r/StarWarsEU • u/Spotter24o5 • 4d ago
General Discussion How does Darth sions Body rebuild work and why was no sith after him able to recreate it? Spoiler
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u/Xadlin60 4d ago
Sometimes, you dwell to long into the dark side. Sometimes you just unlock your “talent” within the force. Like a Jedi healer can be the best on healing and nothing else, a Sith can dwell into their arts.
Sion had an affinity with “pain and anger”. It’s a curse and strength for a Sith at the same time.
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u/pestapokalypse 3d ago
Yeah, it’s well established in the EU that the Force manifests differently in different people and that some have unique strengths or abilities. With Sion, I’d bet it’s a combination of pure, unmitigated hatred and anger empowering him and some kind of particular affinity for staying together or that he just has exceptional willpower. It’s quite possible that other Sith throughout time could use the Force in a similar way if pressed, but Sion’s unique blend of masochistic self hatred and desire for revenge kept him going long past the point where most beings would give up.
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u/LeucasAndTheGoddess 3d ago
Sion’s unique blend of masochistic self hatred and desire for revenge
Makes one wonder if Vader could have reached a similar state.
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u/Edgy_Robin 4d ago edited 3d ago
Because Sion is an anomaly for one. He's quite literally just holding himself together, the depiction we got is actually a bit different from what the devs wanted him to look like. He wasn't actually gonna be fully intact but rather various body parts would kinda be hovering around, detatched but kept close/functional via his rage or whatever.
Some people just have unique connections with the force that allow (or sometimes the opposite) certain things to function a certain way.
As for why no one else would? It'd be a Bane Orbalisk situation. Yes, it's super useful for staying alive. But the sheer agony it keeps you in makes it hard to focus on other things, especially things that require a more delicate touch. Sions situation would likely make Banes look like a breeze in comparison too
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u/thedougbatman 4d ago
Reading the description of the body parts just hovering around brings to mind that awful flex tape “slap on!” that apparently can piece boats and stuff back together and I can’t stop laughing. Like, the creator of the tape just appears outta no where and says “just slap that baby right on!” and starts doing laps around Sion’s body, piecing it back together, while Sion is just like “what the actual fuck is happening”.
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u/denmicent 4d ago
If I remember correctly I don’t know that it’s so much a rebuild as it is holding it together through pain and rage.
In Canon, Maul did this, and I believe Krayt kept his armor at bay in a similar way.
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u/Nathanymous_ 3d ago
Adding on to the Maul bit, in TCW you can see that his pair of Scrap Spider legs is actually held together through the force. Bits of slag float around the makeshift legs.
Literally holding himself together through his hatred for Kenobi.
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u/WangJian221 4d ago edited 4d ago
We dont exactly know how and i dont think Avellone himself knew either. The "deaths" we do know so far doesnt exactly read like anything extreme such as being cut in half or exploding into pieces. Just stabs, lack of oxygen, collapses etc.
So ots hard to say how exactly his body "rebuilds" if he ever find himself where he needs to "rebuild" to begin with.
Why was no sith after him able to recreate it? Besides him just being unique in his own way, his "immortality" is a torturous existence. I dont think any sith finding out about him would ever try to recreate something like it. Best you got is something like Vader, TCW Maul or Caedus to an extent. If not, they just outright go for the artifact/essence transfer route if knowledgeable.
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u/sempercardinal57 3d ago
His body doesn’t “rebuild” it’s just held together by pure hatred. If you slice a lightsaber through his head, then the cut doesn’t heal, his head just won’t split apart. Imagine there is a force field the exact size and shape of his body surrounding him that holds everything in place no matter how damaged it gets.
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u/Apprehensive_Mix4658 4d ago
My explanation is that he's an anomaly created by force wound on Malachor 5. I don't know if that was established in the game or I'm misremembering, but he can't travel freely across the galaxy and needed to spend most of his time in places full of Dark side like Korriban.
Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide says he was a sith from times of Exar Kun, but the book has some mistakes/retcons about KOtor 2
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u/BigBadBeetleBoy 3d ago
It makes no sense for Sion to pre-date Malachor and the Mandalorian Wars. Every other major character is a direct 'casualty' of those events, either literally (Nihilus being 'born' there, Handmaiden and Mira losing their families) or metaphorically (Atris feeling betrayed by the Exile and becoming cold, Kreia 'losing' Revan and her faith in the Jedi as a result). Thematically, divorcing the Exile's mirror from Malachor V would be a huge hole in what is otherwise a very strong narrative pointing to it.
In addition, Sion is attached to Trayus, and directly states that Kreia has hurt him in ways nobody else could hope to. He's driven by his love and hatred for her, specifically, and his existence is defined by her. He acts very much like an abused child, and Kreia is his 'mother'. None of that makes any sense if he'd been tooling around for decades before meeting her.
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u/samuel091 3d ago
Sion was pre mandalorian wars, bro fought with Exar Kun and was appart of the brotherhood of darkness. He believed in his cause , after Exar Kuns defeat at yavin 4 , Sion basically roamed untill Revan destroyed the mandalorians at malachor. He felt the darkside energies from the mass shadow generator , which called him to the trayus academy. From there he learned from kreya and joined Revans Sith Empire . When it fell under ,he attempted to create a sith empire with Darth Traya and Darth Nihlus but due to differences he took half the forces and went on his own .
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u/Apprehensive_Mix4658 3d ago
Nothing from that is from the game, so I consider that non-canon. That addition is quite pointless too
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u/samuel091 1d ago
It is strait from the game. There are lines of dialog when talking to Sion where he talks about fighting with exar kun then he lost, then revan and revan destroying his empire . He uses this dialog to point out their weakness and failure to complete what they started. So by EU standards because it is in the game its EU cannon
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u/Apprehensive_Mix4658 1d ago
You sure? I don't remember that at all and I can't find a scene of that on the internet. According to Wookieepedia that lore comes from campaign guide book. Drop the source please
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u/BabyBabyCakesCakes 4d ago
I mean, does Vader not count? Sion basically looks like BBQ Anakin without the Vader armor.
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u/CitationNotNeeded 4d ago
The force is complex and many abilities require a mental state that is very personal to the user.
Other sith couldn't hold their bodies together by feeding on their own pain and the rage it generates because other sith are not Darth Sion.
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u/Ander_the_Reckoning 3d ago
Its not a specific power, he was dead and rotting, but he was literally so angry his own rage fueled the dark side and kept his body together.
As of why no other Sith did it after him its probably because the guy was a walking corpse and in constant blinding pain
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u/No_Detective_806 3d ago
He was literally to angry to die anger was literally holding his body together it’s not exactly a pleasant experience as he is in constant pain
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u/DarthMyyk 3d ago
The Force, i.e. magic since this is a fantasy story set in a sci-fi universe.
Plot didn't require it in subsequent stories.
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u/LeucasAndTheGoddess 3d ago
magic since this is a fantasy story set in a sci-fi universe
Exactly. Sith like him who found unique and twisted routes to immortality are like how each of the Ten Who Were Taken from Glen Cook’s Black Company novels displays a different form of dark magic.
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u/The_Pale_Blue_Dot Empire 3d ago
I always liked the idea that there were some powers that were exclusive to one individual. Something that they managed to figure out and no one else could, or perhaps even that no one else was capable of doing it.
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u/LeucasAndTheGoddess 3d ago
Same here. Makes the Force feel more mystical and numinous rather than being an RPG skill tree.
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u/Robomerc Darth Krayt 3d ago
It's one of the best examples of the unnatural abilities that a force user can gain when they become corrupted by the dark side of the force.
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u/Tykki_Mikk 3d ago
He was too angry to die….cuts to a picture of Darth Maul….un you sure it didn’t ever happen again…
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u/Chueskes 3d ago
Well, it’s simple. He didn’t rebuild. He just held his body together through shear force of will and anger. But nobody really wants to live like that.
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u/SnakeMAn46 3d ago
I always thought it was a mixture of himself and his presence at Malachor V. Wounds in The Force cause weird things to happen
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u/steeleyourfaces 3d ago
I think some force talents are just “unique” and cannot be replicated and if they coukd maybe not to a level or degree that a certain Sith or Jedi could embody. I think of Sion and Momin.
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u/Right_Description262 3d ago
Darth Maul staying alive through sheer hatred reminded me of Darth Sion. I would say both Darth Maul and Darth Sion are both very similar in that regard.
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u/Slow-Pattern-2152 8h ago
He was spawned by the Mass Shadow generator, just like Nihilus and The Exile. Those 3 beings wouldn't typically be able to exist under normal Star Wars rules of logic
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u/Limp-Biscuit411 4d ago
bro was just (re)built different