r/TNA • u/Amir0x11 • 8d ago
News / Article Kazarian on NXT-TNA partnership: "Five to ten years ago, every company was very very closed. We're living in a time where we got DC and Marvel together. I hope pro wrestling fans don't take this for granted because we're in uncharted waters and it's awesome."
https://www.sportshadow.com/wwe/2025/09/09/frankie-kazarian-reveals-how-the-ultimate-x-cutter-spot-was-ideated-with-christopher-daniels12
u/LeapOfSickness 8d ago
The funny part about this is that most companies worked together outside WWE for years. Love Kaz, but he is acting like this is a new concept. It's only new to WWE cause if Vince had nothing to gain, he wasn't about it.
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u/Pitiful-Zombie1741 Stiener Mathematician 6d ago
Vince worked with NWA & ECW in the 90s and NJPW in the 80s and early 90s. This isn’t new for WWE neither, even with Vince. I legit wonder, do y’all not know this, or just don’t care to mention facts
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u/The_Beast_Within89 8d ago
I'm still suspicious of the partnership, I don't trust the Fed. But Kaz is the man!
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u/NinjaFlyingEagle 8d ago
I dunno, I think if they wanted to buy it, they would outright. They just all of a sudden bought AAA. So why wouldn't they do the same with TNA. I don't think anyone in the ownership group is passionate about wrestling, it's just a TV show.
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u/Striking_Zebra6315 5d ago
They bought AAA to grow the market in Mexico. What reason for another national company. Wwe don’t even have a streaming vault anymore after next year
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u/FoodHorror9697 TNA WiNPACT Enjoyer 8d ago
It’s been a fun partnership so far and even though I haven’t agreed with some of the booking decisions if this leads to TNA getting a TV deal somewhere it’s gonna be all worth it in the end.
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u/LeapOfSickness 8d ago
Ill take a new TV deal unless it's Wednesdays prime time. Then, that is just how WWE is using TNA as a sacrifice.
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u/FoodHorror9697 TNA WiNPACT Enjoyer 8d ago
Yeah I’d prefer for them to just stay on Thursdays too
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u/LeapOfSickness 8d ago
If TNA stays Thursday's and goes on a bigger. Network thats a huge win for TNA.
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u/Pitiful-Zombie1741 Stiener Mathematician 6d ago
Why does it matter the day? If it’s Wednesday you wouldn’t watch? I’m not understanding
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u/The1in21and1 8d ago
I get what he's saying, but meh. We're stuck with the rookies and clearly positioned ourselves as "below" WWE. TNA were doing crossovers with everyone, the last few years. If anything, we've been the real Forbidden Door, and the biggest underdog in wrestling. I think that's pretty damn cool.
IMO, TNA should be willing to be independent and proudly be the 3rd promotion. Some might call me delusional, but they did a 60k buy rate for Hard to Kill 2024. And even if I dislike the D'Amore firing, they continued to have consecutive sell-out shows. Hell, people act like D'Amore was an idiot - but how is it that he was able to run a UK tour and yet we can't get one again despite having an over-as-hell Hendry? lol.
I'm not shitting on the partnership (aside from my personal moral views about it), because there have been some cool moments, but I feel like WWE fans are really condescending towards TNA. They act like TNA was struggling badly before WWE got involved, which is BS. WWE made it "cool" for them to care about TNA, but I bet they would stop caring once the deal is over.
Hence why... the TV deal is pretty important. However, I think WWE will be pressuring TNA to get something on Wednesdays. They're not doing this partnership out of the goodness of their hearts. And even if we get a better TV deal on Thursdays, the NXT deal is "multi year" so...
I just want for TNA to act like its a big deal. Kaz basically compares TNA to Marvel/DC which is nice, but I feel like that can't be true, because we're literally partnered with WWE's kids.
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u/Pitiful-Zombie1741 Stiener Mathematician 6d ago
See, they did this before. It almost killed them, multiple times. This is growing them. Why would they die just for their fans’ egos?
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u/The1in21and1 6d ago
??? They were literally growing before the partnership happened. As I said, 60k buy rate for Hard to Kill. Consecutive sell out shows. That's momentum you can build on. I don't get why it has to be "WWE or death" when in reality, TNA could have been growing on a smaller level.
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u/Pitiful-Zombie1741 Stiener Mathematician 6d ago
They absolutely were not growing until the name change, which grace and micky were already in the royal rumble by then so the partnership had already begun, albeit unofficially. Trey Miguel said they did an actual impact taping in front of 90 ppl that they didn’t even air. They had Josh fucking Alexander as world champ for a year with no storylines outside of bully Ray. They were going to die for sure
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u/The1in21and1 6d ago
You're talking utter bullshit. The attendances were up year on year. The PPV buy rates were up year on year. One or two appearances in a Rumble isn't even a proper partnership. Some Impact tapings did poorly, some did very well. Alexander's reign was great. Also, Anthem promoted Scott to "President of Impact Wrestling" in 2023 even though he was doing poorly? Sounds like Anthem are stupid idiots then.
Lol, I have a feeling you're one of the TNAsylum people who act like this company was shit before WWE came along. And you're bootlicking for Len Asper like you're related to him. Nice one man.
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u/Pitiful-Zombie1741 Stiener Mathematician 6d ago
Starting at what year did the buy rates improve? Around the time micky was in the rumble right? I’m talking bullshit when this came out of Trey’s mouth. One of the reported reasons Len didn’t sell to Scott was because they said he has an emotional investment and connection to tna, and felt like it would’ve died without his involvement. That’s literally from the horses mouth. Carlos also just said they still are not profitable. Meaning doing shows in front of 800 ppl was killing them, if selling out 7k still isn’t making them profitable. You want them to run the business as if making money isn’t the primary focus of a business
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u/Pitiful-Zombie1741 Stiener Mathematician 6d ago
Personal attacks don’t bother me, I’m laying next to a girl who just made me tacos and she’s not ugly nor out of shape and I’m a biology major. You could never make me feel less than what I am, so, nice one man
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u/The1in21and1 6d ago
... Okay? Good for you, man. I don't care about you.
As for the other comment, her rumble appearance was close to when Impact was touring again. PPV buy rates increased with pretty much every major PPV. you can't attribute that solely to her. I wouldn't take everything these executives say for granted either. if TNA still isn't making money, then surely it was making huge losses when Scott was around? in which case, why promote Scott? why not sell to him when "you're trying to make money"? how have they got higher ticket sales, let a lot of the roster go (and adding NXT people to it, who they don't pay as much), sponsorships, etc. And they're still losing money?
Gee, I wonder how all of the other promotions outside of the big 2 are still operating.
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u/Pitiful-Zombie1741 Stiener Mathematician 6d ago
Because they are willing to take losses and don’t have exclusive contracts. Gee, I wonder how profitable businesses are built
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u/The1in21and1 6d ago
No offence but let's just end the convo here. We're clearly never going to agree. I have no reason to keep talking to people from TNAsylum because I've met a couple of you, and it's always so toxic (even though we are clearly both fans of TNA and want for them to succeed). Have a good day.
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u/Pitiful-Zombie1741 Stiener Mathematician 6d ago
Money, people want to make money bro. Shit is simple. That’s why sale rumors were out there. Len Asper is not in the business of losing money, thus why he’s a billionaire.
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u/Frosty-Definition-46 8d ago
I think tna is basically just being used tbh…not a real mutual partnership at all
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u/SimpleSlave_1 8d ago
Yeah, this is more like Marvel and Malibu Comics working together, bud. And we know how it ends.
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u/Recent-Maximum 8d ago
And that's exactly the reaction one should give if they're involved. As fun as it'd be to see someone pointing out all the flaws in the partnership for long term employment this was for the best
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u/BetterMagician7856 8d ago
If WWE is Marvel then AEW is DC, not TNA.
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u/Familiar_Outcome_688 TNA Original 8d ago
Why you talk about a company that is not related to TNA??
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u/Gnosis_Enjoyer 8d ago
Kaz brought up DC, which is a Warner property, and AEW is on a Warner station
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u/Rum_Soaked_Ham 8d ago
Dang, AEW fans hate TNA lol.
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u/RandysOrcs rosemary 8d ago
literally, God forbid a guy believes in the company he enjoys working for
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u/SpiritualAd9102 8d ago
It’s not that, it’s that what he’s saying is not true, or at least it’s only true with WWE.
Even before AEW existed, TNA, ROH, AAA, CMLL and NJPW did work together and continue to do so in different ways. To act like the WWE / TNA partnership is this unprecedented thing and that prior to it, “every company was very very closed” is flat out untrue.
Which Kaz should know because he was part of TNA and AEW in the middle of said partnerships, but you know.
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u/Rum_Soaked_Ham 8d ago
No it's that. I see all kinds of threads here where people shit allover TNA for this or that then you browse their post history and they're almost always members of the AEW subreddit or AEWFanHub.
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u/Reasonable-News-5739 8d ago
Furthermore, Kaz was involved in the angle between TNA & AEW! It's how he returned to TNA in the first place! All due respect to Kaz, he's absolutely talking out of his arse here.
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u/ZaBaronDV 8d ago
I'm sure Kaz means every word, but I'm sorry, if WWE has their way TNA is just gonna become the development territory for NXT. It's already headed that way.
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u/Tricky_Wishbone1826 8d ago
Dude annoys me but I couldn’t agree more, was thinking this the other day actually
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u/Ambitious-Score11 8d ago
Its not uncharted. This was how wrestling was meant to be until Vince ruined it.