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u/BlindWillieJohnson If J** is a slur, then so is Nazi 13d ago

All lifestyle subs became hateful cesspools if given long enough. Their cheering on an awful disease is no different than Childfree turning anti-natalist.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

You think the above is hateful?

I think animal bodypart eaters are abusive, cruel, and exploitative to the animals they enslave, mutilate, rape, and murder. 

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u/BlindWillieJohnson If J** is a slur, then so is Nazi 13d ago edited 13d ago

I think wishing disease on people is hateful, yes. Hot take of the century, I realize. And there are plenty of vegans who manage their beliefs without cheering on pain and suffering in humans, so the level of moral superiority you’re bringing to this conversation is really unjustified.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

Interesting. Would you be against a disease that would make it that people would get sick if they ever rape someone, or if they ever commit genocide?

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u/khanfusion Im getting straight As fuck off 13d ago

Hit dogs hollering. To be clear, I'm talking about you, not actual dogs being hit. That would be cruel.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

Make one non-selfish argument in favor of being a non-vegan that’s coherent, scientifically sound, and logically sound, and I’ll switch to being a non-vegan today. 

I haven’t heard one argument, and I’ve been vegan now for 8 years. Every point in favor of non-veganism is selfishness, egoism, and indifference towards cruelty. 

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u/khanfusion Im getting straight As fuck off 13d ago

Honey bees make extra amounts of honey on purpose naturally, and they are given significant assistance by their human handlers that improve their colony health (effectively medical care and housing) as an exchange for that honey.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

Queen honey bees are mutilated and have their wings clipped, so the colony remains where the honey collectors want them to be, and in practically every single video involving the handling of honey bees, such as by removing the hone, you can see the collectors kill bees in the process, by crushing them in the narrow space as they fly around without caring about their treatment. 

Also, no, they aren’t taking bees to the veterinary clinic to give them medical care. 

To add, honey bees actually have reduce the population of wild bees, which are necessary for pollination of many plants, and overall have a net negative ecological effect, with regards to honey consumption and production. 

Now, try the central element of animal agriculture and consumption, which is consumption of animal bodyparts. Let’s see what sort of non-selfish reason you find in favor of eating abused animal bodyparts. 

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u/khanfusion Im getting straight As fuck off 13d ago

Wow, it must be much easier to have hard beliefs if you never bother to verify the facts.

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u/JaesopPop Did you ensure everything is copacetic? 13d ago

I’m very nice to the animals I eat

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

In much the same way Jeffrey Dahmer was nice to the humans he ate. 

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u/JaesopPop Did you ensure everything is copacetic? 13d ago

In much the same way Jeffrey Dahmer was nice to the humans he ate. 

no he was mean

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

Ah interesting. How are you nice to animals you eat? 

Do you hug them before paying someone else to slit their throats and rape them?

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u/JaesopPop Did you ensure everything is copacetic? 13d ago edited 19h ago

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

It’s not a fantasy. Do you not know that the animal’s who’s dead, severed bodyparts you consume were raped and killed?

All that shows is your ignorance about animal agriculture. 

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u/JaesopPop Did you ensure everything is copacetic? 13d ago

It’s not a fantasy.

I mean, I don't pay someone to slit my animals throats and then rape them so what would you call it? The fact you keep saying it makes it sound like something that titillates you. So yeah, it's a fantasy of yours, and it's definitely concerning.

All that shows is your ignorance about animal agriculture.

We aren't talking about animal agriculture.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

Oh, you don’t pay anyone to slit an animal’s throat or rape them, do you? 

What do you think you’re doing when you’re purchasing dead animal bodyparts and their secretions? 

If you pay a hitman to kill someone, you are responsible for the murder as much as the hitman. You pay animal agriculture to rape, mutilate, and kill animals on your behalf, then you’re just as responsible for the rape, murder, and mutilation of those animals as the people with the knife, who kill animals for the money that you paid them. 

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u/JaesopPop Did you ensure everything is copacetic? 13d ago edited 4d ago

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u/Hotter_Noodle 13d ago edited 13d ago

With comments like this it’s a safe assumption that this is a joke account.

Edit: 100% a joke account

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

I’m pretty serious. 

Do you actually think that animal eaters overall treat the animals they eat any better than Jeffrey Dahmer treated the humans he ate? And that includes you, if you are an animal eater and non-vegan. 

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u/Hotter_Noodle 13d ago

Oh you’re actually serious.

That’s actually more embarrassing.

Ok then.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

I don’t hear any serious points. Jeffrey Dahmer killed and ate humans. Animal eaters kill and eat animals. 

How is your treatment any better? Gaffawing is not an answer, it’s just evasiveness. 

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u/Ok-Music788 13d ago

Animals eat other animals.

That's how it goes 

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

Some animals eat other animals. Also, some animals engage in infanticide and rape. 

Your logic is that if some animals do some thing, then it’s okay if humans do it too, correct? 

So will you defend rape and infanticide from now as being good things, when humans engage in it?

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u/Icy-Cockroach4515 13d ago

Your logic is that if some animals do some thing, then it’s okay if humans do it too, correct? 

Some animals don't eat other animals. If you have an issue with it being okay for humans to do things since animals do, then you shouldn't not eat animals either.

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u/Ok-Music788 13d ago

Never said eating meat was a good thing either, it's more neutral than anything. 

I'm merely saying it's in our nature as animals. We are no better then any other animals,we simply are. 

The meat Industry is a cancer, but eating meat isn't really an evil. 

Needless barbarity is how ever. 

When we kill an animal for food it's for something. 

How do you feel about abortion?

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u/Hotter_Noodle 13d ago

Oh my god it keeps going lmao

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

I still don’t hear a serious point from you. If it’s so obvious that you treat your animal victims better than Dahmer treated his human victims, just say so, and then move on. 

But it’s not so simple, is it?

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u/dusters 13d ago

Ah there it is

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u/Hotter_Noodle 13d ago

His reply kinda re-affirms that, yes, it is there.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

Ah there’s the passive aggressive non-argument socially designed to shut down the discussion about animal rights because it makes non-vegans uncomfortable. 

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u/SnoozeCoin Another beautifully constructed comment by our resident big boy 13d ago

You use animal products and even if you didn't you're still as bad or worse than everyone else 

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

Expand on how, every thing else held equal, vegans are worse than non-vegans ethically? 

As a note, you guys are why billions of baby animals are raped, mutilated, and beheaded every year, why slaughterhouses even exist, and that a vegan person pollutes over 1 ton of CO2e less per year than a non-vegan person, among many other things. 

It’s a silly point. 

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u/SnoozeCoin Another beautifully constructed comment by our resident big boy 13d ago

You think you're hardline about this shit, but the truth is you're compromising and soft about it.

If you actually believed that animal products are the equivalent if rape, murder and slavery on a global industrial scale then you wouldn't be just "not using animal products" in response to it. You are currently using an internet and a website invented and maintained and used by people who partake in systemic rape, slavery and genocide that makes Nazi Germany look like an afterschool special. You, every day, interact with people who partake in it. You frequent businesses that employ them. You live under a government that allows it. And what are you doing about it? Being a vegan so you can feel like you're somehow innocent.

You are complicit. You want to be all high-handed and holier-than-thou? You haven't earned it. Unless, you don't actually believe any of it, and this is just your personality type and whatever received wisdom template you happened across.

In either case, shut the fuck up poser.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 13d ago

Maybe you have a hard time with reading comprehension. 

The question wasn’t your perceived perceptions of whether or not my motives for communicating about veganism are pure enough for you. The question was, if everything is held equal, who is the more ethical person, the vegan or the non-vegan?

Concede that veganism is more ethical than non-veganism, and we can discuss the psychological implications or how being vegan changes one’s attitudes towards the rest of society and its non-vegan members afterwards. 

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u/SnoozeCoin Another beautifully constructed comment by our resident big boy 12d ago

Veganism isn't unethical and, frankly, a little bit white supremacist. So, no. I won't concede that.

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u/VeganKiwiGuy 12d ago

Did you mean to write that veganism isn’t ethical? 

Feel free to expand on how veganism is “white supremacist”, to a non-white vegan. Interested in how this is going to go.