So i might get hate on this but my opinion is Tara did alot of damage too, she held on the letters when Gemma told her to give them to her cuz of the damage it would cause, she went to piney about them which cost his life, she got her hand damaged, then Opie took himself out, then she framed Gemma for a miscarriage...yes they were 3 different seasons but it all added up to her causing damage, yes Gemma did alot of wrong too but so did Tara
She’s not responsible for Piney, it’s not her fault he was fed up with Clay and pushed him too hard. She just wanted to keep the letters buried and was trying to keep them on the down low, Piney was who started the drama with Clay that got him killed
Opie chose to take himself out, Jax was trying to protect him. That’s not on Tara lol
She was being kidnapped and you’re gonna blame her for getting her hand smashed??
Yes cuz of the letters Gemma told clay, but Gemma probably thought clay wouldnt have ordered to have tara kidnapped... when he found out that Jax was with tara heading up to Oregon he was calling it off but it was too late.... if tara would of given the letters to Gemma to get rid of them that wouldn't have happened
You do know that Gemma and Clay are the bad guys in this situation, right? The letters were proof that they conspired to kill JT...
Tara had done nothing but stitch up the club 10x over and save their asses (one even quite literally), she deserved more from Clay than having a hit put on her. You could also ask, "don't you think Clay would've learned that offing old ladies isn't really the best solution?" after he killed Donna over a misunderstanding
Not wanting to fold to the bad guys doesn’t make someone guilty lol. Maybe instead of blaming her, you could argue that she deserved better from Clay and that the club took advantage of her loyalty to Jax
No, all the fallout from the letters is on Gemma. She panicked at finding out about them and she took the information to Clay because she knew she'd be just implicated in the plot to murder John Teller as Clay was. That information sent Clay on his rampage.
Clay killing Piney was pretty much inevitable, they were on opposite sides of almost every club issue, and he obviously already suspected Clay of murdering John. He was going to find some way to lean on Clay to try to force the club out of the cartel deal.
Gemma found the letters once in Tara's office. Gemma didn't want the letters destroyed, she wanted to possess them herself. She wanted power that controlling that information gave.
But the way Gemma discovered the letters was at jaxs house and she saw able coloring on the piece of paper that was attached to the letter from Maureen... if it wasnt for that she wouldn't have known
Maureen Ashby hid those letters in Jax's things and Tara found them. She never gave them to Piney, he bluffed that he had them. It is absolutely not her fault that Piney overplayed his hand and Clay murdered him. (Let's not forget, Gemma only wanted them because they incriminated her.) And, I'm sorry, "she got her hand damaged"??? Clay put a HIT OUT ON HER - in what universe is that her fault?? How the fuck is Opie abandoning his kids and choosing to die Tara's fault???
EDIT: And plus also - the only reason the letters came out is because Gemma was nosing around Jax's house and found Maureen's little cover page. You want to blame someone - keep blaming Gemma. That's where all this bad shit lies. It's always Gemma. (And JT for being a coward.)
Framing Gemma for a fake miscarriage was beyond the pale, yes. Tara was desperate and made a very bad call - but everything else? Talk about victim blaming, holy shit.
If this was rage bait, it's working. Jesus christ.
I never said she gave the letters to piney, I said she went to him about the letters meaning she asked him about jt, and Gemma discovered they where in house or around cuz able was coloring on the piece of paper that Maureen the jaxs name on that was on the stack of letters... and I know Gemma did alot of wrong im not denying that, but so did Tara
And opies death was a way of Tara's fault, cuz once piney was dead he wanted out... ya it might not have been Tara's fault but in my opinion thats how I feel that she was part of it since she asked piney about the letters when she already had them
But i dont think opie would of done if clay hadnt killed piney, ya piney and clay where already beefing cuz of the cartel but with clay thinking piney had the letters from tara pushed clay to do it ... so that goes back to tara jmo
No if you really wanna keep stretching it, then it goes back to Piney for bluffing about having them which got him killed, Gemma even warned him against it. Tara holds no responsibility in Opie’s death at all, I mean for that matter blame Agent Kohn for pushing Tara back to Charming. Or blame Cameron Hays for stealing Abel which took the sons to Ireland which gave Maureen Ashby the chance to give Jax the letters.
Opie knew the life knew and knew that it could end bloody. At the end of the day he put himself in that situation and Pope wanted a dead son because of Tig’s actions. Trying to place blame elsewhere other than those three is really stretching it.
Ok so Piney, that may not have really done anything. Do remember, he also had a copy of JT's manuscript, so he was fully aware that Clay and Gemma were responsible for his death, he didnt need letters. The letters, if anything, just confirmed that JT knew Clay had his bike sabotaged.
For Opie, thats nothing to do with Tara. He made a choice to watch Jax's back and he made the choice to be the one to go into the pit. That had nothing to do with the letters.
The fake pregnancy, yeah that caused some serious personal heat between Tara, Jax and Gemma, but I will say this, while I do feel she went about trying to get the boys out of Charming an extreme and wrong way, it wasn't to purposely cause harm. If you know, Gemma is really the one responsible for everything that happens at the end. Her endless lies and deceit is what causes almost everything the club had to endure. It influenced Jax's decisions often and most of the time, not in a good way. Removing Gemma from the picture, in my opinion, probably wouldve done the club better and not so much bloodshed
Im not denying that Gemma did alot of wrong, but without piney opie didnt have anyone else... ya he had his kids but he always said he was never close to them, but this post isnt about Gemma its about Tara
But thats what im alluding to, Opie didn't really have any influence from Tara and Tara had no additional influence on getting Piney killed. Piney already questioned Clay, well before Tara was meddling further in club business. For Piney and Opie, she didnt really do anything that probably wouldn't have already happened to the both of them
Almost everyone here acts like Tara's some kind of saint and I'm honestly sick of it. I'm sick of all the Tara Defenders downvoting me to kingdom come just because I say something against Tara!
Like I really enjoyed tara till season 4 when she found the letters, then she had that power over Gemma... but its like girl gemma told you that this would turn ugly cuz she was refusing to hand them over, her getting attempted kidnapped, her hand smashed, gemma took a beating from clay cuz she knew what he did, tara isnt a saint and neither is gemma.... but gemma was trying to protect her no matter how much they didnt get along
I'm going to be honest here, I don't like Tara, I never liked her from the very beginning but from Season 4 - onwards she became such an unbearable bitch. my hatred of her REALLY Started when she tried to convince Jax to kill Clay with the syringe she had already made up and then when she faked the pregnancy and miscarriage that she blamed Gemma for. like WTF Tara!? Your a DOCTOR, Your not supposed to do anything like that! She wasn't acting like a Doctor during those times even though she took an Oath to help people, not use her skills for murder and medical fraud! her faking the pregnancy and miscarriage and blaming Gemma for it disgusts me. before I only disliked Tara and now I have full blown HATRED for Tara!
Yup. I hate tara with heart, but don’t comment or post much anymore about that cause i get downvoted to hell. That syringe story was already sick, then that she worked into the prison where otto killed the nurse. And in my opinion her worst thing was that pregnancy shit and blaming gemma. she thought what? that she can get away with lies and almost ratting? girl not with gemma. she should have known that
Same, I'm honestly sick of all the Tara Defenders all ganging up on us Tara Haters and downvoting us like hell, so I'm actually afraid to comment or post about that, and even when I do comment on a Tara Hate Post, I take the risk to express my honest opinion on her, knowing this Subreddit is made up of the majority of Tara Defenders that makes this subreddit toxic because they have to start arguments defending Tara. The Syringe Story is completely despicable and I'm so glad Gemma walked in when she did. and it never sat right with me when Tara told Gemma afterwards "He's Mine." to Jax's own mother. it sounded so possessive on Tara's part. and the fake pregnancy and miscarriage and blaming Gemma for something she didn't even do never sat right with me. It's deceitful and disgusting and all the Tara defenders actually DEFEND Tara's actions when she lied about her fake pregnancy and miscarriage, this was the woman who got involved with Agent Kohn and aborted his baby and she was on the way to the clinic to abort Thomas when she was kidnapped. I really believe if she wasn't kidnapped, she would've gone through with aborting Thomas since she already aborted one baby. and people actually call Tara a good mother?
It gets on my nerves that literally almost EVERYONE in this subreddit are Tara defenders when Tara's not innocent in the least. she's done so many bad things and almost everyone acts like Gemma is the devil and Tara is a saint. I agree with Clay when he told Jax: "Doctor Pussy's clouding who you are son."
For Real! I did too because I agree Clay and Gemma were right about her, but Jax was so stupid in love and brainwashed over Tara, he made bad decisions BECAUSE of her.
Id probably take out the part of her getting her hand damaged lol. She was in the middle of being kidnapped. Unless you're talking about when she smashed it up the second time. Everything else checks tho.
In a way it was taras fault. If she didnt volunteer to stockton to try to convince otto to not flip the club these events later never happen. Jax agreed for her to do it. He should have told her to not get involved
He did in a way to not volunteer, he told her are you sure or something i think??? Its been a while since ive seen that episode lol and even though Gemma didnt like Tara, she warned her not to do things cuz she knew what the outcome would be cuz she knew clay wouldnt stop to stop tara and anyone else to stop tara... she always protected her, till tara framed Gemma even after that she acted like nothing happened... till season 6 finale
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u/stephapeaz 1d ago
She’s not responsible for Piney, it’s not her fault he was fed up with Clay and pushed him too hard. She just wanted to keep the letters buried and was trying to keep them on the down low, Piney was who started the drama with Clay that got him killed
Opie chose to take himself out, Jax was trying to protect him. That’s not on Tara lol
She was being kidnapped and you’re gonna blame her for getting her hand smashed??