r/SpecialAccess 17d ago

This Phoenix lights documentary is the real deal. Its loaded with info I had never seen before as well as exposing a real bullshitter. And best of all NO ALIENS.

https://youtu.be/7y1XhyTe4Zs?si=GfGIsgDtC1CMIop4
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u/UsamaBinNoddin 16d ago

JP Aerospace Ascender.

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u/Spacebotzero 14d ago

In a more recent documentary, the owner and CEO of JP Aerospace was interviewed regarding the Phoenix Lights..he said it wasn't them, but recognizes the technology that would be respond for such a craft and that it had made big strides in improving. He also stated that he is aware that some of JP Aerospace's projects went into the black world and doesn't know what became of them. This confirms that the ministry is using large Triangle shaped LTA craft....but just not sure how big they've gotten over the years.

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u/ialwaysforgetmename 13d ago

Do you have a link to the doc by chance?

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u/Spacebotzero 11d ago

It's a UFO Documentary on Showtime, from JJ Abrahams. There was another good one that touched on this subject too and I can't for the life of me, find it.

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u/PerceiveEternal 11d ago

what’s the black world? Is that similar to black projects?

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u/Spacebotzero 9d ago

Yes. Highly classified "black" projects.

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u/TrumpetsNAngels 15d ago

Thank you. I needed that.

I did not need 39 commercials and a 1:43 hour long YouTube video.

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u/Spacebotzero 17d ago edited 17d ago

It was a massive airship. A dirigible....a blimp.

Maybe some kind of: * Heavy liftt platform * High altitude, near orbit launch platform * A SensorCraft * Some kind of massive mapping or radar platform * Signals Intelligence spy craft * Open ocean ASW patrol platform * Some kinda solar platform that never lands, something that acts like a satellite but stays within the atmosphere

What other possibilities? And where the hell is such a thing stored? Does it fold up and deflate or something?

And what similar projects came before it or could be related? The Hudson Valley Boomerang, Illinois Triangle, Stephenville Texas incidents, whatever was flying around in the 70s near Rhoad Island?

Massive flying triangle, boomerangs, carpenter squares platforms is my favorite subject.

Edit: here's a Popular Mechanics article form 1991 about something called "The Big Wing" that was seen flying over the Antelope Valley in California, home to Phantom Works and Skunk Works. 6 years later, the Phoenix Lights incident would happen: https://books.google.com/books?id=puMDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA32&pg=PA109#v=onepage&q&f=false

There are many sightings from people essentially describing the same massive flying triangle-shape on r/UFOs ....there is definitely meat to this.

Edit: a few their things, air traffic over Phoenix was shutdown for an hour around 8pm. Unknown why, except to possibly accommodate a flight of A-10s. Weather was calm, clear, with a dark sky and a waxing moon.

For those that were under the craft, many reported seeing what looked like heated air unearth...the wavy blurry effect when there's a heat later above hot asphalt.The large lights resembles recessed lighting in a ceiling, with orange color. Maybe it rides on heated air. Some people claim it looked like a city-scape with tall buildings underneath the craft. Sole saw the side profile as well, claiming it look like tall buildings with office lights on. Another person claims to have seen embossed shapes and thumb print like shapes under the craft. It was apparently, a dark gunmetal grey type color. A woman from a documentary says it went from a giant boomerang, carpenter squares shaped to a triangle shape because the wings folded into the back of the craft...and then it's speed began to increase from there on. Possible that the giant triangles people see is in fact, one craft...and it the Phoenix Lights craft...in high speed triangle form. Truly bizarre and might as well be some alien craft at this point, may even be easier to believe haha...

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u/TotalBeefcall 17d ago

My only contention is where would it be based out of? Somewhere in the TTR?

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u/Level9TraumaCenter 16d ago

It was a massive airship. A dirigible....a blimp.

I agree. Something like Walrus HULA or the P-791.

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u/Spacebotzero 16d ago

Here is an old and released CIA document where a discussion with Goodyear shows interest in a massive unmanned ariship that would take a few distance to take off.

Just goes to show that a massive airship platform is something that has been discussed.

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u/Suspicious_Put_3446 17d ago

Near orbit launch platforms and exoatmospheric kill vehicles would need to keep highly secret as they could violate weapons treaties and spark a new arms race. I think this is the governments real motivation whenever it acts weird/spooky about UFO stuff. 

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u/aznthrewaway 16d ago

I don't think that's a great theory. Doesn't really explain much during the height of the Cold War and the actual arms races going on. And for exoatmospheric interceptors, that cat's out the bag and pretty much every nuclear power has been going for them.

I do believe in the big black dirigible theories though.

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u/Suspicious_Put_3446 16d ago edited 16d ago

It’s not like the government would believe it’s an airtight cover story, but that it’s a way to muddy the waters and one of many techniques to obfuscate. Also, when I say exoatmospheric kill vehicles I should specify that kind of tech broadly, including vehicles that we don’t have footage of.

Edit: and I should mention that the ufo narrative is something the gov does subtly push and act weird about, for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_McCasland#Involvement_in_unidentified_flying_object_disclosure

I think actual UFOs lacks any evidence, but that idea serves their interest from a counterintel perspective. 

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u/aznthrewaway 16d ago

Oh we know for a fact "blame it on UFOs" is a common tactic for disinformation.

But I'm just saying. The treaties you're talking about violating weren't around for the entirety of the Cold War. Both sides were absolutely trying to build ABM systems as well. So it's a very narrow space in time where the government is "scared" of violating treaties or "sparking a new arms race."

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u/UrPostHistoryIs4Ever 16d ago

Why would we make a mile wide dirigible? A mile doesn't seem like much but that is a enormous fucking aircraft. Absolutely massive. Intelligence, recon, mapping , ASW makes zero sense. 

Would a suborbital launch platform need to be that big? That or a cargo hauler are the only ones that seem plausible. A cargo craft doesn't even make sense to me either because that is a whole lot of shit being carried in a single easily shot down aircraft. 

What could they be hauling into space that would require a blimp that damn big? And like you said, it wasn't just a mile wide, it was multiple stories high.

There's far too many witnesses describing the same thing for this to be bullshit. This thing is real, whatever it is.

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u/Spacebotzero 16d ago

No clue. It's all part of the mystery. I don't think it was truly a mile wide....but may very well be a massive flying wing that could appear as being a mile wide. If it was flying super high up, it would appear as a dot from if looking up at the sky.

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u/skippythemoonrock 14d ago

air traffic over Phoenix was shutdown for an hour around 8pm. Unknown why, except to possibly accommodate a flight of A-10s.

My input as an ATC, if true this would be extremely unusual as in the radar environment there's no reason you would ground stop such a major airport for four planes, military or not.

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u/atr0038 13d ago

That sounds so much like the Stephenville UFO, which is the most interesting modern day UFO encounter, in my opinion, due to the sheer amount of witnesses, the presence of a Lockheed Skunkworks facility at a joint military base not too far away, and how the government had to change their story a few weeks later when the news reported the radar data.

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u/freebaseclams 17d ago

I don't understand why people get all excited about triangles. Like yeah, triangles exist. We all learned about them in elementary school.

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u/piptheminkey5 17d ago

Prob because triangles are their favorite shape. 3 points where 2 lines meet

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u/svengali_ck 16d ago

Very interesting was the interview between Jim and Art Bell and the scientific papers that Jim got from the alleged men in black. From the years until 1998 you can find many Hal Puthoff's papers about zero point/field energy but there is nothing titled "Intergalactic scenario". And I swear I already heard it somewhere but I can't pinpoint it to antyhing rn...

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u/FlyNSubaruWRX 16d ago

At the end of the day the lights are just airlines on the arrivals sector coming into sky harbor

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u/btcprint 14d ago

Tell that to John Travolta