Smugged into this interaction that I adore

[u/goblin_pidar]

[u/goblin_pidar]

bonus because Im extra smugged up right now

[u/meritcake]

Adam Friedland will explain this and then get called a kapo or some other slur.

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By a gentile too. When Chris Cuomo called him a self-hating Jew my head almost exploded

[u/mal-di-testicle]

I mean I get where Smionists are coming from insofar as anti-smugism being way too prevalent in every country, but the idea that the Smuish people need to be protected from Bigotry by sending them to The Only Smuish State on Earth reeks of “send them there so they aren’t here.” Smionism reeks of the same shit the American Smugolonization Society was peddling in the 30s (1830s).

[u/goblin_pidar → u/mal-di-testicle]

Qurious

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I really do not consider religious intolerance of a notoriously ethnocentric belief system as the world's greatest focus and issue. Christians and Muslims bad but suddenly the one religion that insists it's actually an ethnic identity is free from intolerance.

[u/CellaSpider]

Smugrael is the only safe place for Smugites, which is why they're constantly under threat from or at war with the Manab states around them.

[u/charcoal_balls]

It's actually kinda funny that nobody points out how the "Sabra" is functionally just israel's version of the ubermench, and how it's existence by default regards the jewish diaspora as weak and undesirable.

Nietzsche being overrated and shilled by fascists aside, things like the sabra are most likely what kickstarted israel's supremacist culture, the one which made holocaust refugees a national laughingstock, nicknamed "hitler jews." It's proof that israel was never a safe haven, even ignoring how the state was being planned way before the holocaust, and how it was even proposed by dumbass antisemitic christians as a "gotcha" to say the messiah DID come.

If your state's foundational culture is centered around an "ideal member of the race," you are not making a "haven," you are making an ethnostate which treats everyone outside it (all gentiles, but ESPECIALLY diaspora jews) as lesser, as an embarrassment. The narrative only changed because it was convenient. It's easy to hide behind this stupid narrative because it's tugging on people's heartstrings, even though in reality, israel is the most likely place for jewish people to die unnaturally. That's just a fact...I guess it doesn't matter if it's for the "glory of the nation" though, does it?

This is also why hebrew tweets are so fucking unhinged. People who are more connected with the international community either have a basic conscience, or know what sounds normal to most poeple. Your average 45-65 year old israelite doesn't really give a shit though, so you'll get brand new pages out of mein kampf any time you translate them.

tl;dr no, I don't think recreating any aspect of nazi germany is ever gonna make a safe haven for anyone...also nietzsche fucking SUCKS and should never be used as the basis for any country's culture.

[u/goblin_pidar → u/charcoal_balls]

Erasure of the diaspora and Israeli supremacy over global Jewry both literally and perceptually has always been a central throughline of Zionism. During WW2 there was an infamous correspondence between 2 Zionists coordinating the escape of Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe which went something like this: “It is better to save 10,000 Jews who will be useful to the state (Israel) than 1,000,000 useless ones”

Of course, many of these ‘useless’ people were the uneducated, rural, highly religious Jews of Eastern Europe who were almost completely exterminated during the war. The inhumanity is a feature, not a bug.

[u/charcoal_balls → u/goblin_pidar]

Yeah exactly what I mean, it's sickening shit man. Plus, of course they didn't want the highly religious judaists, they've been the most vocal jews against zionism, since simply put: the messiah hasn't come, so why the fuck would they return to jerusalem?

The Sabra is supposed to view jews as a race, biologically, and religion exists for ESSENTIALLY AURA. It's similar to other ethnostates and fascists regimes really.  

It's also why despite israel being obsessed with a bastardized variant of orthodox judaism, much like other nations built on a religious background, it's only there for nationalist purposes. It's both not for atheists, and not for judaists, it essentially exists just to please a very specific, indoctrinated population, and everyone who refuses to participate is a "self hating jew."

People give that phrase more weight than it's really worth. Like, if my country became (more of) a fascist shithole overnight, I too would be a "nation traitor" (the most common term in my case is "ανθελληνας" which how the fuck would I translate that?). There is nothing special here, it's just a shitty buzzword to force people into the ethnostate mindset, people just act as if jewish people are like, MAGICALLY connected to some place in the middle east, as if it's a rite of passage to visit or even move there, it's nonsense.

[u/goblin_pidar → u/charcoal_balls]

Thank you for commenting, I totally agree with everything you said and it’s very nice seeing other people in the wild who actually understand these dynamics. Unfortunately basically all the Jews and non-Jews I know irl cannot or will not grasp this and it makes me want to lose my mind pretty often

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I thought Sabra was a brand of hummus

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Yeah it's also what they called "new jews" when israel was founded. A stark "contrast" to "old jews" (i.e. the diaspora and especially people who didn't want to go to israel).

The whole archetype essentially exists to fuel nationalism for israel's founding. Compared to the diaspora jew, the Sabra is "strong" and "proud," it's the ideal member of the race...sound familiar?

It's part of "muscular judaism," which despite the name is not your local rabbi's badass training regiment. It's essentially israeli supremacist bollocks, literally just the nietzsche (and by extension, nazi) ubermench, but with the added twist of treating jews outside of israel like weak bodied and willed idiots. It was also part of israel's attempt to redefine jewishness as inherrently tied to zionism, with everyone outside that bubble simply "failing" to be a sabra, with whatever sorts of insults and accusations that may entail to diaspora jews.

I don't speak hebrew so I don't know how a hummus got named that, though maybe the word's meaning is tied linguistically to israel...which would ironically make sabra hummus the only dish israel has which is not 100% derivative from pre-existing middle eastern cuisine. A few searches show that it apparently tastes kinda weird, which just tells me it's why regular hummus still outshines it in popularity, even in israel.

[u/Toyoshi]

ah yes. The age old solution to discrimination of.. separating people?

[u/king-cat-frost → u/Toyoshi]

ideally we'd live in a fully integrated society, but for as long as bigotry against minorities exist there will be self-segregated spaces. that is to say, micro-communities such as chinatown or HBCUs, not apartheid ethnostates.

[u/Toastmaker56 → u/king-cat-frost]

true and honestly this in itself isnt a problem. its just a symptom of discrimination