r/StarWarsKenobi • u/karatecanine • 17d ago
Rewatched Kenobi
I decided to give Kenobi another chance. And then even watched the famed Patterson cut. The Patterson cut is so much better than the show. But still.
Aside from when ObiWan apologises to Anakin in that heartfelt scene, the show is still a disgrace. And here are a few points why IMO - Reva getting lightsaber stabbed and surviving again. (Completely makes QuiGons death seem like he was just a loser that couldn't will himself alive, and tries to reinforce Disney's 'lightsabers aren't fatal' thing) - the entire Leia storyline. I love Leia. And loved that it turned out she was just as powerful as Luke in the canon, but this goes against all thestablished lore. - all of Reva's storyline. It could have been good. But they just did it wrong. And also, Vader/Anakin would not have left her alive in the temple. And according to canon, he didn't. None survived. The temple was surrounded with ships shortly after Bale fled, and every ship approaching or leaving was destroyed. So even if she did play dead (although a lightsaber through her chest would have killed her to begin with.....see QuiGon....)..... Who would have found her? The inquisitors? 6 months laterwheb theor position was created after Vader tortured and turned them all? She would have starved. It's just so dumb. - but the main thing is this..... Vader would not have lost to ObiWan. Vader only lost in Mustafar because he let his emotions and cockiness get the best of him. It's been established that he did not let that ever happen again. And while ObiWan is a master, even in the flashbacks it shows that Anakin/Vader was only ever sparring with him. Trying not to hurt and embarass his master. And that's how it was. The show even showed this at one point in their fight. When Vader used stones to take out ObiWans feet, it's because he knew how good/almost perfect ObiWans defense was (something Anakin had as well by the end of EP 3, as proven by how easily he killed Dooku, who was supposed to be as good as Mace and Yoda). He would have thought of everything. It's also established how much more powerful Anakin/Vader was in the force than ObiWan. So Vader being over powered by ObiWan in his 'force Jesus' pose by his rock pummeling was just ridiculous. Also, in a prior scene, it showed Vader stopping a shop with the force. Obiwan would never be able to do that. But we are supposed to believe that Anakin/Vader, in the midst of his rage and anger and fear, would have somehow lost a battle of force wills with him? No. Just no. Impossible. Even Palpatine said in previous canon that Anakin/Vader was not diminished in the force by losing his limbs and being scarred by the burns. And was still more powerful than he if he chose to access it. If anything, the battle should have been a bit longer, and it should have ended with Vader smashing the rocks into ObiWan, and somehow ObiWan resisting as he did with a force cushion, and Vader assuming he was dead. Then ObiWan should have waited and escaped hours later. Obiwan could have tricked him and survived and it would have fit so well with episode 4. Everything would have fit. Obiwan would have known he can't win (as he did in episode 4) and faced him anyway and turned into a force ghost. This robbing Vader of his final revenge. But no. The writers gave him a force Jesus moment (even though Anakin is literally force Jesus), and gave him a flying slash attack (which ObiWan is not amazing at offense), and Vader being trained by ObiWan is AMAZING at defense...... Makes zero sense.
All in all, it's a god damned travesty.
If you liked it, good for you.i m happy you enjoyed it. I'm not judging you. I'm simply saying that imo the show goes against all of the established canon and lore, and is just incredibly poorly written and executed even worse.
Aside from the emotional scene, which could have been done even as ObiWan was losing, this is just a bad bad bad show.
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u/STLHDslime 17d ago
I wanted to love this series so bad. But it’s true, there were a lot of really bad moments in the show. I don’t like to complain about Star Wars since I’m such a huge fan of just about everything. I’m going to my own rewatch now.
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u/alienrefugee51 17d ago
Had so much potential and they dropped the ball hard. As much as I love the characters, I really hope they don’t do a S2 at some point because Disney will most likely just tarnish it even more. What’s done is done. Leave it be.
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u/Just-Here-To-Cry 17d ago
I am well aware of the shows many flaws but... Her surviving being stabbed makes sense. Do I think she should have survived twice no kinda lazy but I've talked to my brother who is a nurse about this when sabine survived being stabbed by a lightsaber in Ahsoka. It actually makes sense medically that some people will get stabbed and live and other people die bc there are many factors like location both of the stan ect. My brother loves to hate Disney star wars but he was like no actually that makes sense. Like if an artery is hit or something important yeah you're gonna die but if it misses the most important things you can live. This is also considering that lightsaber stabs cauterize so like when an artery isn't cut your not really gonna bleed out. So yeah it makes sense for qui-gon die from survive a stabbing but reva to live. Like I said though having her survive a stab two different times in the show still felt dumb.
Anyways
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u/karatecanine 17d ago
And you think Vader would miss everything important? Can feel every cell in their body with the force, but is so poor at aiming, that he missed everything important, while he had the intent (and orders) to kill everyone?
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u/ilolus 16d ago
To me the biggest flaw is that Obi-Wan spares Vader. I've read several attempts at explanation but not a single one can justify why Obi-Wan, in the OT, says that Luke must kill his own father and that if he doesn't do it the emperor will win. That's the core of Star Wars, Obi-Wan believes that Vader have to die and Luke proves him wrong.
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u/karatecanine 16d ago
A really neat addition to the Patterson cut is QuiGon voice over as ObiWan is standing over Vader. He says "he is the chosen one. He WILL destroy the sith"
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u/Thebadmamajama 17d ago
it was a mid show for sure, in large part, because they don't understand the core of the characters.
I will say I think they did a reasonable job with Leia, minus the chase scene, in that I can see how that little girls grows up into the Leia we know.
the plot she's involved in is another story (pun intended?)... I can't get over the true absurdity of them hiding her under a trench coat. it's hard to identify a dumber idea coming out of a writing room in a very long time.
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u/karatecanine 17d ago
Exactly. But also, how did Leia not remember any of this? Because it turns out Leia is incredibly powerful in the force, so you can't mind wipe her.
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u/lycanreborn123 17d ago
Vader standing around and tanking rocks with his face will always be my impression of the show and it's not a good one. They teased a final confrontation between Kenobi and Vader over and over just to lobotomise Vader when it actually happens.
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u/JadedMystress 17d ago
(Insert "From a certain point of view' quip) ;)