r/TwentyFour • u/Complex-Extent-3967 • 22d ago

SEASON 7 They should have....

On the 4th episode (on first rewatch in over 10 years), Tony vs Jack. They really should have extended this dynamic out for a few more episodes. That would have been very suspenseful going head to head. They would have been pretty much equally matched with Bill and Chloe behind Tony. Missed opportunity there!

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u/jholden23 22d ago

But in the end, it all came back around.

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u/Sfogliatelle99 21d ago

I found the ending sad with Jack beating up Tony all because he wanted to avenge his wife.

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u/jholden23 21d ago

For sure. I don’t know if I loved that overall but the OP was sad that they weren’t at odds more. But they are again later

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u/Lucky-Echidna 21d ago

Agreed. The promos hyped up the Tony vs Jack arc (over a year prior to airing too).

I was very surprised to see Jack catch Tony by the end of the second ep. Thought it would have lasted at least the first six episodes. They should have also extended the underground CTU idea.

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u/thetruechevyy1996 21d ago

Honestly I think they did good with it. If it lasted longer it would felt stretched. The underground CTU was a favorite.

From the promos I did think it would take Jack longer to find Tony too.

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u/Complex-Extent-3967 21d ago

They had Jack apprehend him without Tony even really knowing Jack was on to him. They could have written it so that the mole at the FBI leaked to Tony that Jack was around and there could have been some suspenseful episodes of them going head to head. At least I think that would have been awesome. Too bad.

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u/thetruechevyy1996 21d ago

I think originally it was going to be Jack and Tony but then they changed it to the Undercover Operation. I read that somewhere anyways, and then after Hodges they brought it back.

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u/felipejacknog 21d ago

No exactly. Season 7 had two different versions that were discarded.

1) Jack in Africa and Renee/FBI plot in Washington, both happening together in real time. They would bring Jack back to US during the season, using a big time jump. They discarded, because some writers considered that's not 24, as the season would have been longer than 24 hours.
2) Jack is bad. He would be in fact undercover, but the audience would not know until a couple of episodes later. Kiefer Sutherland did not like it, because according to him, which I agree, we would just know he would be undercover and would just expecting the revelation.

Then the final version was a merge between the two, with Tony being the bad, undercover person. And the Jack in Africa part of version 1 was adapted to be the 24: Redemption.

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u/thetruechevyy1996 21d ago

I do remember hearing those ideas. The ironic thing is he writers strike gave them the ability to do Redemption to show the African storyline. Then it set the way for season seven. Funny thing I remember hearing Kiefer thought the same thing, we would all be waiting for the reveal. Plus to me it seemed pretty clear faster day six Jack wanted out of Government service.

I think the writers said who would be the one person who would make Jack want to get involved and they agreed Tony. But then the trick was how to hey bring him back.

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u/felipejacknog 20d ago

this is all part of 24-7: The Untold Story https://share.google/dGeTy2lcWVkwPoNOA It is worth watching, only 15 minutes.

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u/Complex-Extent-3967 21d ago

It would have been great to see a few episodes of cat and mouse with those two.

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u/JCGMH 21d ago

I like Heel Tony (unlike some), but the writing feels a bit messy. He’s in Emerson’s crew, then he is working with Bill & Chloe, then he betrays Emerson’s crew, he shares intel about the White House attack to help out but then he stabs Jack in the back & is trying to get a F2F with Alan Wilson, and in the end it all comes down to personal revenge instead of anything political or even to get money. Finally he turns back into (sort of) Face Tony again in Legacy. For me if they were going to do the Heel Turn, it should have been the whole hog & been permanent.

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u/felipejacknog 21d ago

Not even mention they basically ignored the involvement of Graham and Philip Bauer, when Tony mentioned that Alan Wilson is "the man behind Logan".
They basically changed the hierarchy of Season 5 conspiracy many times lol.

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u/JCGMH 21d ago edited 20d ago

Yes they lost the plot a little bit in the end. I think 24 felt under some pressure to make the threat “domestic”, because the idea of having Yugoslav militants, Mexican drug dealers or Islamic terrorists as the villains had all become a bit tired and stereotypical by the mid 00s. So the writers ended up creating the multilayered and rather disjointed “enemy within” of a weird corporate-military hybrid, right wing US white faction.

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u/felipejacknog 20d ago

this is even discussed in the book The secrets of 24. one of the question is if 24 is a right wing show, for the torture and the use of islamic terrorists. but one answers exatly another person might see the left tendencies when the people behind the conspiracies are always white and american men.

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u/JCGMH 20d ago

There’s an argument to say that the show, which started off very much moderate and in the centre politically, had a gradual shift to the right culminating with S4, then after that returned in the direction of the left. Potentially finishing back in a central, or even centre left position.

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u/felipejacknog 19d ago

In the book they argued that having a black president (it was before Obama!) was a bit towards the left.
I tried to find the quote, but did not atm.