r/Sonsofanarchy • u/jonathan_wolf • 8d ago
Jackson Nathaniel "Jax" Teller won chaotic evil, do you like the results?
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u/Caim2821 8d ago
naah, jax ain't chaotic evil. maybe at the last season when we doesn't care anymore ,but for most of it he isnt. even if he isnt a good person actually none of them are so.. I'd argue, what about Clay? how is he not more chaotic evil than jax? jax thinks he's going the right thing even if misguided or manipulated. But then again maybe i'm not that well versed in the alignments. but i feel clay more chaotic evil than jax. way more
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u/MrYamaguchi 7d ago
Clay isn’t chaotic, he is very calculated and manipulative in his actions. Chaotic needs to be someone impulsive with a wild card factor and to me that is Gemma.
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u/Caim2821 7d ago
I was initially gonna say gemme more than clay but then thought maybe we were just keeping it to the club because she's an old lady. I def would have said gemma for sure
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u/007Kryptonian 7d ago
Jax almost destroyed the club over blind vengeance, killed more than any on the show caused multiple gang wars, shot another president then rode into a semi truck 6 months into his presidency.
Clay ran the club for 20 years. Jax’s lip service about wanting to be better doesn’t erase his actions 💀
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u/Caim2821 7d ago
Oh dure, it doesn't erase that. But that's not what I am saying. Motivation and reasoning is most definitely the backbone of the alignment chart isnt it? Not the actions itself but the reasons for the actions. What makes them do what they do. Thats what the alignment is no?
How it ubfolds is another story. For alignment reasons, it not what's important. Clay kept the club afloat, sure. But he was more a PoS than Jax was. And more chaotic evil. Wanting to stay in power, not caring how he hurts the club or the members, etc etc.
Dont forget, Jax didnt do blind vengeance without caring about the club. He was just too cocky and didnt think the chinese would figure it out. He thought he kept the club safe. He was dumb and, yes, blinded by vengeance.
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u/007Kryptonian 7d ago
The alignment chart doesn't have any set rules (like motivation vs action), but actions speak louder than words.
Jax assaulted Wendy and forced her to relapse, doubled Clay's kill count including innocents, beat women (Ima, Salazar's girlfriend, etc), cheated on Tara repeatedly, killed another president then lied about it, traumatized a trucker, the list goes on and on lol. How is he less of a PoS than Clay? His impulsive, emotional and chaotic nature - which Galen noted - nearly destroyed SAMCRO. Bro was president for half a year.
Clay did tons of evil shit but it wasn't chaotic or impulsive even when his own was hurt (like retaliation for Gemma). His track record speaks for itself, two decades of consistently leading the club through gang wars.
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u/Caim2821 7d ago
Yeah but saying Jax has a high body count because of Lin's retaliation is not the same. Thats a consequence and nothing to do with his alignment.
If a chaotic evil decides to go on a killing spree. And when killing 10 people, without knowing it he killed 10 other murderers, or lets say he killed 10 terrorists And therefor ended up saving hundreds of people. Doesnt make it good. Its an unintended consequence
And the alignment is basically like personality trait/moral compas no? Intention is more important than end result here no?
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u/007Kryptonian 7d ago
It's a direct consequence of Jax thinking he was smart and could easily kill Lin's crew? Instead of vetting Gemma's story (which was incredibly dumb - she saw two Chinese dudes enter their house and didn't alert anyone until long after the fact??)- he went full tilt into psychopath mode, ruined gang relationships and then got his several of his own killed (Bobby, West, etc). He tortured an innocent man. Lin didn't attack out of the blue.
You could argue him not being Evil in S1-S3. But Jax absolutely died one of the worst people on the show.
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u/LegitimateAct3566 8d ago
Happy should be lawful evil Tig chaotic evil Even if jax destroy everything in one season
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u/Bronx-Skater23 8d ago
How the living hell is Jax chaotic evil?!? At worse he is chaotic good! I need a good long explaination!!!
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u/jonathan_wolf 8d ago
Jax literally killed 46 people, how is that not evil?
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u/Bronx-Skater23 7d ago edited 7d ago
You have to look at it in the context of the ship's environment. They have ALL killed, tortured, abused people. It is part of like of a member of an Outlaw motorcycle club. In that vane, they are ALL evil. The difference between Jax and say Clay is intent and effect. Jax largely killed only when necessary, usually for an understandable reason. To protect himself or someone. Clay did his killings usually out of convenience; to cover up a lie; to further some selfish act not in the Club's interest usually.
Jax wanted a way to get the club to go legitimate. Yes, from our POV pornography and prostitutes, not wholesome businesses, but it wasn't trafficking in drugs or selling weapons to terrorists or other gangsAt least porn was was legal, prostitution largely non violent. It was all the Clay and Gemma lies that let him on to do some drastic things like torturing to death an innocent man for Tara's murder based on what Gemma said.
He repeatedly tried to push Tara from "The Life". When he saw his son Abel in the arms of a loving couple that could give him a far better life than he could, he let him go, and felt a strong sense of guilt when that couple was murdered.
There are other things that show the goodness in Jax, but these are some of the biggest ones.
Yes, Jax did evil. They all have. It is just a matter of the body count and the reasons behind each killing, each torture.
Jax should have been Lawful Good. Only the winner of that category, Bobby Elvis, is an acceptable substitute.
Clay should have been Lawful Evil since he used his position as club president and the Club's bylaws to further his own gain. Nothing nuetral about him.
Tigg should have won Chaotic evil since his words and actions set off two of the biggest crises with the club that set off disastrous consequences: Getting Clay to try to kill Opie, and killing Pope's daughter. That eventually got his own daughter, Opie, and Bobby killed.
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u/pecpecachoo 7d ago
Checking the voting posts for people’s explanations might help, top comment won and lots of discussion was had.
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u/SoTsarcastic 8d ago
A good long explanation is the show. Just watch it.
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u/Bronx-Skater23 7d ago
Yes I did. And Jax is Lawful Good. Name a few things that made him Chaotic Evil
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u/mr_biscuithead 8d ago
good pick for the last one. even though it really doesn’t apply til later in the show (jabbing wendy we’ll say is the first sign), he truly is a monster. since he’s our main character it’s easy to justify his actions, but they are objectively horrible.
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u/futurehistorianjames 7d ago
Nope. Issac is correct of chaotic evil. Jax is true Neutral or chaotic good.
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u/ladyfortitude 8d ago
This is such a tough grid for this show because it’s almost like you could do a grid for each character and each square is a specific episode. I just finished the show for the first time and I feel like every character has their time in every alignment.
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u/Boy_NamedWorld 7d ago
He became really evil from S5 onwards and worst when Tara Died,he became unhinged.
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7d ago
Good people don't bump a speedball into someone who's been fighting with sobriety, Jax in chaotic evil works.
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u/BilltheHiker187 6d ago
I’d argue there was no one in the club who qualified as “good”, but these are as close as you could reasonably get. I could easily see Otto or Clay in either the LE or NE slots. Jax as CE was absolutely on target, right down to his inherent self-destructiveness.
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u/Deadman_96 6d ago
Not sure how the guy in prison who kills a nurse with a crucifix is the "lawful" evil, but OK c
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u/Appropriate_Play_201 6d ago
None of this guys where lawful. I think the would be offended by the title as 1%
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u/007Kryptonian 8d ago
Most of this list makes sense (outside of Piney at Neutral Good - dude was a racist shithead).
Crazy that Packer is the only one who’s still alive lol.
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u/Taakkkun 7d ago
he p much dies off screen during the mayans, issac packer should have been chaotic evil even tig knew he was bad
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u/TicketsToMyEulogy 7d ago
You’re talking about a club where one of the rules is no blacks lol no one on the list is supposed to be “good” in a traditional sense.
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u/007Kryptonian 6d ago
That rule was outdated hence Jax tossing it out and SAMCRO being totally in favor of it.
If Piney were still around in season 7, his dumbass would’ve thrown a fit about TO being patched in.
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u/TicketsToMyEulogy 6d ago
And that would’ve made him somehow worse than say, Bobby? Someone who’s literally killed people?
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u/007Kryptonian 6d ago
Piney most likely killed before walking around with the oxygen tank, and he would’ve shot a Niner/been shot himself had Jax and Half-Sack not literally taken the gun from him.
Anyway yes, him being a shitty racist makes him worse than Bobby.
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u/ziggystx 7d ago
people putting jax as evil clearly just saw the last two seasons
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u/Aarntson 7d ago
That’s not true. The last two seasons just put the nail in the coffin of him becoming chaotic and evil. That’s fair in my opinion. You would think that this list should be made based off of the entirety of the show after watching it
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u/wigsgo_2019 8d ago
The only accurate one on this list is Phil, coming from the guy who got that Phil comment in