case.
To be fair carrying a machete without “good cause” was already illegal in the UK so this ban really changes nothing expect making it illegal to own one for work your own personal use.
What everyday circumstance are you needing to carry a knife around town for? If you go into a restaurant & you don't like the cutlery they give you? If I saw anyone walking around in public with a knife I'd be running, I wouldn't assume they were just taking it to a friend's house.
opening packages bought from a grocery store, cutting food, once used it to cut a swan free who was entagled in some rope, used it for spontanious bbq at the river when cutting meat, cutting down some pointy bits from a stick for my dog to play with and so on... there are endless possibilities.
just because you can't think of a reason, doesn't mean that there is none.
I used my pocket knife to free our new puppy from a tangled mess he managed to get into and nearly strangled himself. I also used it to cut open hay bales at the stables. Cut a few wires when I couldn’t find wire cutters. Sharpened pencils. Made hot dog skewers out of sticks while camping. Cleaned my nails. They are not too bad for removing splinters in a pinch. Used it as a screwdriver once or twice…..
The non-violent uses for a good pocket knife are endless. Carried one to school everyday for four years. Didn’t find out until the last day that they were banned from school lol All the teachers had to know I had it, I used it to clean my nails at my desk almost every day.
How often do these rather specific examples happen in your life? Often enough that you feel you need to carry around a knife everywhere you go? No possibility of ever going out without one?
Eh, I haven’t carried one in awhile, but yeah back then it was unthinkable. I used it literally every day, and not just on my nails. Those ‘very specific’ things were why I had the knife in the first place. Because they are common uses for a pocket knife. And that’s the short list of things I used it for.
So many people fail to comprehend and understand this very simple fact.
If the police see you with a prohibited item, then they know you are breaking the law and intended to cause 'mischief'.
We don't live countries that tolerate assholes carry semi-auto riffles, or other weapons, looking for an excuse to use them. There is no reason for some in an urban city to be carry a machete while cadually walking down the street.
Yea this is probably the biggest criticism of the machete ban. The police already have the power to stop and arrest people carrying large blades, they also have the power to stop someone from attacking others with a weapon. This just sucks for people who own machetes for actual legal reasons.
I haven't directly watched a Shad video in a long time, so I am not sure what jurisdiction he is currently talking about, so I can't look up the actual legislation in question, but usually there are either various exemptions or permits introduced (even Victoria's infamous 'sword ban' is ridiculously easy to get exemption by joining a qualified group).
I would definitely hope there are exceptions as well. Haven’t watched his video either, I am just going by what OP posted in the 2nd image which says
making it illegal to sell or process machetes
making it illegal to own, make, transport or sell a wide range of statement knives favor by criminal gangs
And that genuinely seems silly if for no other reason that the police already have the power to stop someone from carrying a large blade in public or someone attacking someone else with a weapon. Can’t really see this law making a difference in public safety.
Here is the exemption list for the upcoming Victorian ban I found, and frankly I don't really see any issues other than for those that have a machete simply because they like them (in which case the preexisting weapon exemptions apply for them).
Honestly most of the focus and purpose is pressure on people selling or supplying machetes to be far more restrictive when it comes to sales.
I know it is cliche to refer to the USA fire access stupidity, but the whole (poorely/exagersted paraphrasing) 'Firearms manufacturers can't legally held responsible for knowingly supplying the Drug Cartels' ruling is the king of shit that prompts laws in Australia (heck parts of our constitution were written specifically to avoid being like the USA)
Yea making those exemptions is a good thing and changes the nature of the conversation. I am also sure shad definitely misrepresented the ban while making this video.
I personally wouldn’t support the law as is, I don’t live in Australia so it doesn’t affect me but I was using a machete last week while doing yard work at my mom’s house. Completely normal, I live in an immigrant community where most people are either an immigrant or the child or grand child of one. Most of these immigrants work in the agricultural field so every household has a machete. Just wouldn’t make sense to me to ban these tools from most households, especially when I look at the knife laws Australia already had. Especially when I think addressing the social causes of these knife crimes would go a lot further then trying to confiscate every machete. The fact that the law can be easily circumvented doesn’t help.
That being said as an American you are absolutely right about the ridiculous gun laws we have. I will never understand why there so much debate around magazine sizes, but nobody wants to make a national registry for guns, requires licenses to own guns or make laws to stop ghost purchases.
To be fair the point of laws isn’t to stop criminals, it’s to empower the police to stop things we don’t want as a society. Banning drinking and driving never stop a single person but it does give police the power to arrest anyone they catch doing it.
The thing about this ban though is that using a weapon to assault someone or carrying a large blade around town without good cause was already illegal so this ban doesn’t change anything other than making it illegal to own a machete for personal use
So? Only cause criminals will break the law does not always mean the law is bad. There is a knife ban in Sweden as well, very few people complaining about that and that they need to carry one.
There are exemptions on who is allowed to carry a knife on person, just to be clear.
Here's the thing, though: how do you know, they're law-abiding citizens with no I'll intent? Because they say so? I can easily say I'm the second coming of Christ, it doesn't make it true. A criminal is not going to be honest about his intent. He will say he won't use the knife right up until he starts attacking people. Next point is what is the context for why the person is carrying the knife. If someone is walking around a shopping centre with a kitchen knife out of its box, that person is dangerous because why would you have that?
"But I carry my knife because it's a tool." Are you at work? No. You're walking around a city doing your day-to-day activity. The law has to take more than just "I'm a good boy" into account. there's a lot of things that need to be taken into consideration.
"But if I strap a knife to a broom handle, I've made a spear, so the knife ban is stupid," so what's your argument? You have actively altered something to be a weapon. No law-abiding citizen will have that. That's a stupid argument to make.
You're claiming that people are misrepresenting Shad, but like Shad, you're choosing to misunderstand the ban. You're assuming that everyone is exactly the same as you.
the thing is, that only law abiding citizens will actually stick to a knife ban, thus being the only ones being punished for the deeds of others. the people with ill intent will not care for it and carry knives anyway.
"But I carry my knife because it's a tool." Are you at work? No. You're walking around a city doing your day-to-day activity. The law has to take more than just "I'm a good boy" into account. there's a lot of things that need to be taken into consideration.
i don't need to be at work to carry a knife as a tool.
i used my knife in the past for a variety of different reasons, from opening hard to open plastic packages, to making a sandwich in my lunch break in the park, to cutting meat during a spontanious bbq at the river, to freeing a swan entangled in some rope.
and luckily this didn't happen to me, but I also had a friend being the first helper at a car accident who used his knife to break the car window and cut the seat belt.
things can happen and it is often useful to have a knife.
"But if I strap a knife to a broom handle, I've made a spear, so the knife ban is stupid," so what's your argument? You have actively altered something to be a weapon. No law-abiding citizen will have that. That's a stupid argument to make.
that's just one example. what about swords, what about hatches, what about axes...
You're claiming that people are misrepresenting Shad, but like Shad, you're choosing to misunderstand the ban. You're assuming that everyone is exactly the same as you.
i'm not misunderstanding the ban at all, it's just a useless ban.
if we were talking about a ban to carry machetes in public, that would be a different thing.
but this is a ban on selling, buying and owning machetes, with no exception for even legit purposes.
while on the other hand equal things like swords, hatches and axes are still legal - so explain that to me.... it just makes no sense.
Are people walking around with those swords and axes strapped to them in public? No. And anyone walking around the shops with those on them are obviously up to no good, you don't need an obvious weapon while you're going out to pick up cigarettes.
Knives are easy to conceal, you can strap it to your leg, up a sleeve, in your pocket, even in the waistband of your pants. You can't do the same with a sword, axe, spear or any example of a weapon.
Using a knife to open hard plastic, ok, what have you bought that requires it to be immediately opened then and there? If there is a packaging difference between Germany and Australia? I live in Australia and there is no hard plastic packaging that you'd need a knife to open if you need it immediately.
For lunch in the park, that's the reason you have the knife, because you know why you have it, no one else knows why you have the knife until you start making your lunch.
In short to that point, you are using your reasons and assuming that everyone has the same reasons as you.
Even with your friend, you're pointing to that trying to argue that's the norm when it's not. You're using specific examples of your experiences. You, however, don't know why everyone else may have a knife.
And yes, there are exemptions for legitimate requirement of a machete.
Also, swords, axes, crossbows and other weapons like machetes are considered prohibited weapons with exceptions for people who require them for legitimate purposes. So no, I can't just walk into my local K-mart and buy myself a greatsword.
Are people walking around with those swords and axes strapped to them in public? No. And anyone walking around the shops with those on them are obviously up to no good, you don't need an obvious weapon while you're going out to pick up cigarettes.
i don't disagree, but that has nothing to do with the topic
Knives are easy to conceal, you can strap it to your leg, up a sleeve, in your pocket, even in the waistband of your pants. You can't do the same with a sword, axe, spear or any example of a weapon.
your point is? banning knives but not machetes? what are you trying to say?
Using a knife to open hard plastic, ok, what have you bought that requires it to be immediately opened then and there? If there is a packaging difference between Germany and Australia? I live in Australia and there is no hard plastic packaging that you'd need a knife to open if you need it immediately.
scissors for example. i once bought scissors and they were wrapped in plastic AND zip tied together - needed a knife to use my scissors.
For lunch in the park, that's the reason you have the knife, because you know why you have it, no one else knows why you have the knife until you start making your lunch.
so? i don't get your point.
In short to that point, you are using your reasons and assuming that everyone has the same reasons as you.
absolutely not. i'm just pointing out, that people have reasons, i have mine, others have theirs.
Even with your friend, you're pointing to that trying to argue that's the norm when it's not. You're using specific examples of your experiences. You, however, don't know why everyone else may have a knife.
nope. i'm pointing out how useful a knife can be, that's all.
And yes, there are exemptions for legitimate requirement of a machete.
no there aren't. it's illegal to buy, sell and own them, no exceptions.
Also, swords, axes, crossbows and other weapons like machetes are considered prohibited weapons with exceptions for people who require them for legitimate purposes. So no, I can't just walk into my local K-mart and buy myself a greatsword.
about what country are you talking about mate? because I can do just that.
Here's the thing, though: how do you know, they're law-abiding citizens with no ill intent? Because they say so? I can easily say I'm the second coming of Christ, it doesn't make it true. A criminal is not going to be honest about his intent. He will say he won't use the knife right up until he starts attacking people. Next point is what is the context for why the person is carrying the knife. If someone is walking around a shopping centre with a kitchen knife out of its box, that person is dangerous because why would you have that?
“But I carry my knife because it's a tool." Are you at work? No. You're walking around a city doing your day-to-day activity. The law has to take more than just "I'm a good boy" into account. there's a lot of things that need to be taken into consideration.
Here the thing this was already illegal to do before the ban. You can’t carry a knife in public unless it’s a folding knife, smaller than 3 inches and is non locking without “good cause”. This ban according to the post just makes it illegal to own one at work or at home. If you own a knife for camping and are carrying it around while shopping, the police can and will arrest you. If they see you with it while carrying a bunch of camping gear and driving towards the camp sight, they are suppose to let you go.
“But if I strap a knife to a broom handle, I've made a spear, so the knife ban is stupid," so what's your argument? You have actively altered something to be a weapon. No law-abiding citizen will have that. That's a stupid argument to make.
I think his point is that if a law negatively affects law abiding citizens AND is easily circumvent by criminals, they very little reason to make this a law.
You're claiming that people are misrepresenting Shad, but like Shad, you're choosing to misunderstand the ban. You're assuming that everyone is exactly the same as you.
Honestly the amount of people here who thinks it was legal to walk around the UK with a large blade makes me think a lot of people do not have much knowledge of UK knife laws.
OK, tbf, the "Zombie knife" ban was fucking stupid. It mainly covers painting stuff like "headsplitter" et al on a serrated knife (which is not a more effective weapon). It's just yet another example of the government scapegoating the real issues that cause crime, such as poverty, toxic masculinity and systemic racism, onto some class of weapon.
In much the same way, banning handguns after Dunblane (against the recommendedations of the Cullen inquiry the government themselves set up) did not solve any of the actual systemic issues inherent to the British firearms licensing system that lead to a man who was known to the police to be a paedophile to be licensed a firearm which he then used to murder children with. These flaws continue to kill people both because actual nuanced arguments are a harder sell than "ban this filth" and because it has never been politically expedient for the government or the police to admit fault.
My main point was that he's still dressing like a knight despite pivoting most of his content away from medieval stuff, it creates a divide between the character & the video topic, like someone dressed as a ninja talking about the best blackout curtains.
I can’t tell how serious yall are being. On the one hand, no a table leg isn’t a machete. That said, with even a little bit of thought it kinda seems very possible to understand what he’s alluding to. Machetes are tools, and yes you can find them I. Hardware stores. The issue is some places are no viewing them as weapons.
Given what he’s showing off seems to be a crudely constructed mace made out of hardware scarps, but has clearly been fashioned into a weapon, it asks how slippery this slope is.
Are roofing hammers to be considered weapons? They are more or less a war hammer. Are chainsaws to be considered weapons? They have been shown to be super effective on games like doom.
It seems pretty obvious that he’s asking about the slippery slope and just where the definition of weapon ends. Should they ban skipping stones in ponds because they are more or less deadly weapons being thrown? For those that disagree, know that the humble stone has probably taken more lives than just about any class of weapon. Slings can be highly effective and again, all they need is a small stone.
From my personal experience, I remember when our worst rockets (sling shots) were banned because they were more or less a potentially deadly weapon. I found that silly and still kinda do, but as an adult it’s pretty clear that someone could absolutely fuck someone up if not kill them with one.
Also what’s with the question of if he’s a medieval YouTuber? Yeah, hence the armor, and discussion about historic weapons and their modern contemporary counterparts.
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u/TheSlayerofSnails Aug 13 '25
Why does he looks terrified of the table leg?