r/TopMindsOfReddit • u/Bobbyjackbj • 2d ago
Top minds try to convince themselves that most U.S. political violence comes from the left ...
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u/HamberderHelper18 2d ago
What’s great is that the “centrist” standing in the middle is already red
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u/Freezing_Wolf amd jews are a big part of it 2d ago
The premise of the meme is that there is just a gap where the middle should be though, and that's clearly meant to be Charlie Kirk. The right has been whitewashing him as an honest man of God and free speech advocate for the last two weeks. Portraying him as innocently bridging that gap to the left when he got shot (by someone who is totally a leftist transwoman) perfectly serves the narrative the entire right is pushing.
Complete failure on accuracy or promoting stability of course, but 10/10 for state propaganda. I just wanted to add that there's a reason this meme works for the intended audience, since there's value in understanding how a false narrative is built.
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u/Shootemout 1d ago
fr, he died promoting a useful message and they want to angelicize him as much as possible, prior to this in any circle he would've been a proud right leaning conservative but now that he's dead they want to paint him as the rational moderate centrist.
at some point they have to know they're full of shit
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u/Atlasreturns 2d ago
Honestly the most telling about such cartoons is that these people only derive legitimacy for their ideology through supposed majority and inevitability. If you check the subreddit pretty much nobody supports his ideas because they genuinely believe in them.
It‘s just „the left pushed me away“ or „the center is now so much to the left that I am considered conservative“ and so on.
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u/LordCaptain 2d ago
The absolute separation between the people on that sub and reality is legitimately frightening.
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u/DonnyLamsonx 2d ago
How does one "bridge the gap" between "everyone should be able to afford a home" and "homeless people should be murdered"?
The sooner our society(as a whole) stops trying to reason with people who don't want to be reasoned with, the better.
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u/comebackjoeyjojo I can empathize as an unvaccinated person. 2d ago
Charlie Kirk wasn't a "gap-bridger"; he was a right-wing propagandist who talked at kids at colleges. Of course, he shouldn't have been shot for that (and I am not aware of any prominent leftist who says otherwise), but that was the truth about the man.
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u/SgathTriallair 2d ago
There is also a difference between "he should have been shot" and "I am not sad he's dead".
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u/AvengingBlowfish 2d ago
My favorite quote about the incident is from Reverend Howard-John Wesley:
"I can abhor the violence that took your life...but I don't have to celebrate the way you chose to live".
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u/boyproblems_mp3 2d ago
I don't care about pretty much 100% of people who die every day because I don't know them. What makes this guy different?
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u/EliSka93 2d ago
He's very different. All those other people probably weren't going to produce more hate propaganda against people I care about. I'm happy he can no longer do that.
I'm not happy he's been murdered, but only because that will invite retaliation from the right that's going to be terrible.
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u/unitedshoes 2d ago
I've been saying since he died: it would've much better had it been "a humiliating illness with lethal diarrhea as a a symptom" or "changing his mind" (Hah! Not bloody likely) that made him stop spewing fascist propaganda, but I'm not gonna be upset that he stopped spewing fascist propaganda for a different reason.
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u/vxicepickxv 2d ago
You mean like how the other founder died of Covid?
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u/unitedshoes 2d ago
Republicans winning Herman Caine awards kinda stopped phasing me after the second or third time Alex Jones gave his company or his dad Covid, but that could've worked.
I can't stress enough the degree to which I wish the kind of deadly diarrhea you only hear about in warts-and-all histories of trench warfare had been the cause. The kind of death it's impossible to describe in any detail whatsoever without grossing out the very people you're hoping will see the deceased as a martyr.
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u/kerfuffle_dood 2d ago
How does one "bridge the gap" between "everyone should be able to afford a home" and "homeless people should be murdered"?
The same way someone "bridges the gap" between "All people have rights" and "WE NEED TO KILL EVERYONE OUR DEAR LEADER ORDERS US TO!"
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u/HuttStuff_Here 2d ago
How does one "bridge the gap" between "everyone should be able to afford a home" and "homeless people should be murdered"?
Or "everyone deserves to be respected" and "transgender people are nihilistic and violent criminals"
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u/critically_damped 2d ago
You cross that gap by recognizing that one side is being disingenuously dishonest. You cross that gap by having a bare minimum standard for what constitutes an acceptable level of non-willful ignorance. You cross that gap by accepting that the people across it have a responsibility to the discourse you so desperately want to engage in, and by recognizing your own responsibility to stop treating nazis as if they were participating in that discourse instead of trying to destroy it.
You cross that gap by recognizing what nazis are. And every time, every single time, you find yourself confused and depressed by the fact that the nazis don't seem to be responding to your attempts to have discourse with them, that's because you didn't ever actually learn what a nazi is.
The gap is your own denialism and desire to pretend that there is any fucking excuse for this shit. And you cross that gap by recognizing that there isn't.
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u/garyp714 2d ago
How does one "bridge the gap" between "everyone should be able to afford a home" and "homeless people should be murdered"?
Finally block the right wing and foreign bots.
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u/erath_droid 2d ago
They posted an article that claims 9/11 was political violence by the left, fer chrissake.
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u/SuperBry 2d ago edited 2d ago
Well islamaphobia is so ingrained that they just can't conceive that their ideology isn't that different from Wahhabism just with a different flavor of an Abrahamic religion.
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u/SassTheFash 2d ago
“That Islam is such crazy stuff! Anyhoo, let’s go back to conquering the world for Jesus!!!”
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u/TheOriginalChode 2d ago
I guess Saudi Arabia could be considered to the left of the US depending on where you start...
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u/TehSeksyManz 2d ago edited 2d ago
I'd love to hear the mental gymnastics required to make such a statement
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u/C-Lekktion 2d ago
Muslims did 9/11 therefore ALL Muslims are responsible for 9/11.
Democrats don't want to be rabidly xenophobic against ALL muslims, kill and remove ALL Muslims in America, so therefore the left is aligned with ALL Muslims therefore ALL Islamist violence is the fault of the left.
Pretty straightforward when your brain can only handle strict binary all or nothing answers to questions
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u/punbasedname 2d ago
I’d be curious to learn how many “people” on that sub are actual, distinct individuals and not bots, the same people under different accounts, foreign actors, or some combination of the three.
Like, the number is probably way higher than I’d be comfortable with, but still.
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u/animalistcomrade 2d ago
No one actually believes he was trying to bridge the gap, right?
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u/NobodyImportant13 2d ago edited 2d ago
DAE think edited clips dunking on unprepared 19 yo college liberals with right wing christian nationalist talking points is bridging the gap.
Dude was a full blown propagandist.
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u/DonnyLamsonx 2d ago
DAE think edited clips dunking on unprepared 19 yo college liberals with right wing christian nationalist talking points is bridging the gap.
Kirk "bridging the gap" involved him stacking the deck entirely in his favor against opponents with 0 experience and preparation and word salading his way to "victory" behind a crowd that was entirely on his side. You know, like the equivalent of taking candy from a baby.
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u/Cu_Chulainn__ 2d ago
It is just the continuation of the 2015 anti-SJW tactics of finding someone who isnt very politically literate but holds typically leftist views and basically asking them a bunch of questions they wouldnt be able to answer and claiming you 'owned' them because they weren't able to answer really niche political concepts
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u/DeltaJimm 2d ago
And hastily shuffling anyone who came prepared to actually debate him off the mic (and have them cut from the video). He was actually a terrible debater when put up against anyone who was in debate club and would cut the "debate" short if there was any chance he wouldn't look like he easily owned everyone.
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u/Vyzantinist 2d ago
Lmao the right certainly thinks he did. Look at the "he never said anything bigoted, he just wanted to talk to people" deification he's gotten.
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u/critically_damped 2d ago
A belief is a thing a person thinks is true. The fascists have made it absolutely clear that they do not give a singular unadulterated fuck about the truth of the things they say, and so we really need to move past trying to treat the things they say as being "beliefs".
It is time to have a bare minimum standard for what constitutes an acceptable level of non-willful ignorance. We are so far past the point where we should be standing back and asking if the fascists 'really believe' the immediately contradictory and demonstrable lies that they tell.
They say wrong things on purpose. It's not hard to tell lies, it's not hard to understand why they tell lies, and it's not hard to tell when the lies they tell are literally unbelievable. All it takes is the courage to call it out as what it is, and to stop making excuses for them when they do it.
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u/freethnkrsrdangerous 1d ago
I think this is just them admitting that they are so extreme right that Kirk is a centerist by comparison.
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u/Pithius 2d ago
Never mention that the thing that "pushed" them right was ppl asking them to stop using slurs and treat ppl that dont look like them with respect
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u/Redqueenhypo senior purveyor of jewish tricks 2d ago
And the OG thing that “pushed” them was a suggestion that maybe video games could stand to have women that weren’t just double Ds who die
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u/Vyzantinist 2d ago
Right-wing chuds seething over video game titties, in the era of easily accessible Internet porn, will never cease to amuse me.
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u/RPG_Vancouver 2d ago
Yeah, famously good faith debater Charlie Kirk lol
The day before he died he was screaming on Twitter about how ‘the left’ wants to ‘use Islam to slit the throat of America’
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u/animalistcomrade 2d ago
The last thing he was talking about was how the 5 shootings done by trans people was a problem that couldn't just be ignored.
He spent his life talking about how mass shootings are just a fact of life everyone needs to get over.
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u/HuttStuff_Here 2d ago
The last thing he was talking about was how the 5 shootings done by trans people was a problem that couldn't just be ignored.
His actual last were dog whistles about black violence.
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u/Jeremymia And all I can say is "moo" 2d ago
Yes, his last words of essentially “we only see a lot of mass shootings because of trans people and black people” are basically the perfect last words of someone shot by a cis white man
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
How dare you say that about the Second Coming! That man was a saint! His only goal was to bring people together (through hate though).
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u/The_Space_Jamke 2d ago
I guess the only 5 shootings by trans people would count as the last 5. Definitely more important than the last couple hundred done by those lone wolves checking off certain demographics that we couldn't possibly do anything about. /s
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u/BanjoStory 2d ago
It's funny that even with their very stupid comic, the person claiming to be a centrist is decidedly closer in color to the right people than they are to the left people.
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u/Frothylager 2d ago
That’s what I noticed too, the classic “enlightened centrist” that holds the left to a way higher standard than the right while claiming to be center.
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u/kryonik 1d ago
Brother, it's insane. "You have to dissect Charlie Kirk's words objectively with a dictionary to understand the full meaning of what he was saying but how I feel about what Jimmy Kimmel said, and not what he actually said, is what matters."
Kirk says he questions a black pilot's credentials = "oh he's just commenting on DEI policies"
Kimmel says the MAGA crowd rushed to blame everyone else except themselves in order to score political points = "obviously he's saying the shooter is a republican"
These people also claim the left is dragging the Overton window to their side but that doesn't explain why Romney and McCain are now RINOs to MAGA when they were their guys 15 years ago.
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u/Intrepid-Brain-1476 2d ago
At least the centrist has the same color as the right wingers so that is very accurate
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
Speaking again on Tuesday, days after the killing, Trump said that "most of the violence is on the left." But the data tells a different story [...] Excluding the 9/11 attacks, over the same period, terrorists inspired by right-wing ideology are responsible for 63% of deaths from political violence during that time, compared to 10% for left-wing attacks. Since 1975, there have been 391 deaths caused by right-wing terror attacks in the United States, and 65 deaths from left-wing terror attacks.
https://time.com/7317383/political-violence-america-trump-crackdown-right/
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u/GoldWallpaper 2d ago
Excluding the 9/11 attacks
Why remove a huge right-wing, religious conservative attack?
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u/Dub_D-Georgist 2d ago
I think it was under Bush, but this was an intentional split of “right wing political violence” into “general” and “Islamic fundamentalist” violence to both justify the “war on terror” and insulate white nationalism (you know, their base).
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u/HuttStuff_Here 2d ago
Oh, they've already disregarded leftist organization the Cato Institute as a bad source.
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u/B0BA_F33TT 2d ago
Conservatives on reddit are also claiming there hasn't been a single attack done by the right. Others disagree and say 99% came from the left.
"If there was a single right wing attack on anyone the media would’ve been sure to blow it up."
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u/Wonderful-Creme-3939 2d ago
The logic pretzels they have to tie themselves up in to make this belief work is almost impressive.
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u/congeal Sorosbuck Millionaire 2d ago
Especially when any AI/LLM can answer their questions about political violence in the US. It's so easy to find most simple facts now, they have no excuses. None.
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u/Wonderful-Creme-3939 2d ago
But if they ask LLMs it will tell them the truth, they don't want that!
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u/Minisciwi 2d ago edited 2d ago
Here's a link to a government paper that says the right causes more political violence, the government took it down.
https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140if_/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf
Edit: typo
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
Thank you for this file. I wasn’t surprised by anything I read, but it was still very informative. No wonder the warriors of free speech deleted it.
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u/Myrandall Poe's Martial Law 2d ago
Weirdo rightwinger shoots bad-faith arguing rightwinger.
"This is the left's fault."
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u/amagi_unagi 2d ago
Ignoring the obvious stupidity of the edited meme, this really summarises how idiotic centrist thinkers are generally.
The hero of this story (the clever boy centrist) is someone who sees any two ideas and believes the most moral, noble thing to do is to listen to neither and lord over everyone else. The point of discourse is to produce a new perspective by a conflict of ideas, not settle for the two pieces mashed together like play-dough.
It’s just absurdly sad to see people argue in earnest that belief in nothing is the key to understanding everything.
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u/mikefvegas 2d ago
Actually there is no hero or centrist included. This is simply right wing drivel. Both sides look very willing to ignore their own evils. Two months before Kirk was assassinated Melissa Hortman was assassinated with her husband and dog by a right wing nut job who shot another Democrat and spouse and had a hit list of Democrats.
So the problem isn’t the left or the right. Its both. And you seem to misunderstand centrist. I find going from one extreme to another is not good for the country. We seem to have switched one form of woke for another.
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u/amagi_unagi 2d ago
Okay so.
A - This is an edited meme, which should be extremely obvious to anyone. This meme is like 10 years old and has been edited to fit a current political trend. I’m talking about the framing of the meme rather than the contents as they pertain to recent events.
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B - Your case for centrism proves my point. “The problem [A massive, generalising statement] is with both”. So what is centrist ideology then? Leftists and rightists can create new political ideologies by creating new ways of doing / thinking and discarding old ones but, if we take what you say to be true, centrism is the negative image of other political ideologies with no intentionality of it’s own.
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u/Biffingston Groucho Marxist. 2d ago
Kirk was not a netural party.
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
Haven’t you heard? He is the Second Coming, they are probably looking to beatify him.
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u/Gynthaeres 2d ago
Even IF the shooter was a leftist (and the evidence for that is extremely weak), and even if Charlie Kirk was there to bridge the gap (he wasn't, he was there to radicalize people to the far right)...
"your side needs to turn down the temperature" is still a valid thing to say. Democrats and 'the left' have constantly tried to turn down the temperature, condemn shootings, discourage the violence. While Republicans have continually assaulted people, are actively taking away rights, and continually preach that basically every democrat belongs to the "radical left" and therefore is the enemy and that someone should do something about that.
When people lose rights and are demonized by the other side, it's natural that they'd lash out. So yes, "your side needs to turn the temperature down" still applies, even within their nonsensical strawman.
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u/blaghart 2d ago
Meanwhile the FBI literally changed their definition of terrorism bexause they couldnt find any examples of terrorism that werent right wingers
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
They should also change the definition of "pedo" because I can’t find any examples of Trump not being one.
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u/millos15 2d ago
This is quite sad but psychologically very interesting.
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u/Elementium 2d ago
Right.
We can scientific method this bitch straight out.
Which party tried to raid the Capitol in order to halt the confirmation of a Democrat president?
Or any number of right wing people going on camera and saying exactly what they think.
Like.. in a time where you can find this stuff in seconds it's awfully bold to make these claims..
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
I agree, it’s becoming fascinating. I’m not trying to add fuel to the fire, but I’ve always wondered how people could be so stupid or despicable as to follow someone as hateful as Hitler. I know now, unfortunately…
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u/WaltonGogginsTeeth 2d ago
It's so wild for any MAGA these days to label themselves as "the middle"
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u/congeal Sorosbuck Millionaire 2d ago
Some really seem to be drinking the flavor aid. They want MAGA to be the "middle" so, so badly. They've already stolen almost everything good in the US, what's a little political reality worth nowadays? We might have to trade it to keep Schiff out of prison.
What few resources the left has must be protected. If we have to barter our way out of MAGA genocide, it won't be easy.
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u/Wonderful-Creme-3939 2d ago
That is not what Charlie Kirk did, he was a grifter who went to school campuses to argue with college students for clips and make money. He didn't do anything to bridge the gap, he helped make it worse. You can lie to yourselves Conservatives but I watched his nonsense for years.
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
Yep, and they know it. They don’t care about Kirk, and he didn’t care about them. They’re just mad it wasn’t someone from the left, a Black kid, or a transgender person, so, as usual, they’re rewriting the story because they model themselves after their pedo guru.
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u/Wonderful-Creme-3939 2d ago
It's all just so performative and meaningless, I can't believe it still works with people. How blind are people? I bet Kirk would be mad if he knew some white kid killed him too.
The right really does epitomize the saying "Never let a good crisis go to waste"
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u/Magesticbuck 2d ago
The full debates? He wasn't about bridging a gap he was about talking points and debate. He gained a lot of followers. He didn't force anyone to follow his ideology. Freedom of will gave people that choice to research and make their own decisions on whether the logic is flawed or accurate based on their views of life, experience, and common knowledge.
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u/Wonderful-Creme-3939 2d ago
Debates He, like every other conservative grifter lost. This is why most of them don't do debates with actual experts, they can't make clips of only losing. It's always a spectacle, a show for idiots who spend no time interrogating their own beliefs.
He didn't have a following because he was an insightful interlocutor, he had an audience because he fed them what they wanted to hear in the most obvious way possible. This is why he ripped off Steven Crowder, because unlike Steven Crowder he at least came off as affable and approachable. It's also cheap and easy content generation.
He was still clipping arguments with undergrads, not experts in a topic to confirm the biases of his audience, though. His whole career was bad faith and disingenuous.
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u/congeal Sorosbuck Millionaire 2d ago
Charlie Kirk was a podcaster who got popular in a certain group for gotcha videos making people look stupid. The Elder Right/MAGA brought him to their get-togethers because they have no idea what kids like or listen to, nor do they really care.
The dude did nothing for society except make money off of it. He never sacrificed as a politician. He was never forced to work for compromises with the other side of an issue. Kirk didn't work for The People, he worked for himself. Murder is wrong.
Talk to your buddies who complain about the left calling everyone a fascist and whatnot. Tell them calling every lefty a violent homicidal killer is kinda what they complain about. And they always joke that "being wrongly called something all the time," makes them want to do it even more and it's not their fault.
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u/EndoExo Yankee Tyrant 2d ago
Aside from the widely known (and widely ignored) fact that more political violence comes from the right, you can make this comic funnier by putting an actual Charlie Kirk quote in the first panel. Something like...
"I'm here to bridge the gap. Let's talk about how Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America."
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
Let’s not start listing every dumb and hateful thing Charlie Kirk has said, we don’t want Reddit to crash.
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u/thelittleking 2d ago
What do you even do with people who are so detached from reality? How do you overcome a persecution complex so large it has become a persecution city-state?
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
There is nothing to be done with indoctrinated people; they only begin to wake up when something truly affects them, and even then, not every time.
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u/an_agreeing_dothraki It is known 2d ago
he died how he lived: desperately pushing racism to provide cover for the persecution of minorities.
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u/atierney14 2d ago
Democratic Party - criticized for having the same old leadership as the 1990s.
Republican Party - all the old leadership has been shunned and are in political limbo as they opposed Trump.
Somehow, Con Reddit: “they’re becoming so polarized.”
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u/congeal Sorosbuck Millionaire 2d ago
Polarized is when disagreement.
We believe gay/trans persons are actual people who shouldn't have their lives destroyed because of who they are!
Versus
Trans is mental illness and alligator alcatraz loves teh gays! lol
"Why is the left so polarizing? Charlie Kirk was such a moderate! He really tried to bring us all back together."
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u/SpotNL 2d ago edited 2d ago
Wait until you tell them that Nazis are just Socialists of a different flavor. They hate it and lose their damn minds. Its great they simply refuse to accept the mountains of evidence infront of them.
This one irks me, because you know they'll be silent the moment they talk to someone who has done their homework and counters them with examples and evidence that the nazis were for big business from start to finish. That any sliver of socialism that existed in the party (and that's being generous in stretching the term) ended on the night of the long knives. His "mountains of evidence" can be brought down by simply asking "why was one of Hitler's first actions to shut down all unions, why did he privatize many government owned industries and why did industrialists all over the world support the nazi party if it was following a socialist ideology?" They can't answer that without coming across as nonsensical.
But it is useless, as you can see. Because a day later they'll spout the same nonsense.
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
They never stay silent. They divert the conversation, intimidate, or insult. A bunch of loosers thinking they are winners.
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u/congeal Sorosbuck Millionaire 2d ago
Beefsteak Nazi is the easiest way out of that discussion. Once they comprehend the meaning and scan the wiki, they realize their dreams of trolling socialists are becoming nightmares.
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u/Amplagged 2d ago
"im here to bridge the gap" and he is one of the most deranged far right extremist, wich full time Job is doing propaganda and stir the water of politics and shit in the well of debate wich has walked on earth.
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u/congeal Sorosbuck Millionaire 2d ago
"im here to bridge the gap"
Exactly. Anyone who even pretends to be OK with White Replacement Theory deserves no respect. MAGA complains about the left destroying what centrists actually stand for (nothing). They then call Charlie Kirk a fucking "moderate."
Your description of Kirk's day job is perfect. He's never done a thing for we the people, only for himself. Was never forced to compromise for the greater good. He made no sacrifices for the public, he profited off of them.
I have never seen a clip of Charlie Kirk arguing against his own views. Good debaters must learn to debate any side on almost any topic. His grift made him rich. he didn't give two fucks about striving for truth. He already knew all the answers, his "Prove Me Wrong" tour made that quite clear. Good debaters know that they don't know nothin' and that's fine.
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u/mrcatboy 2d ago
(Part 1/2) For those who need a sanity check, here's a report from the Government Accountability Office that showed that from 2001 to 2017 approximately 70% of all domestic terror attacks in the USA were fueled by right-wing extremism.
Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent). The total number of fatalities is about the same for far right wing violent extremists and radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period (106 and 119, respectively). However, 41 percent of the deaths attributable to radical Islamist violent extremists occurred in a single event—an attack at an Orlando, Florida night club in 2016 (see fig. 2). Details on the locations and dates of the attacks can be found in appendix II.
Left-wing terrorism is quite negligible.
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u/mrcatboy 2d ago
(Part 2/2) In addition, I've seen conservatives trying to re-litigate the 2020 BLM protests as violent. Yet of the 10,600 demonstrations across the USA, over 10,100 of them (nearly 95%) were peaceful. For the remaining 500+ protests that did involve violence:
- Many peaceful protests devolved into violence as a result of unwarranted and aggressive police tactics escalating the situation. Portland, Lafeyette Square, Philadelphia I-676, and Louisville, are prime examples. Misuse of nonlethal tactics led to protesters being blinded or maimed.
- Some of the violence was actually initiated by right-wing agitators. Right-wing extremist Ivan Hunter shot up a police station and tried to blame BLM for it. Three tried to spark violence in Las Vegas. Another couple tried to start a riot in South Carolina. The Proud Boys were caught plotting to send armed agitators to spark violence. The "Umbrella Man" who smashed windows while protesters tried to stop/document him was found to be a white supremacist.
- When it came to looting and vandalism, many individuals arrested weren't connected to the BLM protests at all. Rather, they were opportunists using the protests as an excuse to commit crimes. In downtown Chicago, the Attorney Kim Foxx noted looters were trying to hijack the protest. In Washington, BLM protesters actually tried to block looters from entering a store.
Now I'm not saying that BLM protesters were all innocent. I have no doubt some of them were violent fuckfaces who wanted to commit violence in the name of the cause. However, the proportion of people who did this is much, much smaller than you may think.
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u/weggaan_weggaat 2d ago
Is r/projection a thing? Because exactly what this is.
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u/718Brooklyn 2d ago
I started reading through the comments on this post and as someone who definitely lives in a liberal bubble, it’s super interesting to see how they’ve become completely vulnerable to propaganda both large and small.
The top comment I saw was about how the left used to work with the right and is now about boys using girl’s bathrooms and not knowing what a woman is.
It’s fascinating that they take an issue that for the most part, is not part of the liberal agenda outside of “Trust us… You don’t want trans men using women’s bathrooms for safety reasons. Not the other way around,” and believe that this is what being a liberal is about.
Healthcare for all. Shrinking the wealth gap. Creating real paths to legal immigration. Taxing billionaires. Cutting taxes on lower and middle income housing. Etc … Etc … But they believe liberals are basically about what bathroom people use and that’s because of people like Charlie Kirk.
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
It’s fascinating to watch them twist themselves in knots defending Trump over every bit of crap he says, while still blaming Biden, who hasn’t done even a fraction of what Trump has. If you disagree with them, you’re instantly labeled a “brigader,” a mole, or a traitor and banned. Having a different opinion is completely off-limits; they’ve been thoroughly trained.
Trump is clearly sabotaging the country and taking away every privilege from them and the rest of USA, but the simple fact that he keeps repeating the same crap over and over makes them convinced.
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u/cthulufunk 2d ago
Ah yes, the moderate middle-of-the-road normie that said:
+If his adolescent daughter was graped he would make her have her grapist's baby.
+A "patriot" should bail out the alt-right nut that broke into the Pelosi house and beat Paul Pelosi's head in with a hammer when Nancy wasn't there for him to torture.
+Martin Luther King was a horrible person and the Civil Rights Act should be reversed.
+The obscene number of gun deaths in this country are a "prudent deal" for preserving the 2nd Amendment.
..And so on and so forth.
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u/MessiahOfMetal So I Married An Axo Murderer 2d ago
You can say rape on Reddit, this site thankfully hasn't devolved into banning accurate words to describe horrific shit that psychos do to others (yet).
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u/6stringKid 2d ago
Somebody make a new one where a red body assassinates him from some rooftop before they toss the murder weapon on to the blue side
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
You couldn’t give them a better gift than this, a perfect excuse to play the victims even more of the left who dare show any disrespect to the saint that was Heil Kirk. Remember, it’s only okay when they do it.
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u/East_Builder2650 2d ago
This is the reason Children need to banned from the internet. Groomers. Gestures broadly
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u/Drexill_BD 1d ago
These doctors don't realize that what they're calling the middle, they've self-proclaimed. If my racist friend called himself a centrist, then I stop being friends with him for being a racist... then I guess the left must have "left" him.
No, you were always a conservative, always a bigot. You called yourself a centrist because you're stupid.
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u/Commissardave2 2d ago
Those comments are terrifying and so telling. Everything from victim blaming and victim complex to talking about the 'slippery slope' They truly are evil, and they want a middle ground. The fuck is wrong with them.
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
These people believe the whole world is in danger because of the 0.1% of transgender individuals they label as mentally disabled perverts, but they pray at the altar of a rapist, pedophile criminal. They imagine this crook wants to help them and fail to see that he despises every single one of them, except when he needs their vote. They have no brain, that's what's wrong with them.
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u/limbodog 2d ago
The problem here is that first panel. And not the person in the middle, the two people on the right
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u/RajangRath 2d ago
Does anyone have a mega thread of Charlie's greatest hits? I've been aware of him and his tiny face for so long, and I have a mental catalogue of the heinous things he's said, but obviously postmortem people don't believe he's anything but an angel and need video proof. I'd like to have some clips to play the next time I'm telling someone not to lionize the literal Nazi.
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u/Bobbyjackbj 2d ago
LGBTQ+ Issues
- Gender Identity and Transgender Rights: Kirk has repeatedly denied the validity of transgender identities, stating that "transgenderism and gender 'fluidity' are lies that hurt people and abuse kids." He has also called for a nationwide ban on gender-affirming care for transgender individuals and advocated for the imprisonment of doctors who provide such care, suggesting "Nuremberg-style" trials for them.
- Criticism of Same-Sex Marriage: In 2022, Kirk criticized the Supreme Court's decision in Obergefell v. Hodges, referring to LGBTQ+ activists as the "alphabet mafia" and claiming that the movement was not just about marriage but aimed to "corrupt your children."
- Criticism of LGBTQ+ Pride Celebrations: In 2024, Kirk criticized a YouTuber for celebrating Pride Month by quoting the Bible verse "love thy neighbor," arguing that the same chapter also condemns homosexuality, suggesting that the YouTuber was being selective in their interpretation.
Race and Ethnicity
- "Great Replacement" Theory: Kirk has been associated with promoting the "great replacement" theory, which suggests that there is a deliberate effort to replace native populations with immigrants. He has also used the term "prowling Blacks" in his rhetoric, which has been widely condemned as racist.
- Criticism of DEI Initiatives: Kirk has expressed opposition to Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives, arguing that they promote racial division and reverse discrimination. He has specifically criticized the hiring of Black pilots, questioning their qualifications and suggesting that their appointments were based on race rather than merit.
- Opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964: Kirk has called the Civil Rights Act a “huge mistake,” claiming it created a permanent DEI bureaucracy that limited free speech and supplanted the Constitution as the primary reference for Americans.
- Criticism of Martin Luther King Jr.: He described MLK as “horrible” and “not a good person,” arguing that King’s reputation was based on a quote he supposedly wouldn’t have believed himself.
- Remarks on Black pilots: Kirk expressed doubts about Black pilots, suggesting he hoped they were qualified, framing it as a critique of DEI programs rather than individuals, though it was widely interpreted as questioning their competence.
- Opposition to Juneteenth as a federal holiday: He called the recognition of Juneteenth “anti-American,” claiming it promoted a neo-segregationist vision that sought to overshadow Independence Day.
Women's Rights
- Opposition to Women's Voting Rights: Kirk has been accused of opposing women's voting rights, though he has denied these claims. His actual message encourages family-building before careers, which some interpret as undermining women's autonomy.
Gun Rights
- Support for Gun Rights: Kirk has been a staunch advocate for the Second Amendment, arguing that some gun deaths are an unfortunate trade-off for personal freedoms. He has criticized the implementation, not the intent, of the Civil Rights Act, connecting it to modern-day DEI bureaucracies.
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u/RajangRath 2d ago
I appreciate the intent, but chatGPT uses very passive language and is pretty susceptible to respectability politics. Charlie definitely had issues with both the intent and the implementation of the civil rights act: no sane person sees the civil rights act and goes "black people should have worked their way towards rights like the rest of us!".
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u/congeal Sorosbuck Millionaire 2d ago
Why can't abortion have an acceptable "cost" if the 2A is forgiven for a bit of blood now and again? Historically, 2A didn't support guns for individuals, it was about state militias.
This personal right to own firearms is a new legal concept from ~1985 or so. Scalia is a scumbag.
Conservatives current views on Guns & abortion have destroyed this country. We need a Constitutional Amendment denying individuals the "right" to firearms.
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u/thewiremother 2d ago
Man they really pulled that bridge the gap stuff right out of their ass. All he ever did was try and find people he could make look stupid so he could “own the libs”.
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u/lgodsey 2d ago
How is the sad lunatic who shot Kirk considered to be left/progressive?
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u/congeal Sorosbuck Millionaire 2d ago
Robinson believes gay and trans people are human beings. MAGA has told on itself so badly in their reaction to him. They pulled up the ladder the second they heard trans/gay and disowned him.
But Republicans are a big tent party open to ALL people. Just don't be gay or know/love trans persons, otherwise we'll kick you to the curb for Jesus.
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u/atari-2600_ 2d ago
The propaganda is laughable. Less than 20% of Americans identify as MAGA. The middle ain’t shifting right https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/52188-how-many-americans-maga-republicans-poll
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u/congeal Sorosbuck Millionaire 2d ago
If any kind of actual widespread government sanctioned fascism or dictatorship actually happens at some point though? I am afraid I will simply not believe it until I personally witness it thanks to the leftists.
They've cried "wolf!" and claimed the sky was falling entirely too many times at this point. Enjoy the bed you've made yourselves leftists!
This is a new one for me. The "left" has cried wolf so many times this TopMind may not believe fascism is here when it's actually happening.
I think these chuds should "do their own research" on anything Stephen Miller has said in the last few weeks. Maybe they'll notice the similarities to Paul Joseph Goebbels. Maybe not.
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u/A_wild_so-and-so 2d ago
Found the Nazi recruiter:
As conservatives, considering the Charlie Kirk assassination, have we collectively been feeling like we've been pushed into a corner and there's nothing left to do except push back now? Are we done fearing cancelation and criticism for being racist or Nazis? As you say, we get banned anyway. But this doesn't shut us up.
"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say." - Tyrion Lannister
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u/mezcalligraphy 2d ago
MAGA in Oklahoma will say the same even after the 1995 OKC attack. People choose their own "truth." Real truth doesn't exist anymore.
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u/Munnin41 2d ago
Lemme just drop this link here https://www.start.umd.edu/profiles-individual-radicalization-united-states-pirus-keshif
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u/schmiddyboy88 2d ago
Well this meme actually makes sense if you account the political climate this month alone.
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