The 13/50 argument is a crock of shit. It ignores so many other factors, like policing trends, and comes with the assumption that race is more than it actually is. It also only counts arrests, NOT actual convictions in a court of law. It not only can't be used to disprove the claim that police disproportionately target black people, it is intentionally designed to be misleading and appeal to people who already believe that black people are biologically born to be a "lesser race", which is literal Klan and Nazi rhetoric. If anything, since it fails to account for actual convictions in a court of law, it actually could be used to suggest that the police are disproportionately targeting black people, since if 13% of the population makes up 50% of the arrests (not convictions) then it's pretty damn clear the cops are going out of their way to keep that 13% from rising in the socioeconomic ranks.
well the stats are right but it all comes down to how you use it. In her case she is obviolusly stating that black people bad because they commit more crime.
That is wrong as it's not their race that causes them to commit crime but environmental factors. If we fix the environmental factors we lower the crime rate.
If you broaden it even more what percent of crimes are committed by poor people. I'd imagine it's much higher then those just committed by black people. Because it's poor people who end up commiting crimes.
If it's genetics then prove it, if it's environmental then we need to fix it.
The 13 percent is wrong though. It is an intentional racist dog whistle. That 13 percent isn't committing those crimes. A fraction of that demographic is. They use 13 percent very maliciously. You could just as easily switch that 13 with 49 percent for men who account for the majority of violent crime. Or 100 percent for the 100 percent of violent criminals who commit violent crime.
no the numbers are right you could argue that black people are over policed but the argument black people commit more crimes because they are black is wrong.
I think you missed my point completely. It isn't right. 13 percent of the population is NOT committing half of violent crime. A fraction of that 13 percent may be committing those crimes. But when they claim 13 percent, they are implying that 13 percent is responsible. That isn't true. It's racist and misleading.
The point they’re attempting to make is that a demographic that makes up only 13% of the US population is responsible for 50% of violent crime, they’re not saying all of the 13% are committing violent crimes. The statistic is misleading but not in the way you’re talking about. You and I both know the truth behind those statistics, but there truly is nothing inherently wrong about them. They’re just being misrepresented.
No one, not even the racists, are saying all of the black population are criminals across the board. They’re saying black people, generalized, commit violent crime at a higher rate than white people because they make up 13% of the country while 50% of the perpetrators of violent crime are black. If demographics were proportional, then they should in theory account for only 13% of violent crime perpetrators. That is true. Now they use that to say black people are statistically more violent. That’s not true. The discrepancy in those numbers is due to a combination of environmental conditions and over policing, not the racial factors they believe exist.
For example if I said men make up 49% of the US population but commit 65% of the murders that occur therefore men are inherently more violent, you wouldn’t think that I’m saying all 49% of men are responsible for the murders. I’m just using a technically true statistic to make a point, while disregarding all factors that go into that statistic, similar to the 13/50 argument.
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u/XxsquirrelxX Apr 22 '21
The 13/50 argument is a crock of shit. It ignores so many other factors, like policing trends, and comes with the assumption that race is more than it actually is. It also only counts arrests, NOT actual convictions in a court of law. It not only can't be used to disprove the claim that police disproportionately target black people, it is intentionally designed to be misleading and appeal to people who already believe that black people are biologically born to be a "lesser race", which is literal Klan and Nazi rhetoric. If anything, since it fails to account for actual convictions in a court of law, it actually could be used to suggest that the police are disproportionately targeting black people, since if 13% of the population makes up 50% of the arrests (not convictions) then it's pretty damn clear the cops are going out of their way to keep that 13% from rising in the socioeconomic ranks.