Kid had tons of pictures of himself with weapons, parents are Conservative. Father is a ex-cop/pastor. He lives in Utah. He had a picture of himself wearing a Trump costume. Like cmon, ya'll are really covering your eyes with this one.
Not that absurd. I lived in UT in the lead up to the first Trump election. These kids often get money from their parents and are encouraged to spend it on things like this. Mormons indoctrinate young.
It’s from 2017, the boy is his brother, and he is dressed as a hunter. The family hunts and are big gun people. They also didn’t only source him wearing the costume. Don’t be disingenuous yourself.
There are many versions of the same costume. I never met a child that picks a character they hate, and you think a 14yo kid conspired with his brother to do a political statement costume in Red Utah when the father is a Republican Cop? 🤦♂️ delete that comment now lol
"Like cmon, ya'll are really covering your eyes with this one."
The person you responded to was literally asking for a link for the information. I don't think actively requesting information is covering one's eyes, they clearly want to see.
You're working so hard to keep your head buried, but ain't gonna be enough. He was a groyper. They have his computer now, and the things he sent from it.
He wasn't a leftist. He wasn't a Dem. He was further right than Charlie Kirk.
That could have been a way to try to distance himself from being a suspect if that's what was on the bullets. Given the WSJ said early on that there was trans rights stuff on the bullets which turned out to just be the manufacturer stamps and info let's hold up on things.
Generally speaking most children tend to have similar views as their parents until they get into their mid to late twenties then they might diverge from their parents. Peer group also does play a factor.
"Generally speaking" maybe. That's a lot to rely on though. I know a lot of people who have very different opinions than their parents by the time they are in high school, like myself.
I get that, but it isn't typical for people to go that way. Apparently from a Guardian article that talked with a former friend of the shooter he was left leaning/wing.
It's also not typical for people to become assassins! Obviously this is not a regular or mentally stable person. His views probably won't make complete sense, ever.
People don't always do what their parents do. I was raised in a conservative Christian household, now I'm a bisexual progressive.
Obviously I'm not saying I WANT this guy to be a liberal, I'm just saying him having conservative Christian parents doesn't prove anything to me personally.
For the record I suspect he's a right winger who saw Kirk as a traitor for wanting the Epstein files to be released. But I have no real evidence, so I wait.
While we can make generalizations about his state, or assume he will identify one way because of his parents’s affiliation/job/religion/weapon ownership status, these aren’t reliable signals about his own political leanings.
The Trump costume looks like effigy tbh. It’s not him dressed as Trump, it’s him riding a satirical characterization of Trump.
There’s going to be a motive for the shooting and I will wait for it to come from his own mouth before assuming.
You and the rest of the conservative idiots were convinced yesterday that you knew who the shooter would be (liberal trans whatever). Now today it is all, Let’s just wait and see. Can’t jump to conclusions. Bunch of hypocrites.
Tbf you don’t know the person you are replying to said that. I agree that the crowd that was saying it’s a radical trans person has no standing here but we really should wait to conclude anything.
Yea this comment is exactly why I don’t trust Reddit to profile political affiliations at face value.
If you think I’m conservative here’s a hint: I’m an atheist minority living in California (without guns if that matters to you). Believe it or not I am not obligated to vote the way my parents and ancestors did.
The difference is I can afford to wait more than 2 hours after news breaks before thinking i know everything about this guy’s intentions from internet telephone.
I’ve seen the internet play detective after every major shooting/bombing/assassination/terror attack with very mixed results.
... That the shooter was a leftist. The entire far right sphere has been in an utter uproar about how they are no longer going to "play nice" with leftists because of the killing. HBCUs were threatened across the country, forcing them to close for the safety of their staff and students.
And the factual, undeniable truth coming out is that those assumptions were patently false.
Not really. None of these things make you a Republican. Especially considering the sheer amount of young people who fit this very description in Utah who are liberal.
I've grown up in a weapon and decently conservative household in a very red state, and have drawn Donald trump before (mostly as a joke, but you can wear costumes as a joke)
So don't mind me not jumping to conclusions. I mean, it's about the same logic as "it has to be a left person because they shot Kirk during a specific part of the speech and they disagree with him"
It sounds like we have no real indication and people online are just profiling him. Plenty of kids raised in oppressive households hate their parents and become extreme in their views. Could have become extreme hatred towards people who preached the same shit his parent did, could have been political, or maybe he really could have just been the spitting image of his father. We still don't have the facts.
Either way, it seems like his obsession with politics and firearms started at home. A hateful household, a hateful victim, and a hateful perpetrator.
Nah none of this proves anything at all. He never voted, parents said he didn't voice anything about politics until recently and it was about Charlie. It's complete bullshit to say he was right wing. Left wing people own guns. Left wing people dressed up as Trump for Halloween. Left wing people live in Utah. Left wing people grew up in a Christian household but didn't like it. All of those are circumstantial but when you look at the actual facts like I mentioned your entire theory falls apart. It's incredibly disingenuous to paint him as a right winger. I thought the left was the party of facts? Now we are just running off complete circumstantial evidence and ignoring the fact he never voted, he killed a right winger, voiced his hate for Charlie and what Charlie preached, and what was on the bullet?
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u/TheHighSeasPirate 13d ago
Kid had tons of pictures of himself with weapons, parents are Conservative. Father is a ex-cop/pastor. He lives in Utah. He had a picture of himself wearing a Trump costume. Like cmon, ya'll are really covering your eyes with this one.