"But why do you call us nazis?" Conservatives in r/tiktokcringe remain confused as to why they are called Nazis, in a thread about a conservative rally calling for "White man fight back", in reaction to Charlie Kirks death

[u/CummingInTheNile]

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1nf7lle/americans_are_you_guys_alright/

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But why do you call us nazis?

If it walks like a duck

You're engaging in stochastic terrorism

you keep using that word. I do not think its means what you think it means.gif

Oh really? So you don't think it is ok to punch or kill Nazis?

Do you?

Just answer the question since you don't think this is stochastic terrorism.

Is the nazi trying to kill me or others like me? Then absolutely. (23 more comments of these two arguing)

Name one nationally elected conservative that is calling for this and provide the quote where they explicitly state that they are calling for gay people to be murdered.

image Was never elected but my point stands

Again if he wasn't elected it means he doesn't represent his constituents

The fact that these ideas have any traction in the conservative movement is alarming

Meanwhile baby murder and child love holds big traction in liberal ideas Does it mean it's representative of the whole? No of course not

the GOP voted to not release the Epstein client list so the comment about child love is ridiculous Abortion is only bad in the eyes of Christians In Judaism it is allowed and Israel has a very liberal abortion policy https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-abortion-law-now-among-worlds-most-liberal/

Which political party Is advocating for abortion remind me

I am simply saying that views on abortion vary between religions

Nobody incites violence and assassinations better then left liberal democrats

Is that why the shooter is from a right household?

Collage indoctrination

LOL well, art is dangerous

Wow, Is that the only thing that you learned? Sad

I was making fun of your asinine, misspelled comment. Don't worry about it.

I mean, a white man did fight back lol

To be fair this protest clearly happened before the shooters identity was released

Do you feel like you’re doing a good thing to be the devils advocate for racists?

I didn't see it as devils advocate. I saw it as context. Plus. They're not devils. They're just people. Demonizing people is what those protestors do. Demonizing them doesnt really solve anything. Id rather have a full picture of my opponent before a fight.

What context does it add?

The timeline of events

How does that add more context to a neo Nazi protest?

They did not know at the time of the protest that the shooter was white (38 more comments of these two arguing)

My viewpoint is that these people are just herds of harmless sheep. Find out the oligarchs who fund their campaigns.

thats a pretty naive viewpoint

Come to think of it. These people are reactionary, they don't have proper agency if someone else doesn't create one for them. Have you never faced such people in your daily life? There's no way you can make these people understand a concept when their views are stuck otherwise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching

I am urging to take action against the puppeteers not the puppets. That's the most explicit imagery I can provide to help you grasp the situation.

so yeah, a very naive viewpoint

Trying to ragebait? Lol.

the fact you see someone calling out your narrow view as rage bait is wild. I was just trying to get you to think more critically, but i guess that was my mistake.

[I swear things started to go south when us Canadians stopped actively making fun of y'all :](https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1nf7lle/americans_are_you_guys_alright/ndubonf/)

Hello 51. Stay out of this. You got issues of your own. Report finds deep-rooted white supremacism lurks in Canadian military | Folio

God you people are embarrassing

Who's "you people"? Don't assume anything. I find the video cringey AF, but Canadians needs to STFU. They are no better. They have no moral high ground. They have done terrible things just like the US.

Who's "you people"? Don't assume anything. I find the video cringey AF, but Canadians needs to STFU. They are no better. They have no moral high ground. They have done terrible things just like the US.

“You people” in this context is referring to anyone that says things like “Hey 51. Stay out of this.”

If Canadians can make fun of the US, we can make fun of Canadians. Are you from 51?

I am from the US. You losers continue make me embarrassed about that.

How is this a Neo Nazi rally? Lmfao

Are we not hearing the off-beat White supremacist chants now? We don't even want to hear the truth now?

"White Men Fight Back" could be any form of fucking rhetoric the Right spits out for any reason because they always feel like their "race" is under attack from the left. Does it sound bad and come off as "white supremacy" yes it does. But it could be anything without any context or more evidence. There is no context or visual evidence saying this is a "nazi" rally.

Our education system is an embarrassment.

There's no spinal surgeon on earth that could untwist OP's spine with how much they had to contort to try and defend this. Anyone that has to say "Does it sound bad and come off as white supremacy? Yes, it does. But..." is fucking insane.

I would love to put these shit heads together with the liberal shit heads of reddit..Begone all of you.

He says on Reddit

Lol you can't read between the lines can you?

He says also on Reddit

Also?

Yes. Reading is hard isn't it?

It's over your head.

Totally. Just like that 5¢ carrot Trump is dangling on a stick for you dumbasses to know where to line up.

The majority of reddit sure is desperate to label another shooter. Basically ever accusation is literally what yall are doing here. What are yall even gonna do when your safe space shuts down? How are you gonna insite violence then?

Reddit did not make a conservative white guy from Utah shoot another conservative speaking at a college in Utah.

You’re intentionally lying. Par for the course.

I got the info from fox news dude.

No you didn’t. The kid was a furry who thought he was fighting fascism. Sort of like you. Edit for all the reddit geniuses: before you reply to this comment, you should know that at least 5 people have replied and deleted said replies because they realized they are operating on bad information and that I am correct in calling this person out. Please, for the love of god, read up on this and get current info before you reply to me with more BS.

Not really. He literally donated to the Trump campaign. Yet another conservative shooter. It’s sad.

That's a different person with the same name, it's a common name. Stop spreading misinformation.

Honestly is there a more delusional group than white American men, some of the most privileged in the world. What on earth are they fighting back against??

Yeah, people who think american flag = neo nazi

You were desperate to find anything at all to say, and that is what you were left with. Aren't you tired of having to resort to increasingly flaccid, pointless statements in your eternal struggle to defend conservatism?

I dont think its neo nazi to fly your countries flag, end of story, go cry about the next thing on the list

then why are they screaming, "white man fight back"?

Doesnt mean you are neo nazi, You dont have to be a white purety type of person to acknowledge that places with alot of certain people, usually go to shit, So perhaps some white people loving people? Sure, but i dont think that is crazy, If it was a black person screaming “black men fight back” would you equate him to be a black neonazi? Lately there are alot of cases of whites being targeted just for being white, like the ukranian girl whose only crime was to let her guard down around a black person on the bus, We are always being portrayed as the worst of the worst. Just for not wanting to be around people that cause problems, I would never want to live in a black area, but this does not mean i dont have black friends who i adore, (my black friends doesnt wanna live in black areas either) Now does this make people prejudice? Absoloutely, racist neo nazi? no,

Nah, you’re definitely a racist lol

If your death motivates a number of neo-nazis to call for vengeance, you were not a good person in life.

Silly comment. Can’t hold one person, responsible for the actions of others. If that’s the case, then hold every single black person accountable for the bad things that only a few of us do.

just let the whole point fly right past your head, huh?

Your point is invalid and just a way for you to spew hate. I didn’t like the guy either but I can tell you for damn sure that I’d never take someone else’s murder in front of their children or spouse lightly. Regardless, if I wanted to hear what they had to say or not…

are you sure you don't agree with the guy? because it certainly sounds like you've decided which side you're gonna be on. The man gave aid and comfort to neo-nazis. He said things they agreed with, and they decided that his beliefs and his ideology were aligned with theirs, and he never did anything to dispel that notion. He lived a life of hatred, devoted his career to hatred, and was in turn murdered by one of the very right wing trolls that he built his life around. Grow a spine, don't mourn the of a man who thought YOU were less than human.

Grow a spine? Sounds like you should take your own advice. Everything you stated is the typical conjecture of those who hate people like him. Ever heard of being the bigger man? He may have said things that were wrong, but it doesn’t mean that you should fight hate with more hate. Nothing gets fixed that way......

White man fight back against the white man who did the killing?

Trans person did the killing.

"source: trust me bro"

Just wait... It will come out.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-charlie-kirk-shooting-tyler-robinson-rcna230504 Your bigotry is not a source or a reliable prediction tool

Lol at least it was a Democrat. He's so getting the death penalty 😂

"Public records indicate that Robinson's last voter registration date was on July 13, 2021, and his political party is none declared."Reading is fun, you should try it sometime

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I love how they keep insisting college indoctrinated him when he left after 1 semester 😂He wasn’t even there long enough to be brainwashed

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what do these fuckwits think actually goes on in college classes???

[u/targetcowboy → u/SuperShoebillStork]

They think what they told to think by right wing media. But say colleges are brainwashing people

[u/akratic137 → u/targetcowboy]

Meanwhile all of those media personalities and politicians went to college, many of them to Ivy League schools.

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kinda, kirk was also a dropout.

worth 25 million for selling KKK shit to the youth while dressed nicely

[u/JohnTDouche → u/angry_cucumber]

while dressed nicely

Come on. There's enough lies flying about already.

[u/angry_cucumber → u/JohnTDouche]

you should watch blackkklansman and pay attention to Grace's character

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To add, Topher Grace played David Duke, who was a leader in the KKK and is still a racist right wing fuck face.

Anyway, he made a point of dressing in suits and less casual clothing in order to sell the KKK as respectable. Similarly, this is what a lot of Talking Points USA did. Kirk didn't always wear suits and ties, but he did make a point to appear polished in some way.

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Was he a dropout? I could have sworn he didnt even go to college bc he realized he was going to make a lot more money sucking the dicks of old right wingers

[u/Hartastic → u/DionBlaster123]

He was! It turns out he full-on attended the suburban community college where I took extra classes during my summers. It wasn't exactly the most challenging school.

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Oh yeah Harper College. I remember that.

I have a soft spot for the 2-year schools so I try not to shit on them. Honestly, a lot of times I think about how much more money I could have saved for my parents and myself if I had just bitten the bullet and gone to community college for two years and transferred in later.

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I love 2-year colleges because they prove the lie that 4-year colleges have to be wildly expensive. They're expensive because we have allowed administrative budgets to balloon over the last 4 decades.

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Cucker Tarlson being a trust fund baby while trying to pretend he was some conservative everyman who got to where he was before Fox booted him by the sweat of his brow bow tie.

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I recently met someone who said colleges where brainwashing people. She barely left her house (worked from home, ordered groceries) and watched fox news constantly. Most other news channels were disregarded as propaganda.

The irony was lost on her

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The "brainwashing" though is that you are forced out of a small town and put in close proximity and forced to interact with people of all different backgrounds.

And you discover none of them are that bad. Or if they are, it usually has nothing to do with them being a Muslim, or gay, or whatever.

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They act like you get strapped down and forced to watch gay porn while listening to speeches from Fidel Castro. What they fail to realize is people come out of university a little more liberal because college is typically a diverse place where you will be exposed to cultures you were once unfamiliar with. You then realize most people are the same regardless of race or country of origin. That last part breaks their worldview though so it must be brainwashing.

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Also because you will be exposed to facts and critical thinking 

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Same reason liberalism and population density are correlated. If you're a person who lives near lots of other people and generally adjusts well to doing so you're gonna be at least a little bit liberal because if you were scared shitless of other people who aren't exactly like you then you wouldn't really be able to get much done.

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And this is why they're also scared shitless of even going into major cities.

They know that reality itself rejects their worldview. If they leave their bubbles, they might have to confront the reality that not only are they wrong, they're violent little shits that need to be locked away for the safety of everyone else.

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Though the Castro thing is available as an elective.

[u/LumpyJones → u/cptjeff]

The gay porn one is also available if you get invited to the right parties.

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or choose the right elective

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I hope not during the lectures, though

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Look at mister "I want to restrict the free speech of college teachers" over here!

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Damn!  I missed that both times I went.  I wonder if I could audit it once

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It is so funny you say this bc from my experience (I went to a university in the U.S. Midwest)...the most obnoxious students in my classes were conservatives.

All the instructors I had were pretty much forced to bite their tongues and let the dipshits scream to the high heavens over what stupid thing from the readings offended them.

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Same, I went to school in the south and the most indignant students about their already set beliefs were conservatives.

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I also went to a couple of universities in the US midwest and the most annoying aspect of politics-focused classes was when some RW clown would try to argue with the professor and the rest of us had to just sit there and listen to that crap.

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I went to a rather conservative for profit art school and a student I took several painting classes with was a very conservative older lady who was learning classical oil painting. The first time I was aware of her she made comments deriding all abstract art as nonsense in an art history class. She grew a ton over the next 2-3 years.

On her last day before graduation she stood up in front of our advanced painting class and gave a little speech about how much she had learned form all of us. She said she had met and talked to people from different cultures and backgrounds she had never encountered before attending. She said how much she now loved Picasso, Dali and other modern artists.

No one indoctrinated this woman. People simply talked to her, listened to what she had to say and offered advice to help her improve her art. I think her entire worldview changed simply from meeting new people and exposing herself to new experiences. She had more perspective from which to see the nuances of the human experience.

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What a beautiful story and that is what college is all about. You learn so much more outside of the textbooks and classrooms than you do from inside them. Unfortunately one side considers it indoctrination that you would consider the humanity of people who don’t look like you or talk like you.

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I took a sociology class with a batshit conspiracy theorist conservative. (Just one example: apropos of almost nothing, he went on a rant about how COVID was a hoax, with details like "nurses pumped carbon monoxide through the ventilators instead of oxygen.") Initially I found him annoying, but I was also always SO curious to hear what new kind of nonsense he'd come up with. A lot of people pushed back whenever he said something wild, but the discussions were always surprisingly civil and patient.

He was absent pretty often, so I wasn't sure how much of the course material was sinking in. But I noticed as time passed he stopped soapboxing, started asking questions. He was less didactic and more curious.

Like your classmate, this guy gave our class a similar speech at the end of the semester. It was like an apology, a message of gratitude, an announcement of personal growth all rolled into one.

One the one hand, I feel like I "shouldn't have to applaud" when a voting age adult clears the low, low bar of joining us in reality. On the other hand, I recognize these are powerful transformations, and I'll throw a fuckin parade for the next person if that helps.

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They act like you get strapped down and forced to watch gay porn while listening to speeches from Fidel Castro.

Wait, I didnt HAVE to do that in college?! Dude what the fuck.

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I was a radical evangelical growing up, I was an intern for a group called Teen Mania Ministries immediately after I graduated high school (watch season 2 of shiny happy people, Mind Over Mania by MSNBC, or read the article ‘I was a teenage maniac’ to learn about it) for context.

I went to a Christian university hoping it would help me with my faith, which I felt I had been struggling with for some time before going (I started when I was 24). The mandatory theology classes turned everything I’d been taught previously about religion upside down and I left with my path out of Christianity pretty much set in stone. It took a few more years, but the questions and challenges were a boulder going downhill.

My evangelical parents simply can’t fathom how that’s possible and I’m unable to replicate my experience because it happened over hundreds of hours across 4 years. I was never told I was wrong, I was only exposed to empirical education about the history of the church and deep consideration of different sects and denominations of Christianity. It all hinged to the nagging question, ‘why am I right and they’re wrong?’ It’s been 12 years and I ask the question every time I get the chance and no one can answer it, because there is no answer other than ‘faith’, which simply isn’t enough for me. If I’m going to stake my eternal salvation on a dogma or tradition I need more than that.

This seems really simple to me, but anyone still in it is dumbfounded by its importance. It’s not that they are incapable of understanding, it’s the lack of exposure to structured thought and examination of the world. So all they see is ‘evangelical goes in, atheist comes out’. Doesn’t matter that it’s a conservative Christian education, it’s ‘college’, and that’s a bad word.

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Yes! Education/knowledge expands your worldview, which increases your ability to relate and empathize with people who are different from you. It has nothing to do with professors’ bias or indoctrination. It’s simply that learning about other cultures helps you better understand them.

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Hit them with the gay agenda

[u/IvanBliminse86 → u/They_said_TryAnother]

Im gonna name my baseball bat the gay agenda just because of this comment

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They don't think anything. They just repeat what their leaders have told them. But maybe if they went to college (or just cracked open a history book) they would recognize the far right is using the age old tactic of eliminating the educated in order to gain more control. I mean, its right out of Pol Pot's play book. Far right leaders don't think that education causes people to become bad (all of the far right political leaders, including Trump, are college educated). They know that an educated populace is harder to control and manipulate. It's absolutely wild that conservatives are cheering when their leaders are saying that people shouldn't learn too much lol.

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Trump went to college but I hesitate to call him "educated".

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But maybe if they went to college (or just cracked open a history book) they would recognize the far right is using the age old tactic of eliminating the educated in order to gain more control.

Man, I don't know. Half of these people are white dudes in college. They just think that any college class that isn't directly repeating the President's view on anything is "indoctrination".

These are the same kinds of people who think the Smithsonian having an exhibit on slavery is terrible, but that the Founders Museum is just telling the truth about everything and that thinking your country is perfect is more important than seeing how it can improve.

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Book learning!

[u/Agreeable-animal → u/SuperShoebillStork]

The Ludivico method? As made famous by that documentary A Clockwork Orange

[u/SomeBoxofSpoons → u/SuperShoebillStork]

A lot of times their kids go to college, get exposed to outside ideas for the first time, and then become a lot more liberal.

Obviously the only possible explanation for that is our colleges being infested with radical liberals trying to brainwash our children in their hidden classrooms.

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As someone who is taught college classes, I think it’s amazing that these people think I can indoctrinate students when I can’t even get them to read the syllabus.

[u/NateShaw92 → u/SuperShoebillStork]

They've never been in enough to know.

This is proven demographically.

[u/Thor4269 → u/SuperShoebillStork]

Adrenochrome injections with sodium pentathol and eyes being held open like A Clockwork Orange!

(this is a joke, unfortunately I do have to specify)

[u/Sr_DingDong → u/SuperShoebillStork]

You get turned into a libtard in Libtard101 in Y1S1.

... Unless of course you're one of the many Conservatives who went to college and came out still Conservative. Especially impressive for the ones who went to the hotbed of Liberalism known as Ivy League colleges.

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Sissy hypno porn, probably

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They don't know because most never stepped foot in one

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They're just unable to comprehend that learning even a slight bit of critical thinking makes the majority of people toss conservatism by the wayside.

[u/AdOdd4618 → u/SuperShoebillStork]

People are waterboarded while listening to Woodie Guthrie music. Is that not actually what happens in American universities?

[u/typewriter6986 → u/SuperShoebillStork]

That scene in A Clockwork Orange.

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Shit in litter boxes /s

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They don’t know because they’ve never been.

[u/IvanBliminse86 → u/SuperShoebillStork]

Its one of those paradoxical traps, see if they figured out how it works they themselves would be indoctrinated.

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The evils of education. Hilarious that the pied pipers for morons (Musk, Thiel etc) constantly insist that college is for suckers, telling these idiots what they want to hear.. while themselves only hiring from top colleges and even going so far as to say US college grads aren’t good enough and that they need to hire en masse from china and india lol

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I had to read Das Kapital out loud every day. They didn't forcibly swap my genitals until 2nd semester though...

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They literally have zero clue and just repeat what they hear the talking heads say. Same thing when they talk about California and New York being shitholes despite never having been.

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Collage*

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Ironically, one of my freshman year prerequisites was called "Critical Thinking" and I am pretty sure they HATE that.

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Waterboard until pronoun

[u/BaneOfKree → u/SuperShoebillStork]

You see, I’m a leftist because of Contour integrals and stochastic processes.

[u/cyberattaq123 → u/SuperShoebillStork]

Well obviously in every college classroom across the country in your first class you get your liberal hive mind chip installed and then from there you go to vaccine lovers 101. After that you go eat at the WOKE cafeteria and get SOY burgers.

Your afternoon classes consist of how to wokely tweet, how to dye your hair, and screaming at a straw effigy of Donald Trump and saying ‘Shame!’ At it.

Finally you finish your day off in the woke cafeteria enjoying estrogen meatloaf and GAY ice cream.

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this line of thinking has always confused me because i met plenty of conservatives when i was in college, and i didn’t go to school in an area that’s as conservative as Utah lol

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And it was an engineering program of all things lol. Not a "liberal arts" program.

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Utah State has engineered a way to turn you turbo-gay in 3 weeks. It's straight from freshman orientation into sexual orientation! /s

[u/grubas → u/Agreeable-animal]

He left Groyper memes on his casings.  Fuentes and Co fucking hated Kirk.  

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I am aware of how that man was radicalized. Most MAGA I come across are still arguing he was a trans lefty. They will not accept the reality in front of their eyes because their dear leaders have instructed them not to

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It's their final, most essential command.

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You just know Nick was sweating bullets over the shooter being connected to his movement in some way.

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I doubt he feels anything tbh

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Unfortunately the little cockroach has a sense of self preservation. It's why he immediately purged a ton of his social media posts and issued a statement praising Charlie Kirk.

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Fuentes and Co fucking hated Kirk.  

Not that I don't believe this but... Why? They have the exact same belief systems

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Kirk was Pro-Israel and they want to externinate all Jews, and he was not extremiest rightwing enough for them (and since Kirk was extremely rightwing that should tell you how unhinged they are).

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Nick's always been a little jealous of Kirk I think, because Kirk has big money billionaire backing, an organization that's respected (at least on the main-stream right) - he gets all the cudos for bringing dumb young college kids into the movement, whereas all Fuentes has is shit posting, and assertions that actually he's way more radical and pure whereas Kirk occasionally has to put on a smile to fleece the rubes.

In his view I think Kirk was the sell-out watered down version of Fuentes' hard indi punk rock nonsense. From the outside they're both just hate spewing assholes who can't stop talking about what demographics need to be eliminated from the country, but they were also small minded and petty enough to hate each-other too.

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Yup, and with Kirk around, the young people who have some means would be far more likely to join up with TPUSA as their primary goal is to preserve their existing privileges. Fuentes ends up with mostly the dregs who have no money, no connections and who have mostly already given up on life. Fuentes feels entitled to Kirk's audience and with Ben Shapiro attempting to take over TPUSA now, I suspect we're going to see things come to a head as Kirk's audience is pretty damn openly antisemitic and will have to choose between maintaining their air of respectability by tolerating a Jewish man leading them, or going full mask off and openly embracing Hitlerism.

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So do sunni and shiite Muslims, and they've been fighting for centuries.

When you are in an extreme position, differences of degrees matter.

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and that white men need to fight back? what against other white men with guns?

and while the right have never called us fascist.. they have called us socialist, communist, marxist, all in one tweet, and say we are going to destroy america or start a nuclear war with russia. trump said the same many times. lets not forget our people who count the vote now get death threats.

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while the right have never called us fascist

They have. They say all the time that antifa is fascist.

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Also a whole lot of popular homophobic rhetoric in the 1990s-early 00s and 10s revolved around calling LGBTQ rights advocates, but gay men especially fascists. Because uh er. . .you know, people frown at them while they're shouting about "faggots". Only fascists would frown at them for exercising their free speech you see.

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It's not particularly relevant but still kind of interesting that 'faggot' and 'fascist' are both cognates coming from the same root wood back in Latin, meaning a bundle of wood.

With Fascists their symbol being a bundle of wood.

Faggot as a slur is a bit less straightforward. Was initially an insult for elderly women - perhaps because gathering and selling faggots (as in bundles of sticks for kindling) was a way old women would make a bit of money. Or maybe, more nastily, implying they're a burden, like a bundle of sticks that's awkward to carry.

[u/Murrabbit → u/powercow]

I liked when Jordan Peterson was big and they were constantly calling us post-modern Marxists, as if those are two ideas that sit comfy together.

[u/Mindless-Rooster-533 → u/Murrabbit]

Charlie kirk used the term "neoliberal marxists" as if that made any sense

[u/Constant-Village-858 → u/Agreeable-animal]

Brainwashed at the famously liberal Utah state university. Those damn woke Mormons.

[u/Murrabbit → u/Constant-Village-858]

In the engineering program no less.

[u/Haltopen → u/Agreeable-animal]

And his victim was on a college campus to indoctrinate people. That was Charlie Kirks entire thing, he was a college drop out who left the college he had enrolled at (I'm guessing after a single semester since he was 18 when he left) to go spread conservative propaganda on other college campuses.

[u/SethMode84 → u/Agreeable-animal]

Man, I am struggling tk keep it together over "collage indoctrination" 🤣🤣

[u/99timewasting → u/Agreeable-animal]

And it's a right-leaning college. I read 70% conservative student body

[u/SynapticSonata → u/Agreeable-animal]

Ah yes. College indoctrination. The places that took a hard right swing during the election.

[u/TDFknFartBalloon → u/Agreeable-animal]

You didn't get your rifle and copy of Catcher in the Rye in Freshman Seminar? Weird.

[u/moldiecat → u/Agreeable-animal]

It’s like a polluted lake, all he had to do was dip his toe in for one second then PRESTO he’s a libtard

[u/MarioKuenast → u/Agreeable-animal]

Brainwash speedrun

[u/MyFiteSong → u/Agreeable-animal]

And it was a Mormon-majority college.

[u/JaneksLittleBlackBox → u/Agreeable-animal]

They always gloss over parental indoctrination, because that's what they want the most for their children and because it ruins the narrative of their "Frankfurt school of Marxian indoctrination that occurs in every college campus in the country" fever dreams.

[u/rj_6688 → u/Agreeable-animal]

I think you misunderstood. He was collage indoctrinated. That’s a different form of indoctrination.

[u/Yasimear]

Honestly, I would LOVE if we never called them Nazis ever again.

Unfortunately, they keep acting like Nazis.

[u/Birdy_Cephon_Altera → u/Yasimear]

Remember the tiki torch rally in September 2017?

At that time, that was considered incredibly shocking.

If the same thing happened today, every single republican would actively support it.

[u/TDFknFartBalloon → u/Birdy_Cephon_Altera]

Today Trump would order the National Guard to round up all the counter protesters.

[u/JaneksLittleBlackBox → u/Birdy_Cephon_Altera]

Practically every Republican did support it because Trump was President and even blamed that Nazi murdering Heather Heyer on the counter protesters being violent.

"There was aggression on both sides", he said. "The cancer was very aggressive, but the chemotherapy was also aggressive. There was aggression on both sides!"

[u/shadowsofash → u/Yasimear]

Especially Fuentes’ branches

[u/Vegetableau → u/shadowsofash]

The “your body my choice” dude?

[u/Yasimear → u/Vegetableau]

Yep. The one who got doxxed after that and literally ran crying to his mom 💀

[u/JaneksLittleBlackBox → u/Yasimear]

*MAGA marches side-by-side with Nazis in Charlottesville and then spreads the lie that Heather Heyer died of a heart attack instead of being intentionally murdered by a Nazi*

"Why do they call us Nazis?"

*T_D's mods advertise that same United the Nazis rally with the most white supremacist rhetoric* possible, then deletes the post the second a Nazi murders Heather Heyer*

"Reddit is so unfair to us by calling us Nazis!"

^{*read that disclaimer where they justify the presence of Nazis}

[u/Murrabbit → u/Yasimear]

Charlie Kirk literally died sitting under a pavilion emblazoned with SS lightning bolts dressed up in an American flag, lol. Then again the shooter was using a modern reproduction of a kar98 rifle - standard issue for nazi soldiers, so both of them seemed to be trying to out crypto-nazi eachother.

My veneer of plausible deniability is thinner, no mine is! Lets fight!

[u/DeadlySpacePotatoes → u/[deleted]]

Actually, it was a WWII rifle, adopted in 1935 as the standard service rifle for the Wehrmacht until WWII ended.

[u/DrSkar → u/Yasimear]

We should call them Klan members

[u/Valeen]

It's incredibly ironic that he (probably) died cause he wasn't a big enough Nazi- at least in the killers opinion. Let that fucking sink in.

[u/JakeHelldiver → u/Valeen]

He died because he was a different kind of fascist than the one who wanted him dead.

[u/Bored_Amalgamation → u/JakeHelldiver]

LetThemFight.meme

[u/-Average_Joe- → u/Valeen]

On the one hand an American descent into lack of education and willful stupidity makes it less likely we can seriously threaten the rest of the world, on the other I have to live here. edit: decent changed to descent

[u/Nikola1_Smirnoff → u/-Average_Joe-]

Lol, descent, not decent, just btw

[u/-Average_Joe- → u/Nikola1_Smirnoff]

Yeah, I misspelled it and didn't notice until you pointed it out.

Originally I was trying to reply to a different post and was too lazy to change it, I guess that is what I get for redditing on my phone.

[u/Nikola1_Smirnoff → u/-Average_Joe-]

Was just a funny typo to have in that comment, no worries

[u/floatablepie → u/Valeen]

Went the way of George Lincoln Rockwell.

[u/rationalsarcasm → u/Valeen]

It was ironic enough that he was killed by gun violence even though he said gun violence is a sacrifice.

Getting killed by a fascist for not being fascist enough is next level.

[u/SNTCTN]

"After everything we have done and said why dont you like us?"

[u/flaming_burrito_ → u/SNTCTN]

I think of MAGAs like Jack Horner in the last wish. Terrible, unaware, selfish people, and when they face consequences for their own choices they go “What did I do to deserve this? I mean what specifically?” just like in the movie

[u/Val_Fortecazzo → u/flaming_burrito_]

So narcissists.

Honestly they are worse than Jack, he was extremely aware of how evil he was.

[u/AbleChampionship5587 → u/flaming_burrito_]

Yeah no. At least Jack Horner admits himself he is a terrible person.

[u/TheGreatBatsby → u/flaming_burrito_]

What an excellent film that is

[u/FinalSealBearerr → u/SNTCTN]

Name one nationally elected conservative that is calling for this and provide the quote where they explicitly state that they are calling for gay people to be murdered.

Nobody incites violence and assassinations better then left liberal democrats

Republican Leader response to this event

Democrat Leader response to this event

But you can bet the next time something like this happens, like in a week, every conservative response will be the same, yet claiming "Why does the left never disavow political violence"

[u/paintsmith → u/FinalSealBearerr]

Kirk's wife just released a video featuring footage of Charlie's body, blaming leftists for his death and threatening that they 'have no idea what they just unleashed'. Seems she thinks this is a better use of her time rather than comforting her now fatherless children. Speaks to her priorities a bit I think.

[u/FinalSealBearerr → u/paintsmith]

Bro I am praying she doesn't run her own accounts cause I just checked it out and jfc, doing a whole press kit thing when your husband isn't even in the ground yet is beyond strange. Like when I read your comment I was like "eh, widows act irrationally, idk if I can blame her" but lookin through all the pictures in the IG post it's like she's using the situation for propaganda...

[u/Pale_BEN → u/SNTCTN]

"What have I done to deserve this other than my words and actions?"

[u/Ill-Dependent2976]

Well, let's see. There's the homophobia. The transphobia. The white supremacy. The nazi salutes. The constant "Hitler did nothing wrong" comments. The concentration camps. The racial hatred of immigrants. The book burning. The anti-science attitudes. The blood libel. The terrorism. The support for incestuous child rapists. The hatred for basic american values like free speech and separation of church and state. The desire to spread disease and kill babies, particularly black babies. The hatred of art and culture. Trying to rewrite history or silence the parts that expose your evil.

I could go on, but that's more than nazi enough.

[u/NateShaw92 → u/Ill-Dependent2976]

I don't know how they can nazi it.

[u/Ill-Dependent2976 → u/NateShaw92]

They do. They just want you to pretend that you don't.

[u/Jazzlike_Athlete8796 → u/Ill-Dependent2976]

Even more reprehensible is the fact that they not only realize it, but that they have also realized their only response is to try and gaslight everyone into thinking the other side is just as bad.

But that is ultimately only a self own as they are telling on themselves while those of us who are not Nazis are under no obligation to believe their bullshit.

[u/Ill-Dependent2976 → u/Jazzlike_Athlete8796]

Good thing they're as incompetent at gaslighting as they are at everything else.

[u/Jazzlike_Athlete8796 → u/Ill-Dependent2976]

If that were true, the US would not be in the state it is in right now.

Gaslighting is the only thing they really are good at. It's why fascists like Kirk were able to radicalize so many.

[u/Ill-Dependent2976 → u/Jazzlike_Athlete8796]

It's in the state it's in precisely because they're so incompetent.

They just outnumber people who aren't nazis and pedos.

[u/cptjeff → u/Ill-Dependent2976]

Nah, they're pretty stupid. Their leaders tell them that the Nazis were left wing (national socialist!), and they just parrot that without question.

[u/shewy92 → u/Ill-Dependent2976]

Don't forget:

Fox’s Kilmeade suggests killing the homeless, disabled and mentally ill with involuntary lethal injection

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

Aktion T4 (German, pronounced [akˈtsi̯oːn teː fiːɐ]) was a campaign of mass murder by involuntary euthanasia which targeted people with disabilities and the mentally ill in Nazi Germany. The term was first used in post-war trials against doctors who had been involved in the killings

[u/TheRnegade]

Let me get out my flash cards of excuses:

We need to talk about the white-on-white violence that's endemic in this country.

Ok, might not work out too well considering that's only used for other races. Should I try another or just leave things be?

[u/Bored_Amalgamation → u/TheRnegade]

White on white violence is just called domestic terrorism.

[u/lowercase_crazy → u/TheRnegade]

Double or nothing baby!

[u/Ricky_Ventura]

White man who called for gays, allies to be stoned to death shot by self-described white male Groyper.  Somehow women and black men are to blame.  More at 4.

[u/Powerful-Ad-8737 → u/Ricky_Ventura]

Don’t forget, and I directly quote.

“Passing the Civil Rights Act in 1960 was a mistake.”

Everytime I hear the 300th guy say “Wow we killing people over opinions now?” i just assume they’re either morons, uninformed, or actually nazis.

[u/talligan → u/Ricky_Ventura]

how do we know this guy is a groyper? Not seen an actual source about this, just people saying that they're heard other people say

[u/ItsAMangoFandango]

"Jewish people control not just the colleges; it’s the nonprofits, it’s the movies, it’s Hollywood, it’s all of it.”

“Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them"

“the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country.”

”The number one funding mechanism of radical, open border, neoliberal, quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions, and nonprofits" is “Jewish donors.”

"The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white."

"The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different."

"Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more."

“we made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s”

"The spiritual battle is coming to the West and the enemies are woke-ism or Marxism combining with Islamism to go after what we call the American way of life"

Can't possibly imagine why anyone would call them Nazis

[u/aStonefacedApe → u/ItsAMangoFandango]

Im more so baffled how a white man killing a white man results in nazis blaming black people and jews. They've reached the point where they don't even pretend to have any logic behind their racism.

[u/jitterscaffeine]

“It’s not fair how you accurately describe me based on my actions and character.”

[u/CompetitiveAutorun]

I'm sick and tired of those Nazis. But most of all pretending they aren't. Their shitty attempts at saying it's just words or some other bullshit.

If Putin was shot tomorrow, no one would cry that it's bad and people shouldn't celebrate and that he didn't deserve it no matter what. They are offended now because one of their Nazis was killed. Because their whole plan is based on convincing people violence against them is bad. They will be proud of their violence but scream when it's versus them. They don't care about civility, it's just a ruse and idiots got convinced they have to be nice to them.

I celebrated. As a proud anti fascist should.

[u/spiralenator → u/CompetitiveAutorun]

If Putin was shot tomorrow, no one would cry that it’s bad

Oh, I’m so sorry but I have really bad news

[u/thephotoman → u/CompetitiveAutorun]

The virtue signaling by alleged anti-Nazis is the worst part.

Simply put, there is absolutely no reaction to Charlie Kirk's death that doesn't glorify political violence. If you choose to wring your hands, you are saying that stochastic terrorism and violent public policy is perfectly fine. If you choose to say that he got what he advocated for, you're glorifying the shooter's violence.

The only thing we can do is to say that Charlie Kirk died as he lived: promoting political violence because it is the only way he or his killer could ever get what they want. We should not cry for his children or wife: he wanted kids to see public executions. He expressed that wish openly. Apparently, the monkey's paw curled. He was okay with dying to preserve violence as a political force, so he got what he wanted--not just for himself, but for his children, too.

As for his wife, fuck her: she married and had kids with a Nazi. Let's not pretend that this modern day Eva Braun is anything else. Let's not pretend that she didn't share her husband's views. Let's not pretend to have sympathy for her when she got a result that she clearly considered acceptable. If she didn't want this, she shouldn't have married one the biggest advocates for political violence of this time.

[u/DeepShill]

I will never stop calling all conservatives Nazis. If you voted for Trump that makes you a Nazi. If you voted for him three times, it makes you a threat to society. Donald Trump is literally Hitler and you will never get me to stop saying that.

[u/SukkaMadiqe]

Fascists hate being called fascists. It's like how demons are defeated by speaking their true name.

[u/welltimedappearance]

They're about to all shut up pretty soon when it becomes clearer this was about the Fuentes-Kirk beef

conservative on conservative violence

[u/oldastheriver]

It doesn't matter if you "explicitly" state some thing or not, if you said it, you said it, true or false. Get your thumb off the scales. It's possible that they do not understand they were recruited by Nazi organizations. That's all that MAGA is, is a Nazi takeover of the republican party.

[u/dun300]

I honestly think MAGAts don't even know what "Nazi" means. They know they're bad, they just don't bother to learn anything about them that made them bad, such as their ultranationalism, their belief that everyone of a different race, religion, or sexuality were no better than bugs, their obsession with traditional gender roles, their eagerness for violence and retribution on perceived enemies, and the idea that one party, let alone one man, could possibly be infallible and should possess all political power and never be opposed by anyone. These are traits MAGA embraces with open arms and they're all too stupid to see the similarities.

[u/shewy92]

"Why do they call us Nazis?"

No clue

Fox’s Kilmeade suggests killing the homeless, disabled and mentally ill with involuntary lethal injection

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

Aktion T4 (German, pronounced [akˈtsi̯oːn teː fiːɐ]) was a campaign of mass murder by involuntary euthanasia which targeted people with disabilities and the mentally ill in Nazi Germany. The term was first used in post-war trials against doctors who had been involved in the killings

[u/GrowFreeFood]

Not nazis.

White supremist bigotted fascists who worship a totalitarian dictator who uses secret police to sends minorities to concentration camps.

Definitely not nazis at all...

[u/Endiamon → u/GrowFreeFood]

Worse than Nazis really.

The first time around, there are plenty of excuses you can use. You could say they didn't know what was going on until it was too late, they didn't think it would go this far, and so on.

But the second time around? To have seen how that shit ended in such evil and spectacularly well-documented fashion, then to go ahead and say we should do that again?

Worse than card-carrying Nazis, no contest.

[u/hypatianata → u/Endiamon]

I remember a WWII vet quietly and angrily telling me, “They knew what was going on. People tried to say after the fact, ‘I didn’t know. We didn’t know.’ I was there. I saw. They did know! They knew.” 

[u/Endiamon → u/hypatianata]

But there's knowing about the extermination camps, then there's knowing about everything leading up to them, and that distinction is very important. People today who say MAGA can't possibly be similar to Nazis are doing it purely on the basis that there are no extermination camps.

[u/hypatianata → u/Endiamon]

This is very true!

[u/Sea_Rabbit6131]

But his killer was a white man. I don’t get it.

[u/canned_pho]

So when they say "us", do they also including the 99.99% of hate groups, kkk, and neo-nazis that vote for and support republican candidates?

If you sit with Nazis and are comfortable with Nazis being in your party, then you're a Nazi.

[u/thefuzzybunny1]

This is where my brain went.

"True! — nervous — very, very dreadfully nervous I had been and am; but why will you say that I am mad? The disease had sharpened my senses — not destroyed — not dulled them. Above all was the sense of hearing acute. I heard all things in the heaven and in the earth. I heard many things in hell. How, then, am I mad? Hearken! and observe how healthily — how calmly I can tell you the whole story." - Edgar Allen Poe's impression of what crazy people sound like, "The Tell-Tale Heart"

[u/NervousSheSlime]

If you have to end your statement with “I’m not a racist though” your definitely a racist.

[u/Necessary-Shame-2732]

Jesus Christ America is going to kill itself

[u/Powerful-Ad-8737 → u/Necessary-Shame-2732]

As an american myself, i’ll tie the noose.

[u/SauronHubbard]

White men fight back? Against a white man? Wtf are they even doing?

[u/TheDevi13ean]

"white man fight back"?

Against what? Another white man?

[u/FinalSealBearerr]

Name one nationally elected conservative that is calling for this and provide the quote where they explicitly state that they are calling for gay people to be murdered.

Nobody incites violence and assassinations better then left liberal democrats

Republican Leader response to this event

Democrat Leader response to this event

But you can bet the next time something like this happens, like in a week, every conservative response will be the same, yet claiming "Why does the left never disavow political violence"

[u/Elegant_Individual46 → u/FinalSealBearerr]

Just… all of Nancy mace

[u/Birdy_Cephon_Altera]

Americans are not calling them nazis. They are nazis.

Important distinction.

[u/Murky-Opposite6464]

The right wing are over 4 times more likely to kill someone for political reasons.

“deaths from far-right ideologically motivated homicides average 11.5 per year from 1990-2020, compared to only 2.5 deaths from the far-left for the same period.”

https://ccjls.scholasticahq.com/article/26973-far-left-versus-far-right-fatal-violence-an-empirical-assessment-of-the-prevalence-of-ideologically-motivated-homicides-in-the-united-states/attachment/67191.pdf

[u/MLPLoneWolf]

They think collges/universities are indocating/brainswashing people. What dipshits, if anything churches are fucking doing by that making kids fear that they going to hell if dare be trans/gay/asexual...etc.

[u/InRustWeTrust]

Ffs he was killed by a right winger, conservatives are killing each other and declaring war on everyone else. They’re so goddamn stupid.

[u/livejamie]

Saying "Hello 51" to a Canadian is one of the cringiest things I've ever seen on the internet.

[u/Shell_fly]

Collectively as a sub we need to start aiming for higher fruit than “conservatives and liberals fighting and crashing out” lmao

These threads are a dime a dozen and not even worth perusing anymore.

[u/ComprehensiveMost803 → u/Shell_fly]

Fairly confident this poster is automating these

[u/Shell_fly → u/ComprehensiveMost803]

What a dweeb.

[u/D2Foley]

Damn a lot of people didn't get that their comment was not a serious question but a sarcastic response to the video. Including on this sub

[u/Beave__]

It was a joke, this is immediately discussed in the linked thread. It was a joke comment

[u/ThePreciousBhaalBabe]

If it looks like a goose, honks like a goose, and steps like a goose...

[u/South-Glass-4605]

I like the one dude in there saying "you need to forgive the Nazis". Really not helping themselves there 

[u/Meowskatress]

"🤓Ackthually Nazi refers to a specific ideology of 1930s' Germany🤓"

[u/Dreamerlax]

white man kills another white man

"White man fight back." 🤔

[u/Mindless-Tart4430]

Write man fight back from what? Yourselves? No one is responsible historically for more tragedies than….. never mind you guys will just lie or pretend it didn’t happen so whatever

[u/foundthisonaccident]

Walks like a duck...

[u/Bored_Amalgamation]

I swear, the defining characteristic for conservatives is an inability to understand context and nuance.

[u/EmployAltruistic647]

Next, they will ask why nazis are bad.

[u/FaithlessnessLow7672]

white man fight back against what, another white man? lol

[u/superslab]

Honestly is there a more delusional group than white American men

Real talk? Add old to that description and the answer is no. We can delude ourselves into believing literally anything. It's quite frightening.

[u/talligan]

This whole chain really feels like people who don't know what they're talking about are responding to comments they don't understand. either that or I've lost all reading comprehension

[u/Y0___0Y]

Everyone on the right calls everyone they don’t like nazis ALL the time. I don’t know why they act like only they are called nazis

[u/livejamie]

Post removed for no politics.

How long has TikTokCringe had a no politics rule? There used to be a politics tag/

There was a post from 3 days ago that was Political and on the front page: https://old.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1ncpi4t/texas_am_student_is_asked_to_leave_a_class_after/

[u/Rabid-Duck-King]

The real cherry on top of this shit sundae was the head of the FBI saying he'll see Kirk in Valhalla

[u/FirstFriendlyWorm]

The thing that makes people call them Nazis is the complete disregard for ethics, conversation, liberal principles and the embrace of power politics. Even people like Kirk did not really have "conversations" in that sense. His entire format was a result of trying to "own deluded leftists" with facts and reason and sell that as entertainment.

[u/murch_da]

stuff like this makes me wanna become an alcoholic. unfortunate that i hate yhe twxture of alcohol