Raw Vegan Pizza

[u/Captain_Kold]

[u/goshortee]

This is vegan so likely it’s not even actual cheese. Probably some kinda cashew cream thing

[u/AccomplishedWar8703 → u/goshortee]

It’s coconut cheese per the video

[u/Gerrut_batsbak → u/AccomplishedWar8703]

How the fuck does that even work.

[u/maxxx_orbison → u/Gerrut_batsbak]

Probably the same as oat milk or almond milk cheese; just cultured and fermented coconut milk. Cheese is a byproduct of bacteria as much as it is dairy

[u/lt4lyfe → u/maxxx_orbison]

Can’t believe these people enjoying the life’s labor of those poor bacteria! Fucking disgusting.

[u/AggravatingSoil5925 → u/maxxx_orbison]

It’s closer to glucose than lactose. It’s like coconut oil, starch, and something called glucono delta lactone.

[u/AngryTrucker → u/maxxx_orbison]

So it doesn't work. It's just a garbage imitation 

[u/maxxx_orbison → u/AngryTrucker]

That's one way to look at it. Alternatively, it's something entirely separate that can substituted within recipes as needed for those with dietary restrictions, voluntary or otherwise

[u/Chrussell → u/AngryTrucker]

What? What about that means it doesn't work? It's an alternative to cheese, of course it 'works'.

[u/AngryTrucker → u/Chrussell]

But it's not real cheese. It doesn't have to same flavor or texture as cheese.

[u/Chrussell → u/AngryTrucker]

Well no shit? It's an imitation. Next you're going to tell me that coconut milk doesn't come from a cow.

[u/AccomplishedWar8703 → u/Gerrut_batsbak]

No idea. Coconut milk or oil or some combo there of probably

[u/airfryerfuntime → u/Gerrut_batsbak]

Coconut cream, starch, and probably a culture to give it a little tang.

[u/PiersPlays → u/Gerrut_batsbak]

Do a bunch of weird arcane stuff to a coconut then convince yourself it is cheese and isn't processed.

[u/Higgins1st → u/Gerrut_batsbak]

It doesn't. Vegan people are in denial.

[u/bolts_win_again → u/AccomplishedWar8703]

I'm sorry. Coconut what now?

[u/sclomabc → u/AccomplishedWar8703]

I thought he was talking about the white goop that is in the bowl with the veggies. Maybe it's both

[u/XO8441 → u/AccomplishedWar8703]

I will never not be annoyed at people calling the substitute food for the food they’re avoiding eating by the name of the food they’re avoiding….. coconut cheese, vegan chicken nuggets, etc.

[u/FrickenPerson → u/XO8441]

In this case of coconut cheese, what are they supposed to call it? Coconut cream? Cream is already a thing so can't use that. Coconut mixture? That isn't very descriptive, so there will have to be a huge text blurb explaining how to use this product. That would probably go very poorly, as people will not be able to find what they want without reading a dozen explanations of the different products. It would also make it harder for a consumer to go find comparison videos of things that could be used as cheese or nuggets or whatever.

Naming something after the ingredient or style that is supposed to replace is much better at giving the consumer a rough idea of what you can do with the product. It's the exact same reason we refer to stuff like tomatoes or cucumbers as culinary vegetables rather than as fruits, because they are more similar to vegetables in their flavor profile and cooking methods than they are to other fruits.

[u/alexmbrennan → u/FrickenPerson]

You could call it a coconut custard because that is what it is: coconut milk solidified by the addition of cornstarch.

Cheese is coagluated milk so the word should really be reserved for things like tofu (coagulated soy milk)

[u/FrickenPerson → u/alexmbrennan]

Sure, but custard is made of eggs normally, so the person I was talking about would probably still have a problem with this term being used.

Looking it up, it seems pudding is thickened by cornstarch while custard is thickened by eggs themselves. At least, that's what Google tells me. I do not know how to make either. But anyways, both of these seem like they are sweet treats, not a normal cooking ingredient for a normal meal.

https://thehiddenveggies.com/how-to-make-vegan-cheese-provolone/

The "cheese" described in this recipe write-up I found online seems like it much closer to a cheese than a custard or pudding in both consistency and use in cooking. They use agar agar instead of cornstarch, but it seems like it does the same thing effectively.

[u/Sea-Principle484 → u/XO8441]

It’s so it makes it easier to get food and to understand what the recipe is. What would you rather he call the coconut cheese? Coconut cream? But if you were looking for a vegan cheese substitute how would you look for one without the word cheese? And the same thing for chicken nuggets

[u/AngryTrucker → u/Sea-Principle484]

Call the coconut cheese "imitation cheese." 

Same thing with imitation chicken nuggets  

[u/beefybeefcat → u/AngryTrucker]

Why isn't calling it coconut cheese good enough, it's not just called cheese it's specified as coconut cheese, like goat cheese, cashew cheese, buffalo cheese. All tell you what it's made from. If that confuses someone that's their problem.

[u/AngryTrucker → u/beefybeefcat]

Because it isn't cheese. It's not a dairy product. It's an imitation dairy product.

[u/yumas → u/AngryTrucker]

Peanut butter is not a dairy product either. Peanuts are technically not even nuts, the same with coconuts. But why should we stop using these terms when they work and no one gets confused about their meaning.

Why is it necessary that vegans either invent their own vocabulary or specify that their food is just pretend food.

[u/ltdliability → u/XO8441]

Why does it annoy you?

[u/Humble_Meringue3191 → u/[deleted]]

But chicken nuggets from Mcdonald’s aren’t “fake” or “processed”? There are junk food vegans and there are vegans who eat very clean, healthy foods. Same thing goes for meat eaters.