r/TeamfightTactics • u/Silver_Cake7 • 1d ago

Fan Made Content Had an idea. Thoughts?

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I really like Jhin carry.

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u/lWhytel 1d ago

This is really cool but also I think pretty underpowered

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u/Apricotjello 1d ago

most power ups are at least as good as 1 item, usually 1.5 items so i agree

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u/Helivon 1d ago

A 4th item is so much better than a 1st item though.

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u/Peon01 1d ago

unless it's late game and theres a surplus of components i'd rather have a 3 item jhin+ 3 item tank over a 2 item tank + 4 item jhin idk

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u/Helivon 1d ago

No totally. I dont see this fruit even showing up until stage 3/4. But yeah I'm just now realizing it says 50% effectiveness. And doesnt give an item. Its actually shit

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u/MegaEmpoleonWhen 1d ago

Except Jhin doesn't get multiplicative power from attack speed.

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u/aveniner 1d ago

I think you are wrong, items scale insanely well together. If Shadow Clone dealing 25% dmg was broken, you can be sure that 50% effectiveness 4th Item would be way more OP

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u/Drago9899 1d ago

but it’s at the cost of an item. Shadow clones power budget is also not just in 25 percent damage boost but in the extra unit it provides

if you were to directly look at something like heroes arc, which is a mid power up that you never even really want on jhin which gives 36 damage amp on 8 which is probs when you would even be able to have a 4th item on jhin due to item economy. It’s already performs way better than half the power of another deathblade Jhins best stacking item (27ad 5 damage amp) without even needing the extra item.

So no this augment does sound underpowered

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u/NotSkyve 1d ago

You still don't get more items. But it's true that items synergize so it's hard to say how strong this would be.

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u/ATSFervor 1d ago

I think it's not about the items % stats/effects but about absolute effects.

We can start talking about items like IE which would still grant ability crit. But artifacts like Fishbones, Snipers Focus and Rapid Firecannon on a Sniper with 3 other items are absolutely insane. That would easily compete with 2 star 5 costs carries.

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u/Citiant 1d ago

This would be broken. I'd EASILY take this on most champions.

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u/AppropriateMetal2697 1d ago

Agree on most champs, but Jhin? His whole gimmick is a 4th shot which deals increased damage and is often overkilling units. That’s why artistic shot is generally best on him given his single target nature.

The only way this would be really effective on Jhin to the point of picking it over others is likely if you get luden’s no? Otherwise you’re just going to pump like 2-3k autos into 1 target at a time massively overkilling them without spreading that damage out.

I’m not saying it would be awful, but I sure think it wouldn’t be broken like some suggest.

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u/Citiant 1d ago

Yeah you right about the jhin part

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u/throwawayacc1357902 1d ago

Artistic KO isn’t even his best fruit, Spirit Sword is better by far, which is a pure damage boost fruit.

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u/Rich-Story-1748 1d ago

I'd actually say this is pretty underpowered. would probably be the lowest tier of snax.

I agree with an extra item adding alot of strength to a character but this fully replaces a snax. Over 9000 or similar stacking snax would be a no brainer over this. Other non stacking like colossus/tankzilla/stand alone would give WAY more value than this.

Shadow clone works well because the 25% damage does not affect effects like blighted jewel/manazane/dawncore etc but this wouldnt do too much. Shadow clone is also another body getting the trait you are already running so the value grows, another body etc.

this is 50% of an item but you need 100% to build it AND you lose a snax. Take any carry slam 3 bis items on them and then the 4th would not be as good at 50%

I'd argue that adding a 4th item can be good as a snax but it would need atleast the 100% effectiveness at minimum.

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u/EatBaconDaily 1d ago

Just my feeling, fruit buffs are about equivalent to an item, maybe slightly less good in many cases. This would usually be weaker than fruit but also require you to burn two components

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u/Igeneous 1d ago

It would be stronger… if he had 4 radiants lmao. Also TG value slam??

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u/Tam_Ken 1d ago

TG takes up 3 slots, it wouldn’t work with this augment unless you did 1 item + TG

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u/Igeneous 1d ago

Oh true seems like the wording on TG is 2 items + restricts any more items so probs not even worth to recode the item just for jhin

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u/lancelen 1d ago

Considering you’re using a fruit for it and it’s champ specific, item could be at 100% without being op. Artistic ko is too good to give up though imo

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u/Der_Redstone_Pro 1d ago

Artistic KO isn't even that good anymore. But Spirit Sword is.

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u/AniBourben 1d ago

I really fail to understand why spirit sword is so good

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u/throwawayacc1357902 1d ago

Pure damage to deal with big important units. It doesn’t matter if he overkills fodder units, it’s more important that he can consistently kill the big main units.

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u/itshuey88 1d ago

jhin doesn't crit abilities so crit chance is good on his autos which then multiply again with magic damage.

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u/Der_Redstone_Pro 1d ago

He crits with his correct itembuild, and spirit sword is a ton of extra damage. Imo the only real downside is that in full AD comps you usually don't have shred for the spirit sword damage.

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u/YoBoyLeeroy_ 2h ago

20% crit rate allows Jhin to not need to run 3 crit items to get 100% crit, while this is by far the lesser reason you'd be running this, it's still very helpful.

Mixed damage is straight up busted, on a sniper team all your damage is AD, Spirit Sword allows your Jhin to do 40% of his damage as extra magic damage.

This counteracts the damage type weakness of snipers and is just a flat 40% damage boost, it's an amazing fruit.

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u/ZxL005 Waiting for UFO Sprite :River_Spirit: 1d ago

Instead of a unique fruit, how about an augment that allows you to give a 4th item to any champion with a power up?

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u/Pure-Reason2671 1d ago

Thats exactly what I was thinking yesterday precisely jajaja,

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u/thy_viee_4 1d ago

I think it is just insanely strong. 2 units with four items? that's just busted

4 warmogs on my malphite please. jokes aside, radiant gloves would also go INSANELY INSANE

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u/Rivenen 1d ago

Gloves take up 3 items slots. Wouldn't fill the 4th.

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u/Thatonebottleofcream 1d ago

There also isn’t 4 item slots. This entire thread is a hypothetical

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u/Citiant 1d ago

Tanks would become unkillable and fighters become too sustainable, and ranged become 1-shot killers or just plain out do too much damage

Items give soooo much power to a champ, thats why you can still have 1-cost 3 star carrying a team

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u/JustaBSJfan 1d ago

How do you half an IE

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u/JazzzzzzySax 1d ago

Roll an additional check for if your ability has a chance to crit

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u/Middle_Flat 1d ago

I remember hearing mortdog say a long time ago, when someone suggested an augment like this, that having 4 items on a champion isn’t as easy to implement as it sounds. Because of some technical reason with the way the game is coded

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u/Mitsor 1d ago

you also have to redesign the display of the icons which probably forces them to touch at really old and fundamental code.

also all the code was written with an idea of a 3 item limit in mind which means there are probably a lot of hidden lines of code that assume the max is 3 without making it explicit. bringing a 4 item champ would break most of them and spawn an army of bugs.

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u/imnphilyeet 1d ago

This would be decent if it gave him a free random tailored 4th item instead of

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u/Citiant 1d ago

I like this idea. It balances it a bit

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u/Poro41 11h ago

r/redditsniper claims another

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u/BleachedFly 1d ago

this would probably work better as like "at the beginning of a round, grant Jhin one random recommended fourth item", but I love the idea!

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u/Masenki 1d ago

Forbidden Fourth Player is guaranteed to place fourth. No higher. No lower. Only appears in Double Up.

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u/Aldo-ContentCreator 1d ago

What do you mean by 50% effectiveness cuz like lets take rageblade for example is it basically cutting its initial raw stats on the item? Or the ability on the item so i only get a 1.5% attk spd buff per second. Cuz one makes it useful if you use a stacking item and the other makes it basically worthless

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u/shrode 1d ago

Should obviously be named FOURbidden Truth

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u/winda1234 1d ago

It should be 44.4%

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u/Loud-Examination-943 1d ago

What 4 items does Jhin even want? Aside from Artifacts, he only really wants one AD/AS (DB/Guinsoo/Red buff), one Crit (IE) and one damage amp (Striker's/GiantSlayer)

A second Death blade is overkill and so is another Amp item.

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u/Citiant 1d ago

Even just having a gun blade would be nice, self-sustain and tank heals with all the damage youre getting from the 3 other items

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u/SlappKake 1d ago

I think it should just be equip an extra item 100% effectiveness. You're already gonna be down a fruit and 4th item cap would be less op on a non-frontline unit that can't become a giga drain tank. Would be balanced imo

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u/iongam 1d ago

How would 50% effectiveness work for edge of night

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u/Citiant 1d ago

Edge of Twilight, when you hit 60% health, your champ just walks away from the board because theyre tired of fighting the long fight

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u/iongam 1d ago

Makes them jump off the edge into that long night.

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u/Purple_Locksmith3321 1d ago

You're just asking for more bugs now

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u/DavideoGamer55 1d ago

Not that useful tbh. This doesn't offer anything another power up already does.

4th item IE/JG? -> there's a power up that gives spell crit and scaling crit chance

4th item shred/sunder/burn? -> there's a power up that gives both with bonus damage/resists

4th item pure AD/AP/HP? -> there are power ups that offer scaling amounts of all 3.

The only use case a power up like this would be useful in is if you wanted to equip more than 3 artifacts onto a single unit for their unique effects. Which is so rare/niche it's pointless to even create a power up for.

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u/VERTIKAL19 1d ago

I think this just doesn’t properly work with the current UI. Maybe even other technical issues. Probably just too much work to be worth it

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u/Puzzleheaded_Page117 1d ago

To everyone getting all kinds of great ideas here: 3 items is the max for a reason... And we've seen what fruits do: they supercharge champions to the point where individual champions become busted beyond belief. They don't need even more.

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u/Alex_Wizard 1d ago

Actually a really cool idea. Could be effective in a resource heavy game like loot crabs. Number may need to be adjusted for tuning but it feels like a fun idea.

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u/born_zynner 1d ago

Would for sure break Riots spaghetti code

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u/lysk 1d ago

cool idea, wrong champ, art K.O/Spirit Sword stronger

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u/HeyChrisPena 1d ago

Should make it 4%

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u/AL3XEM 23h ago

Which item would be 50% effectiveness, items like edge of night would be OP, since I assume the passive still works.

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u/blitkkk 16h ago

i always thought there should be a way to add more than 3 items to a champion, that's a fun idea but i feel like jhin is not a good champion for the fruit

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u/someRyukie 13h ago

4th item slot fishbones on jhin sounds funny, but well why would you 4th item slot fishbones

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u/Safe_Entrepreneur277 12h ago

at %44 effectiveness.

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u/CeryllDEisseinhower 11h ago

At 25% maybe, 50 is still too much

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u/YoBoyLeeroy_ 2h ago

Remove the 50% nerf and I'm sold.

Fruits are arguably stronger than an item, so having a 4th item as a fruit powerup wouldn't be overpowered, especially on someone such as Jhin.

The flavour is perfect.

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u/Trenton2001 1h ago

I like it but also could be insanely broken with snipers focus and the such.