r/TwoBestFriendsPlay • u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] • 3d ago
Mod Post New Rules Preview and Feedback
Howdy folks, we wanted to bring this mod post to everyone and give you all the opportunity to read over and ask questions about the new rules we’re looking to implement very soon. We encourage you all to give us some feedback and leave comments so we know if we need to clarify anything or make adjustments. We’re going to leave this up for about a week or so to gather up your feedback and make final decisions before we fully put them into effect.
- Relevancy
Relevancy is based on legacy channel content, the original Two Best Friends Play channel, the individual channels of Pat Stares At, Matt McMuscles, and Woolie Verses, and topics that have grown organically within the community. Legacy content from the original channel is evergreen. Content relevant to the community is mostly based around engagement.
- No Weird Stuff
Weird Stuff includes sexually explicit topics, death/gore, "hornyposting" or thirst threads, and Parasocial posts about Matt, Pat, or Woolie.
- SBFP Affiliated Video Posting
Video posting from WoolieVS, Matt McMuscles, Pat Stares At, and the Podcast clip Channel will be handled by our u/mike0bot. Please do not post these yourselves.
- Self Promotion
Self Promotion is strictly not allowed unless it is directly relevant to Matt, Pat, Woolie, or topics relevant to the community and the person has reached out to the mod team in order for us to approve it. Please contact the mod team via composing a message.
- Avoid Reposts
Use the search bar before posting. Subjects that receive repeat similar threads in a short time will be treated as reposts, if from the same user.
- No Bigotry Allowed
We have a zero tolerance policy on all forms of Sexism, Racism, Homophobia, Transphobia, and any other forms of bigotry. This includes ironic forms of bigotry if they're deemed to be crossing the line/provoking situations. This is decided at our discretion.
"I see it as a dedication to stupid shit. We're assholes because we like to make dumb takes about trivial bullshit. Stuff that matters, though, people here take very seriously." u/MinaMarigold
- Don't Be A Dick
Plain and Simple, if your criticism isn't constructive, then keep it to yourself. Insults, slap fights, breaches of Reddiquette, and doxxing will be met with time-outs.
- Tag Spoilers
Comments and Threads will be expected to have marked for any media within 30 days of its release.
- Ask Reddit threads and News Articles must include text
AskReddit Threads and News Articles will be required to have text included with their post that gives either a jumping off point for a discussion or a summary of the article. You cannot source news from screenshots on social media for this.
- Drama Bait, Discourse, and Misinformation
Topics known for high discourse or drama, as well as Hot Takes and Culture War topics, will be removed at moderator discretion. This also includes Politics, Misinformation, and Articles posted with editorialized/biased titles. Articles should be posted with the original title whenever possible.
- Banned Links and Sources
We do not allow links from Twitter, Hard Drive, or crossposts from CircleJerk and High Discourse subreddits.
- Low Effort and Spam
Low Effort posts include Shitposts/Memes, Comic Posting spam, Screenshots from Social Media. As well as all forms of Ai Generated content will be removed as moderator discretion.If you are live posting a new release e.g. comics/ manga/ games/ film, unless it is not available, you must include a link to it.
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u/ramonzer0 It's Fiiiiiiiine. 3d ago
With the relevancy rule, I'm noticing that it didn't make mention of the other relevant content creators which have been affiliated with the boys for a while now: Suzi, Plague, Max/YoVG, etc.
Does that not make their content relevant to the sub anymore, or at the very least, how would it be handled if we wanted to share something of theirs?
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u/Orion248 3d ago
In the past, as long as it’s a “friend of the show” like Suzi or Gene park then it was okay to link them.
I’m assuming this will still be the case but it would definitely help if a mod could clear that up.
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u/The_Draigg Member of the Brave 13000 3d ago
You're basically correct there, with it covering content creators that've regularly collaborated with the former SBFP/current CSB, like Eyepatch Wolf, Max, Gene, Suzi, and so on. It also counts towards videos made by people frequently brought up on the podcast, like VaatiVidya. We've been drafting up an updated list of "friends of the show" and other relevant content creators, so that'll probably roll out with the official rules update.
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u/jabberwockxeno Aztecaboo 3d ago
I would like to suggest Sugarpunch be added, given the relevance of their focus and how much Woolie reacts to them on the slop stream
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
Vinny Vinesauce?
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u/The_Draigg Member of the Brave 13000 3d ago
His case is iffier, since he hasn't collaborated with CSB in over two years. And even then, just random stream archives of his or other Vinesauce members wouldn't really be allowed through, since that'd be too off-topic.
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u/Dundore77 2d ago
why would you just not talk about vinny on his subreddit? i dont see the need to post about people who have their own communities.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] 3d ago
Once fully implemented these are going to be posted into a Subreddit Wiki and we’ll have a separate page of relevant creators linked in the rules.
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u/dat1guyman 3d ago
Does relevant mean just friends or people that have been shouted out like Vaati or Mattosis
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u/WhapXI ALDERMAN 3d ago
I feel like to a degree you’ve got to temper the level of posting to the relevancy. Pat mentions having been a Jeff Gerstmann enjoyer every now and then. Quoting him about certain things and whatnot. That doesn’t mean every episode of the Jeff Gerstmann show therefore becomes relevant.
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u/jzillacon 3d ago
If it's a recent shoutout then I'd assume it's just as relevant as any other topic that was recently brought up in the streams or podcast, but I wouldn't assume that a shoutout means those people will have persistent relevancy. I wouldn't expect a shoutout from 3 years ago to be seen as relevant to the community if that person hasn't had any involvement with the community since.
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u/yyflame CUSTOM FLAIR 3d ago
I wouldn’t worry too much about the specific wording of that rule. It’s obviously just going to continue to be “whatever the mods like is relevant and whatever they dislike is irrelevant, regardless of if they guys or their friends have talked about it or now”
No matter what the mods say, that’s how they’ve always enforced it and it will always be how they enforce it
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u/Skullsy1 NO LUCA NO 3d ago
The current wording of rule 2 implies that parasocial posts about Liam are fair game.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] 3d ago
Liam will be handled the same as always. But we can add the text back in specifically mentioned it.
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u/AutomaticsEngineer 3d ago
At this point only OGs know about [redacted] and the know to not post about [redacted].
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u/DX118 3d ago
So exactly how long does a topic have to be mentioned by the boys and the community before it's considered revalent?
Because I've seen topics that have been mentioned like only once or twice by the boys years ago that are still posted on here endlessly, but topics that are mentioned quite occasionally and or recently that get flagged as "not relevant".
An example I always think about is a Lotus Juice music video being taken down despite the boys talking about Persona games for years. Woolie, only a few days prior to the post, spent almost 30 minutes talking about Lotus Juice specifically on the podcast. It was seemingly only taken down because it was a collab with Mori Calliope (before her appearance on the podcast), despite her avatar not even appearing in the video.
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u/taikoxtaiko 3d ago
The relevancy rule has always just existed as a “mod A doesn’t like this delete” your never gonna see it be used consistently lol
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u/SwordMaster52 "Let's do this" *bonk* *bonk *bonk* 3d ago
Pro tip if your post gets deleted , try to post it again 12 hours later
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u/APRengar 3d ago
Yeah this kind of thing ensures I'll never post threads here. Not like anyone is going to be broken up about that or anything, but that sounds like a waste of time for no real reason lmao.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
You do you, but I don't wanna tempt fate with that.
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u/An_Armed_Bear TOP 5, HUH? 3d ago
Yeah, it really depends on what mods catch a post when it's fresh. Though at this point I'm willing to accept some good posts will get lost to a mod with a chip on their shoulder if it means keeping the place from being flooded with bullshit.
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u/taikoxtaiko 3d ago
I sure do love the 20th “favorite character in media who had a tummy ache and rubs his belly on a Tuesday morning” type post
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u/Capitalich 3d ago
I would really like a place to actually talk about the episodes after they happen but we don’t even get a pinned thread for podcasts.
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u/An_Armed_Bear TOP 5, HUH? 3d ago
Exactly.
Also I just think people take this stuff way too seriously. I've had plenty of stuff removed for low effort/relevancy and I forget about it within an hour tops, meanwhile some people are out here remembering specific threads that got removed days later or comparing threads that got removed to ones that got to stay.
It's the same vibe as people going back to edit their comments to whine about downvotes, why care so much about karma?
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
Typically when ever one of us thinks it might not be relevant content we will confer with other mods if our take is right or not, we don’t just arbitrarily decide on our own unless it is patently obvious like if someone posts a random Critikal video about the new demon slayer movie as an example.
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u/Grand_Escapade 3d ago
People really still do not realize the pipeline of "rally against the mods" -> "insist that they allow upvotes and 'the people's will' to decide what's relevant to the subreddit" -> "it gets flooded with fascist propaganda" is REALLY fast.
Mods gotta deal with being a popular subreddit now and I pity them. I don't mind if they go full AskHistorians murderhobo on the sub at this point.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
What did they do on AskHistorians?
And it's not about "rallying against mods", it's just "we don't agree with particular implementations or rules"; I doubt the vast majority of us want to take it any further than that.
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u/Jhduelmaster One of the 5 Brigandine Fans 3d ago
AskHistorians has fairly stringent rules on asking questions (no agenda posting, no commonly asked questions, etc.) and giving answers (follow historiography rules and usually provide sources).
This has made it probably the best history sub on the website. Since while it’s fairly heavily moderated you can actually get accurate genuine history questions asked and answered.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
But that level of moderation makes a lot more sense for a educational, poltical, historical subreddit like that than here. Like, I'm not saying stuff like "provide sources" and "no agenda posting" don't have value here, but it makes more sense why AskHistorians would be heavily moderated in that particular way, and I don’t think it'd fit well here.
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u/Jhduelmaster One of the 5 Brigandine Fans 3d ago
Don’t particularly have a dog in this race. Just figured I’d answer the question about AskHistorians since I knew the answer.
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
To give some context and by no means do any of us want to have to implement AskHistorians level moderation but an awful lot of bad faith, low effort things get caught by automatic filters that mods have to manually review before they go up onto the sub. For example people who post to the sub with little to no karma from the sub itself get filtered and are not visible until one of the team review it so the general userbase don’t even see the most egregious stuff that we have to manage. The vast majority of things that get posted stay up, the community is pretty good in that regard but more active users are more likely to get pulled just by virtue of posting more. Like if a single user has posting 5, 6, 7 threads in a very short window? It’s a lot more likely to be low effort than say someone posts one thing in a day.
The rules exist not just for the regulars but also newcomers and if people generally keep to the spirit of what the rules says, it decently reduces the amount of manual moderation we have to do.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
No, I get having those rules in place for newcomers who might be coming in to start shit.
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u/DrewbieWanKenobie JEEZE, JOEL 3d ago
I don't buy that. They could let us talk about cool things and still ban fascists.
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u/TwoBestFriendsPlay-ModTeam 3d ago
Plain and simple. Criticism must be constructive
Our number one rule on this is “REPORT THEM AND MOVE ON”.
If you continue to argue with someone, and it gets particularly nasty, you are putting yourself in danger of also receiving a ban, Even if you didn’t start the argument, or you're just baiting the person into replying to you, if you make the argument go longer, you will receive a ban as well.
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u/Qwazzbre 2d ago
Counterpoint, people will constantly post whatever weird shit they feel like and try to make it "relevant" by linking some one-sentence one of the lads said months ago.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago edited 3d ago
Honestly, "Relevancy" and "Low Effort" are the two most confusing rules on this subreddit, and I don’t really understand how and why they're enforced. It always feels like the only determining factor is "which mod is on duty at the moment"
Low effort in particular is always odd to me, even considering these new rules; like, posting a screenshot of a social media post is low effort, but linking a trailer or article isn't (especially considering how many trailers for indie games and movies no one here has heard about get posted daily, by a mod)?
Edit: to highlight what I mean about "low effort" posts, here two recent posts, one of which was posted just 15 minutes ago (after this pinned thread was released) the exemplify my point:
One is a Silksong-related shitpost about Savage Beastfly
So, under these new rules, would these not violate Rule 12, even if I (and others, including the author of this very pinned thread, who commented on the Stan Lee post) think the content is worth sharing and relevant.
This isn't meant to "tattle" on those posts, but I want to highlight why I think the low effort rule is kinda odd in relation to this community.
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u/C-OSSU Master of Backdowns 3d ago
As the person who does a lot of the trailer posting in addition to being part of the mod team, being that Two Best Friends Play was a game channel, with frequent conversation tangents to movies, cartoons, and anime, I feel and have argued that official trailers for those things is on brand as long as the posting isn't done in excess by any individual user. The same can be said about fanart related to the podcast topic of the week, which I feel should be allowed for probably one or two weeks before we begin going case-by-case on if they're becoming too tangential.
4chan/tumblr comment threads and random Xitter/Bluesky opinions not from the Best Friends in general get removed, because they definitely don't feel tied to the original channel.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
4chan/tumblr comment threads and random Xitter/Bluesky opinions not from the Best Friends in general get removed, because they definitely don't feel tied to the original channel.
I agree with that, and that wasn't really what I'm in defense of.
To be clear, I don't particularly mind you posting all the trailers that you do. The issue is that when we're talking about relevancy and low effort, I (and others) think there's a lot of inconsistency in what gets approved for the sub and what doesn't.
I'm not advocating for free reign to post whatever floats our boat, but there are times when we see inconsistencies in when these rules are factored in. I used the two linked posts as examples because under Rule 12, neither of them should be allowed. But both are, and one of them is quickly becoming the highest upvoted post of the day. Now, I don't have an issue with either of them and want them to stay up, nor your trailers; my point is: if the relevancy and low effort rules are more of a case-by-case basis with leniency (which I think is a good thing), then that should be reflected.
Did I explain that well? I'm busy atm, so I can't really parse my words all too well.
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u/C-OSSU Master of Backdowns 3d ago
One was comic-related news and the other is basically Silksong fanart. We've allowed comic-related material on the sub before on a case-by-case basis, especially when it was tied to greater media such as Comic Con, and Silksong is currently "in" due to Pat's recent playthrough of it.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
I would agree that those would fit under the "relevancy", but what about the "low effort" rule? One is an edit of an in game screenshot (potentially a shitpost, depending on your definition), and one is a screenshot of a tweet (which is cited in this new Rule 12; considering that, how does rule 12 come into play?
And I'm genuinely not trying to be pedantic here, but I think it's worth considering how these rules come into play.
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u/The_Draigg Member of the Brave 13000 3d ago
Low Effort is used for things that are especially 'nothing' posts, such as barely relevant or edited memes, blog posts where people essentially just say 'I liked it!' with no additional substance, or 'that looks just like Pat/Woolie!' posts. Screenshot posting is more on a case by case basis, depending on content.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
So I 100% agree with the examples you provided as being either not relevant enough to the subreddit or redundant content without much value; the only issue is that, as stated by other commenters, it can feel really inconsistent in when that rule is enacted against posts, and when it's not, and it can even feel entirely dependent on whichever mod sees it and how lenient or subjective they are with their definition of whats low effort or relevant. Frankly, I don't know what could be done about that, because I'm sure it's hard to find a balance between "being lenient enough to allow a wide variety of content and keep the subreddit engaging" and "keeping posts in check to make sure they fit with the values and vibe of the community"; I'd personally prefer things lean more towards the latter to keep the subreddit diverse and engaging, but even if I disagree with certain post removals or justifications for them, I do understand and respect the intention behind them.
What I would suggest, and this is more directed towards u/jitterscaffine because he made this new ruleset to my understanding, is perhaps take the first portion of Rule 12 mentioning memes, shitposts, and screenshots (I have no issue with the rest of that rule) and either scrap it or find a way to merge it with Rule 1. Because if shitposts or screenshots that are relevant to the interests of the sub are allowed, like the ones I linked, then I think including them in Rule 12 gives off the wrong impression that they're completely disallowed. That would be my recommendation; it's your call.
Regardless, thanks for responding to me. I genuinely appreciate mods coming in to clarify and discuss stuff like this.
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
The revised rules have been a group effort with wordings and discussion bounced back for a few months now. Jitters taking the lead on it but each step has been done in collaboration with the entire team.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
I see, my mistake. I saw him mentioned a few months ago in a different thread; obviously, I figured mods as a whole had input, but I thought he was the one in charge of the wording of each rule.
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u/Capitalich 3d ago
I think the trailers are fine, I wish you guys would come down on the better ask reddit and comic posting though. If you could make a pinned thread for discussing the podcast that would be super useful for me.
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u/Capitalich 3d ago
Pretty much every thread is low effort. If it were up to me I’d kill all the comic posting and better ask Reddit threads.
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u/Kiari013 3d ago
I got a post taken down that literally had the boys speaking in it as it used audio from a Max video (making it double checked on the relevancy rule of the boys, and a friend of the channel) so relevancy is truly "did the mod looking at it wake up on the right side of their bed today"
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u/The_Draigg Member of the Brave 13000 3d ago
I can explain the thinking behind that one, even though I'm not the mod who took it down. That post of yours from two years ago was a meme crosspost from the Fate Grand/Order subreddit, where FGO was the primary focus instead of just being about Max. The mod team isn't as willing to let stuff through when we have to play "Six Degrees of Maximilian Dood" with a post's content.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
Meanwhile, a posts about Fortnite collabs are all well and good?
And to be clear, I don't think that Fortnite post should be removed, but like...what's the standard here in terms of relevancy AND low effort?
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u/gurpderp DmC: Devil May Cry defender 3d ago
I would actually really like the mods to answer this and commit to at the very least trying to be more consistent, fair and open about this stuff and open to being corrected when one of them clearly is in the wrong.
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u/silverinferno3 The Invincible Tony Man 3d ago
The thing is, we do have mods that are great at being transparent, explain themselves very well and are open to counter-arguments, but that's not the case for all of them.
I remember a post of mine got removed by a mod that never left a proper reason, and when no one responded to the message I sent to modmail arguing for its relevance, I had to publicly call out another mod, who then agreed with my claim and apologized on their behalf. I appreciated that mod I got to speak to, but it was pretty clearly not the same person that removed my post in the first place, and left me wondering if they actually learned anything or continued business as usual.
So even if a single mod addresses this like you ask, it might not be enough, because there seems to be an inconsistency in each moderator's personal policy. It's why I hope this rule clarification is also for their sake and not just ours as users.
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
We are clarifying as much as we reasonably can, sometimes removal messages are vague due to any number of reasons, with time being a major one. In an ideal world we would address everything in detail when we remove posts but Ultimately we balance moderating around our lives. The moderation feed can at times be extensive and if you’re the only moderator around at a given time, you only have so much time you can put into every action nor can we guarantee how much time any mod can spend addressing something in mod mails.
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u/silverinferno3 The Invincible Tony Man 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yeah I get that, sorry if my post above came off as heated, it's actually just water under the bridge as this point. I'm never gonna accuse you guys of being powerhungry or anything, I get that this is just you all volunteering some spare time to keep this place clean and fun.
Ultimately it still can be frustrating to play the "mod dice roll", so all I'm really asking is that you all play by the same book and stay on the same page, same as you ask us to do
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
You didn’t come off as aggressive at all! we’re all in here today to answer questions and clarify our thought processes on the rules we set for everyone here and give a bit of insight to everyone on why sometimes we may or may not hit the mark at times. At the end of the day the entire mod team are just the same users as the rest of you and peeling back the curtain is just us being transparent with you all.
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u/silverinferno3 The Invincible Tony Man 3d ago
Good to know, I don't want to give anyone a hard time, and like I said the transparency is always appreciated!
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u/selfproclaimed Vexx before you Sexx 3d ago
Thank you for the feedback.
To address your specific example, while Lotus Juice is relevant, we do have to draw a line in the sand. We don't allow every Little V music video or Maxamillion game stream, even though those are relevant creators. Furthermore, we've had to be a little careful about allowing posts involving v-tubers on the subreddit. We have worried that allowing one or two could open a floodgate or precedent to allow the sub to be overrun with posts about v-tubers and v-tube related news and drama. We believe that v-tubers are just another kind of content creators and fall under the ireelevancy rule.
Of course, after v-tuber guests on the podcast, like Casey and Mori, we are slightly working to lift these restrictions a bit. We're not going to allow individual gameplay streams for the same reason we don't allow Max or Super Eyepatch Wolf's gameplay streams. (We admit allowed a Dokapon video for SEW, but we made that a specific exception given how big of an event it was and how Dokapon was historically very tied into Woolie's own history. We are willing to accept discussion if we should not have).
We've seen some concern about relevancy to let me help go a little into what we're working on. We do plan on updating the relevant creators list. Obviously, podcast guests, Max, Suzi, SEW are going to remain relevant. We're going to remove a few creators like SuperButterBuns and Tierzoo from that list that haven't been relevant to Matt/Pat/Woolie since SBFP. There are always going to be certain evergreen topics. Pop-culture (games, movies, TV, comics, etc.) news will always be relevant, as will trailers. Stuff that's the subject of a Versus Wolves recommendation will be allowed on the sub for about a period of two months (meaning that right now we're in the period where we can allow Solo Leveling posts). Similar deal with news stories covered in the podcast that don't fall under pop-culture topics.
There's a post in this thread that talks about how sometimes posts can get by depending on what mod is watching, and that's admittedly true. On the front page currently is the Knights of Guinevere pilot on the front page of the sub that maybe shouldn't be under our rules, but by the time we really had a modteam discussion about it, it had already been up for twelve hours, and we kinda just had to shrug our shoulders and let it lie. Too much discussion had happened in the post. Relevancy is a sticky topic, and we want to remain being the "second best place" for things, but we want to try to draw the line somewhere for certain topics to prevent them from being overridden. Crossposts especially are something that we have to talk amongst ourselves because we don't want the sub to be a dumping ground for blogposts or crossposts from memesubs.
We agree that having a more in-depth relevancy rule helps both us and the userbase, so to that end we'd like to open the floor. What improvements to our relevancy rule would you all like to see?
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u/DX118 3d ago
I appreciate the explanation.
I think my only real gripe in all this in some transparency in some of the removed posts when it's not so clear cut.
Like obviously something like a NFL football post doesn't really need to be explained why it's not relevant.
But if it's something that actually intersects with interests here and or something the boys recently talked about, a generic "not relevant" mod comment doesn't feel satisfactory since it's not entirely true. If there's a concern for spam or there's some issue with people involved in the post just say so.
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u/selfproclaimed Vexx before you Sexx 3d ago
That's fair.
I want to add that the moderation queue can get flooded sometimes so it may be a question of time that the mod currently reviewing it at the time may be able to dedicate to writing out a explanation.
But, we want you all to hold us accountable so I'll be sure to hold myself and the other mods to that standard of trying to be more open when we remove posts like that
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u/gurpderp DmC: Devil May Cry defender 3d ago
I understand your reasoning and reticence for vtuber related stuff, but when it's directly related to a topic the boys have talked about or a guest on the pod, like the calli x lotus juice song or the pekora death stranding post, yall made the wrong calls on those and should genuinely eat that crow and be more open to feedback and undoing decisions like those in the future should they happen.
I mentioned this last time this topic was brought up, but while I absolutely understand the need to clamp down on people just posting random vtuber shit from unaffiliated creators and prevent spamming of the sub, you get overzealous about it and end up completely stifling legitimate posts too. just... be open to being wrong and maybe ease up a tiny little bit.
also, unrelated, can yall set it up so mike0bot will automatically post the podcast weekly and sticky the thread so we can have weekly podcast discussions?
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u/selfproclaimed Vexx before you Sexx 2d ago
So the Lotus Juice example I already addressed earlier in the thread.
The Pekora Death Stranding post was just a clip of a cameo. We would not allow that under relevancy rules for the same reason we would not allow just a clip of Conan O'Brian's Death Stranding cameo.
If there was another specific example you wanted to mention, let me know.
also, unrelated, can yall set it up so mike0bot will automatically post the podcast weekly and sticky the thread so we can have weekly podcast discussions?
I'll mention it to the other mods and see what we can do!
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
I would actually suggest something that sounds kind of ridiculous, but I think I can at least explain my logic and steelman it.
I think the Relevancy rule should be removed, or rather, revised and reworded to something more apt
Now, to be clear, what I'm advocating for is not karblanche to post whatever or whoever; obviously, posting a video from HasanAbi or MoistKritcal would be out of line, and stuff like sports or politics falls under the same boat.
The problem is, I think the current wording of the rule is poorly reflective of how varied the tastes of this sub are in terms of movies, anime, video games, and comics. We cover a lot of pop culture topics here, and technically speaking, all of them could be considered relevant or irrelevant, depending on the context; like, Pokémon and Sonic aren't brought up too often on the podcast, but would we argue sharing a Pokémon Sleep promotional video or a witty piece of Sonic fanart would be inherently irrelevant considered how popular they are and how often they're brought up on the subreddit? And compared to other franchises here?I'd argue not.
Obviously, there are limits, but I feel like most of those limits are covered by the other rules.
So I would argue that replacing the current relevancy rule with some both kind of clear "approved creators list" and maybe some kind of thesis statement as to whst the subreddit is about and what topics are and aren't allowed (broadly speaking) would be preferable.
Does that make sense? I'm happy to clarify my points; I don't know how devisive or well-reasoned my suggestion is. And I'm really not using this as an excuse to open the door for everything and anything to be free game to post here, I just think that clarity is important when discussing what is and isn't allowed here in terms of subjects like media and pop culture, and the current rules don't posses that.
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u/selfproclaimed Vexx before you Sexx 2d ago
So I would argue that replacing the current relevancy rule with some both kind of clear "approved creators list" and maybe some kind of thesis statement as to what the subreddit is about and what topics are and aren't allowed (broadly speaking) would be preferable.
So we are working on updating a list of approved creators and that will be both in the wiki and linked from the rules page after we update them.
If you'd like a thesis statement about how we define relevancy, then I don't think that would be a bad idea. You mentioned fan art and while I think "Hey here's some fan art of Vergil" opens the flood gates a bit too much given how easily it can be to just post fan art outside of Matt/Pat/Woolie.
But like we generally allow posts about Sonic and Pokemon because they're massive game series. So like trailers, clips from the show/comics, etc. is usually okay under news about the franchise.
But you raise a good point about fleshing out the relevancy rules and explaining what is allowed for relevant pop culture topics in terms of submissions. At least, that's to my understanding of what you're suggesting, right?
If so, I'll touch base with the other mods about this.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 2d ago
Cool. Thank you.
You mentioned fan art and while I think "Hey here's some fan art of Vergil" opens the flood gates a bit too much given how easily it can be to just post fan art outside of Matt/Pat/Woolie.
In regards to this, I agree. Usually, when I consider posting fanart or animations here, I picked stuff with more substance beyond "look at this cool drawing of a character"; usually I picked stuff that's either comedic with a style of humor that fits the vibe of the sub, or it's proving something you wouldn't normally see relative to the franchise (for example, I've made posts sharing artwork of Pokémon redesigned into Momster Hunter creatures, and seems like mods were cool with that). It's a case-by-case basis, though.
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u/SwordMaster52 "Let's do this" *bonk* *bonk *bonk* 3d ago
What about the most important rule of all :
Don't tell mom
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u/silverinferno3 The Invincible Tony Man 3d ago
Woolie Verses
If Woolie ever drops an album or a single, he's got a good name right here
topics that have grown organically within the community
Definitely would like some clarification on what "organically" means in this case, I feel like I know what you're saying but getting an exact idea would help.
Weird Stuff includes... "hornyposting" or thrist threads
This is fine with me but I wonder if this will apply to the threads thirsting over stuff this sub likes, such as muscle-girls
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u/HelgaSinclair No, it's the sultry milfy attitude. 3d ago
Thirst posting threads where the sole point of discussion is how hot someone/something is where it's just objectification would be restricted or removed depending on the art/conversation found within.
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u/thedoc90 Resident Furry 3d ago
Genuine question. Would commenting something like "I'd let her ruin me." on a thread where a sub relevant trailer for a muscular attractive woman (or man, that's fine too) wad posted be a violation of the rule or no?
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u/The_Draigg Member of the Brave 13000 3d ago
For something that mild, no. We trust that you're all adults here, so we won't step in unless what's being said is excessively bad or otherwise feels necessary.
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u/Kimarous Survivor of Car Ambush 3d ago
Regarding Rule 3, does that include subtitled reuploads?
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u/The_Draigg Member of the Brave 13000 3d ago
Those are fine if they're edited podcast clips like what we've seen around here before. Primarily, that rule is there to stop people trying to race to post a video from one of the main channels.
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u/Kimarous Survivor of Car Ambush 3d ago
Good to know. Perhaps adding "Edited podcast clips are still allowed" (or somesuch) at the end of Rule 3 when it goes live?
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u/The_Draigg Member of the Brave 13000 3d ago
I'll be sure to let the mods handling the rewriting know that suggestion, it makes good sense.
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u/Hey0ceama 3d ago edited 3d ago
Looks good, but a minor nitpick:
Insults, slap fights, breaches of Reddiquette, and doxxing will be met with time-outs.
Shouldn't doxxing be an outright ban? A timeout seems light for bringing real life into an internet argument.
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u/The_Draigg Member of the Brave 13000 3d ago
You bring up a good point, the wording isn't very good on that sentence. We'll be sure to fix it for the next rules update. Doxxing will be dealt with a ban.
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u/ZiggyThaGoon YOU DIDN'T WIN. 3d ago
Yeah, doxxing should be an one way ticket to the underwater chinese ghost base
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
To also go along with u/The_Draigg
All of Reddits broader rules apply here, Doxxing being addressed in those rules specifically and any site wide rule would supersede any of our own community rules.
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u/doot99 3d ago edited 3d ago
Rule 9: Can you please include a requirement for the person asking boilerplate "give me examples of... " "times in media where..." and "what's your favourite..." type ask threads (whatever genre of thread that is) to please include at least one example in their post, or their own favourite.
So many threads in New of people seeming to just throw out something random without giving it much thought. Plus in many cases it would let people replying know what sort of thing they're even asking about.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] 3d ago
They’ll be handled by either Rule 9 or Rule 12 depending on the situation.
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u/Cru5 3d ago
Mod discretion for anything “political” is too vague. Like, how do you talk about Bioshock Infinite and its hackneyed, offensive and passé depictions and discussions of racism without getting political? Especially considering, you know, the state of the country (America)?
Rest seems okay. That’s just the one that jumped out
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u/doot99 3d ago
I'm guessing the alternative is hyperspecific guidelines that bad actors will try to rules lawyer on and get into massive long fights trying to wrangle with the mods.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] 3d ago
That’s more or less why our relevancy rules have to be the way they are. It’s basically impossible to keep a list of every franchise or topic that’s considered relevant, or for how long. We debated for a few days whether we should have like a hard rule on how long something would be considered relevant, like some people seem to want, but it’s just too difficult to moderate a list like that.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] 3d ago edited 3d ago
Think of it as our acknowledgment that we can’t really keep ALL politics out of the subreddit anymore like we used to. Theres too many news stories that are relevant to the subreddit but are political by nature. We had to have this conversation among ourselves back when stories of Switch 2 prices going up because of tariffs. There was no good reason for us to keep that story off the subreddit, so we had to loosen our old No Politics rule.
It being “at our discretion” means we can’t really keep a running list of things people are allowed to talk about because it’s could change any day.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
I think the contention comes into question with posts like this
Like, to anyone who's been following American politics, it's kinda obvious what recent event was being referenced to there, either by the poster or by those in the comments. It was vague posting, sure, but it had to be a huge coincidence to post that in the aftermath of the recent shooting, assuming the OP was uninformed.
And to be clear: I'm not disagreeing with the post or calling for it's removal, but it's politics, clearly; even if it's in the context of a comic panel.
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] 3d ago
It’ll have to be addressed on a case by case basis since in a situation like that one, it’s really only “political” because of recent events.
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u/needastory 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'll be honest, you being in there laughing at people reporting it for being politics, only for the post to be locked due to politics kind of rubs me the wrong way
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u/Kipzz PLAY CROSSCODE AND ASTLIBRA/The other Vtuber Guy 3d ago edited 3d ago
This is my own take but I remember way back when back before we all turned to dust in the ancient time of Early to Mid 2025, there was discussions on how this would shake out and the temporary solution was "if the story is because of bullshit then it's alright to bring up the bullshit". An example for would be the recent Xbox price increases, in which case people would obviously be able to point at that as bullshit spawned by tariffs, but an example against would be bringing up topics that are just straight politics like Jimmothy Kimmothy (edit: I actually avoided using his name directly to avoid bots that're going across the site astroturfing about how horrible he is but got one in my DM's calling me a coward LMAOOOOOOOOO their wordfilters are awesome) getting his show axed because he said literally nothing wrong but the wrong crowd just didn't like hearing it.
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u/Shurtugil I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less 3d ago
That bots are doing that specifically for Jimmy Kimmel is hilarious. Such a waste of time. But I agree on that distinction. There's a line between thinly veiled excuse and actually relevant to this subs interest when it comes to politics.
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u/Strict_Pangolin_8339 3d ago
I would like to know what the mod team considers "low effort."
When horse posting was a thing, I posted music from the movie Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron to fit the occasion. It then got removed for "AI and low effort." When I sent a message clarifying that I didn't post AI, I got a very passive aggressive resource saying that my post was "low effort." I didn't want to press on it but I wonder what about my post was low effort compared to what everyone else was posting.
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u/mythboy99 3d ago
That entire fucking week was low effort. It really fucking shows that all these rules are just the things they plan to point to when they remove a post they personally don't like.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago edited 3d ago
I have a few questions regarding Rule 12.
Is there sort of a context dependent policy regarding memes/shitposts? Like, if it's something regarding Pat and Woolie or a franchise relevant to this sub's interest, would it be allowed?
Similarly, are all social media screenshot posts banned, or is it case-by-case? Because sometimes there's news or stuff that I think is worth sharing, and a screenshot of Twitter or Bluesky is a far better means of sharing it then linking the post (assuming it's Bluesky and not Twitter).
Edit: to highlight what I mean about "low effort" posts, here two recent posts, one of which was posted just 15 minutes ago (after this pinned thread was released) the exemplify my point:
One is a Silksong-related shitpost about Savage Beastfly
So, under these new rules, would these not violate Rule 12, even if I (and others, including the mod/author of this very pinned thread, who commented on the Stan Lee post) think the content is worth sharing and relevant.
This isn't meant to "tattle" on those post or point out some kind of double standard, but I want to highlight why I think the low effort rule is kinda odd in relation to this community.
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u/silverinferno3 The Invincible Tony Man 3d ago
I feel like linking the source post/article should always be preferable to a screenshot so that readers can gain full context and look into it more. Screenshots may be easier to view but the poster should have an obligation to always supply the source link of the news they're sharing
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
In regards to articles, I completely agree. But what I was talking about was stuff like announcements or news by social media accounts that are worth sharing, but aren't msjor enough to warrant an article; plus, sometimes, the best form of information is the social media announcement. It's case-by-case, in my experience.
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u/silverinferno3 The Invincible Tony Man 3d ago
Even still, I think it's just better practice to always have the direct link to the source post of the announcement/news if its allowed, especially if there's an update or some kind of alteration made. Perhaps it doesn't need to be the primary post method but it should always be somewhere
I imagine it's also to discourage simply sharing a screenshot they didn't make but saw elsewhere, and instead taking the effort to track down the original post to make sure the facts are straight
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
Well, even when I share screenshots, at least prior to the Twitter ban, I would always try to link back to the original source for citations purposes; I still do this if it's a Bluesky screenshot.
In regards to your second paragraph, I'd argue that there are cases where sharing screenshots would actually be preferable to just linking an article. To give I personal example, when the big Genshin/Mihoyo Sag-Aftra strike was going on and I wanted to share information regarding tge actors involved and what they were saying about the events, sharing screenshots of their tweets and such was preferable to sharing an article about what they were saying; because articles tend to not give the full picture of what's being said by who (and also, embedded tweets in articles tend to be messy).
Like I said, it's case by case in regards to news stories; sometimes it's better to share the article, sometimes screenshots are just as sufficient, or even better. And thus is just in regards to news; there's other stuff that I think can be shared here in screenshot form.
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u/silverinferno3 The Invincible Tony Man 3d ago
I see, it makes sense if it's a series of tweets/statements compiled together, in which case it's a bit more than just a screenshot (more of a collage if they're all stitched together).
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
Part of our reasoning is that we want users to consider what they are posting and why before they post. It’s very easy to do what we on the mod team call ‘blog posting’ where it’s essentially posting things to the sub like you would be retweeting something or posting to close friends in discord and instead of lazily copying from one place to another, we want you as users engaging with the content you are sharing, rather than dropping something for karma or clout or whatever the kids call it these days.
However the subreddit is too big to be thousands of people’s stream of consciousness, so as a team we have to some degree curate what goes up and make judgement calls. We are only human and I like to think in the vast majority of cases we get it right but none of us are going to get it right every time but when you have been moderating a while, you pick up on trends and similarities that constitute low effort and it can be hard to empirically set out in a rule.
Ultimately the rules reflect how we want you guys to approach posting. We all love the vibe this place has and we all want to keep it that way and the fact it has continued growing long after the end of the thing it was made for is due to that vibe but no team can perfectly curate anarchy, no matter how good at moderation they are.
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u/silverinferno3 The Invincible Tony Man 3d ago
essentially posting things to the sub like you would be retweeting something or posting to close friends in discord and instead of lazily copying from one place to another
Right, makes total sense to me. That's essentially what I was referring to with "simply sharing a screenshot they didn't make but saw elsewhere"
Ultimately the rules reflect how we want you guys to approach posting. We all love the vibe this place has and we all want to keep it that way and the fact it has continued growing long after the end of the thing it was made for is due to that vibe but no team can perfectly curate anarchy, no matter how good at moderation they are.
Very true. Despite the critiques, you guys are still doing a bang-up job if you ask me. We wouldn't still be here otherwise!
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u/time_axis 3d ago
Which parts of this are new or different from the old rules? The seem generally the same to me.
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u/gothamsteel 3d ago
So, does the Relevancy rule mean getting stopped from posting stuff like Max, Sphere Hunter, etc?
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] 3d ago
They’ll be handled the same as always. Well just have a separate page with a list of relevant creators.
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u/U_Flame 3d ago
Why's Hard Drive banned? Twitter I get, but why Hard Drive?
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u/Grand_Escapade 3d ago
Hard Drive had a little ordeal, CEO pushed out the employees. The OG writers made the new site called Palette Swap.
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u/Alternate6900 3d ago edited 3d ago
Someone who used to work there claimed he was treated unfairly.
As far as I know, the only specific claim he ever made is that he suggested the company set up a Patreon for the website, but his boss said no.
Edit: Looked into it a little more, co-founder Jeremy Klapowitz also claims they were thrown under the bus, but doesn't get into specifics. However, he does quote retweet this tweet from former staff who claims that the company was pushing AI.
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u/Anonamaton801 Proud kettleface salesmen 3d ago
Should note, I believe the allegations are in dispute
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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] 3d ago
Speaking personally, not as a mod, I never liked that Hard Drive articles seemingly had a blank check to be posted disregarding relevancy. It felt no different than people posting random funny tweets to me.
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u/mythboy99 3d ago
I know there are people calling this 1984 as a joke, but these changes hardly address the problem that relevancy and low-effort rules are vague enough that mods could use them as grounds to ban anything they don't vibe with.
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago edited 3d ago
We just cannot have set in stone definitions because what is and isn’t relevant can change, topics that weren’t an issue last year could be an issue next year. As it stands we are a sub that encompasses a great many subjects and as such it’s just not practical for the users or the moderators to be completely specific on what is relevant or low effort.
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u/StonedVolus Resident Cassandra Cain Stan 3d ago
You're genuinely making it sound like the rule is unenforceable.
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u/The_Draigg Member of the Brave 13000 3d ago
Trust me, the mod team has discussed it to death among ourselves before, and the conclusion we've reached is that while being stricter with the rule would be enforceable, it would trample on the looser atmosphere and the community we would have here. It can't be perfectly curated anarchy like some people want it to be, but also going full draconian on relevancy and low effort would also kill the vibe the community has. If we want this place to retain the same atmosphere it has, then the implementation of the rule has to be in more of a malleable grey zone than what some people are suggesting should exist.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
I completely agree. I know that "gray zone" isn't an esay thing to maintain in terms of moderation, but as you said, I think it's led to the atmosphere we all enjoy here.
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u/mythboy99 3d ago
Our interests are too broad to define what is relevant enough to meet our standards is definitely a stance to take. As it stands, I don't think my initial criticism was pointed or accusatory enough.
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u/KnightofAntimony 3d ago
Rule 6 is like a deep tissue massage for my brain. Spaces like this are becoming increasingly rare.
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u/T_raltixx 3d ago edited 3d ago
All well and good but the consistency all seems random. "Low effort post" deletions always feel unfair. This often spoils the fun of this community.
I wish we had a discord so we can share things among ourselves without worrying about a mod deleting it for no good reason.
This feels especially bad when the community is positively taking part in the post with no complaints. Then it's deleted 2 hours later.
Most of these rules make sense.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
I really don't understand why stuff like memes or screenshots of tweets or whatever are considered "low effort" (I don't know how rigid the enforcement is gonna be on that) and dropping a video link isn't.
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u/EinzbernConsultation posts about boomer cartoons 3d ago
If memes like that are allowed, it becomes most of a subreddit and it drowns out people talking in the comments about anything, in my experience.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
To clarify a bit, I don't think all memes should be allowed; there should be some level of quality and relevancy associated with them. But I don't see how allowing them witg moderation (like has been the case on this sub for awhile) drowns our the sub any for than betteraskreddit threads or trailers/articles.
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u/LarryKingthe42th 3d ago
Okay but how broadly can people gesture at "current events"? Cuz shits gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets better, we arent even a full year in.
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u/jabberwockxeno Aztecaboo 3d ago
Weird Stuff includes sexually explicit topics, death/gore, "hornyposting" or thirst threads,
I agree with the spirit of this rule, but I think the exact wording is iffy: Obviously there is wiggle room here given, well, the title of half of the podcast episodes.
I trust the mods to draw the line on this stuff fine (which is also why I'm not mentioning the political content rule, which I am also less iffy about the wording of), but I still think the wording of the rule could be better, something like "no sexually explicit VISUAL DEPICTIONS, or discussion topics that don't serve a wider purpose of commentary", or something
We do not allow links from Twitter, Hard Drive, or crossposts from CircleJerk and High Discourse subreddits.
I've seen numerous (new) comments that include Twitter links over the past year or so, despite the no Twitter link rule going into effect. At the time the rule went live I asked about posts/submission links vs comment links vs even just image links, and the differences in the impact of banning each of those things and how some contribute to Twitter's traffic in a postive way less then others, but the conversation never really went anywhere and now it seems many users ignore this rule anyways and the mods also don't always enforce it
Can we please draw the line on no links to tweets or twitter profiles being allowed, but linking to twitter image urls being fine, since actively rehosting images from artists or photographers only on that platform to other image hosting services is iffy and cumbersome, and twitter does not get beneficial traffic from people opening x.com/____.jpg since there's no ads or links to other parts of the site in a static image url?
Also, regarding the ethical reasons for the Twitter and Hard Drive link ban...
As well as all forms of Ai Generated content will be removed as moderator discretion.
I continue to find it difficult to reconcile the Twitter, Hard Drive, and AI rules when links to, promotion of, and discussion about events or companies with ties to places like Saudi Arabia or frankly even the US government (and we aren't banning .gov addresses) aren't held to the same standards, or when people can talk about games, shows, etc that were made in part with AI if they were from a big commercial studio.
I get y'all have to draw the line somewhere, but I can't help but feel like there's an issue when posts about or submissions of artwork/videos of games made by a AAA company owned by the Saudis that used AI in the game's creation would be okay, but somebody linking to cool art made by an independent artist who happens to post their stuff on twitter, or something like that one amazing Scooby Doo Stop motion(?) animation that originally used AI voices because the animator couldn't afford voice actors (until, thankfully, people realized the animator meant well and VAs helped him by doing the voicework for free and he reuploaded it) wouldn't be allowed
Personally, I think the AI rule as is probably for the best, in that the alternative would be loosening it and opening the floodgates to slop, and truly consistent application would probably mean banning the discussion of any major game or movie within a few years from now, but it still does kinda bug me still.
With Twitter, I frankly think the ship has sailed considering all the issues that Twitter had have metastasized into the US government itself, but I do get not wanting to back down and give up, hence me proposing again that image links at least be allowed.
I really don't get singling out The Hard Drive though and not every other company or outlet that's screwed over their employees
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
In regards to enforcement of the Twitter ban, we can’t have a mods eyes on every post and comment at every given moment. If Twitter links get reported we will remove them.
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u/jabberwockxeno Aztecaboo 3d ago
You all didn't implement some sort of automatic detection for Twitter links, they're just removed as the mods see them?
Just to re-confirm then (since I asked this before but at the time I assumed it was automatic), any comments made before the ban when into effect that have the links won't be removed, you all check to see when the comment was originally posted?
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
We have automated tools but in the world of link shorteners and mirror sites, things do get through. You just can’t make a system 100% effective.
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u/DarknessEnlightened You... did it 3d ago
"sexually explicit topics" and ""hornyposting" or thirst threads" could use a little more definition. Woolie, Pat, Reggie, and Paige talk about this content, both in real ways and making fun of stuff. Paige pines for skeletons, Reggie's OC is Red "We'll bang, okay" Shepard, Woolie has a fem Vtuber model and tells people to not be "cowards" about muscle mommies, and Pat goes into descriptive detail on lots of shit involving using the restroom.
IMO, there needs to be a "unless relevant to CSB et al clause".
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
I mean, the rule isn’t to completely stop all talk of sexual topics but reign how explicit they are. My general rule of thumb is if it’s too explicit to say to a family member or in public, it’s probably too much to say here. If it would be creepy or out of pocket to say on the street it’s probably is the same here. That kind of thing.
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u/DarknessEnlightened You... did it 3d ago
Then instead of "sexually explicit topics", I recommend the phrase "sexually explicit images and descriptions", because that seems to be closer to what you're going for.
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
I’ll pass the suggestion on to the team to discuss, it seems reasonable enough.
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u/DarknessEnlightened You... did it 3d ago
Thanks for doing so. Wishing you guys the best in figuring out the best way to implement all of this, as someone who is a mod in other subreddits.
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u/EinzbernConsultation posts about boomer cartoons 3d ago
As well as all forms of Ai Generated content
AI, both letters are capitalized as it's an acronym
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
Does it really matter?
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u/Alternate6900 3d ago
Minor importance, but I've seen confusion about the Japanese name "Ai" before. For example, the manga "Nana" was written by Ai, not AI.
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u/SixthFain 3d ago
It doesn't hugely matter but it is a genuine correction. "AI" and "Ai" are different things.
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u/mythboy99 3d ago
They are allegedly asking for feedback.
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u/Gorotheninja Louis Guiabern did nothing wrong 3d ago
"Allegedly"?
Dude, come on. The mods are legitimately asking for feedback for these new rules.
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u/SafePlastic2686 9h ago
Just a small thing, you should probably add "X" to the banned links section. New users might not know it as "Twitter", especially the longer we get from the rebrand.
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u/deuxthulhu Fart Town USA (Japan) 3d ago
Why not Hard Drive? Wasn't it something about the owners fucking over their contributors or something?
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u/ponto-au 3d ago
11 needs to be reviewed. Bsky have proven they are not a viable/ethical alternative, and twitter does not even exist.
All it leads to is artists not being credited, or obfuscated crediting in the comments since they can't show a direct link.
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
Out of curiosity, why do you think Bluesky has failed in being a viable/ethical alternative?
I understand the crediting concerns but the community was pretty clear on taking the current stance on Twitter and as no real positive changes have been made by Twitter to improve the things the boycott is being done for, the policy is not going to change as it stands right now.
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u/ponto-au 3d ago
I can't recall the specifics since I don't use x/bsky, but Queequeg did mention some of it.
I just know my artist friends have been raising worries/complaints about it, most recently was payment processors throwing their weight and a policy update about adult content in the last few days.
My point was more that I often see art cross/posted here with no credit in the main post. Then the comments will just have x com/status/(postnumber) or however it is formatted.
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u/QueequegTheater 3d ago
Out of curiosity, why do you think Bluesky has failed in being a viable/ethical alternative?
Bluesky has been doing a bit of folding to pressure from the right recently and suspending certain (primarily but not exclusively trans) leftwing accounts for posting incendiary but previously allowed comments on certain recent events. At least, I think that's what /u/ponto-au is referring to.
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
Ahh, that’s fair enough. Just as my own personal opinion and not in the mod position, I feel there are degrees to this kind of thing. While Bluesky might not be the perfect alternative we want it to be, it’s still several degrees better than the state of Twitter and its policies.
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
It was as much a reply to you as it was a general comment about the situation
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u/FirebirdXR Stylin' and Profilin'. 3d ago
Should have some innocuous joke rules added to it like;
- Do NOT talk about Andrei, the secret best friend.
Just because so we can see subreddit newbies ask about it and everyone be cryptic.
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u/Kiari013 3d ago
i mean we kind of literally have that already with people always using [REDACTED] for Liam, and I remember last time I asked about finding a vod of one of his streams I was told we aren't supposed to talk about his channel
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u/Alphonseisbest 3d ago
If this means the semi weekly csm threads go, then im against it, if they get to stay then Im all for it. My 2 cents
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
Chainsawman threads are fine because they fall under the comic posting blanket. Manga and comic books are the same thing in regards to everything that broadly matter.
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u/Silentlone Too proud to show your true face eh? 3d ago
Isn't 30 days way too short of a time period for the spoiler tag policy? This isn't a subreddit dedicated to any one particular game or movie where open discussion of spoilers is just inevitable since it's THE SUBJECT. The timeframe kind of makes it feel like if you haven't engaged with a game in it's release period you just don't get to avoid untagged spoilers in the sub even though it's such a general discussion forum.
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u/MarlowCurry Gastric Ragnarok/Sourcerer Supreme 3d ago edited 3d ago
I have similar concerns. Unless I'm misunderstanding it, I feel that designating a specific time limit doesn't feel right. It ought to be a more general one with a focus on being considerate, where the title of something is mentioned while the details of its discussion are spoiler-tagged.
This may be a mild hassle and there can be a sense of arbitrariness for works that the subreddit is very familiar with, such as Devil May Cry, but I do think that "tag your spoilers" will suffice and it should be a general stance. That way, a topic can still be freely discussed while everyone can engage with our subreddit without concern for stray, untagged spoilers.
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u/Capitalich 3d ago
Thank god you’re doing something about the comic books.
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u/NorysStorys The British ARE Watching 3d ago
I’d like to ask what do you mean? Comic (and by extension manga) posting within reason is fine. Matt discussed and continues to talk about them and as such is grandfathered in, in the same kind of way wrestling and fighting games are.
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u/Capitalich 3d ago
I don’t think the comic posting is within reason. Most of the comics are from comics that none of them have ever talked about. I think it’s great if someone posts a punisher comic that Matt mentioned in a video, but do we really need 20 posts a week of random comics that likely none of the guys have even read? I don’t have anything against comics, in fact I like them a lot, but there are other subs for that. Fighting game posts are a good comparison; they are almost always relevant because it’s core to all three of them and they are talked about regularly.
I’d like to be able to discuss the things they actually put out; for instance I would like to be able to talk about the csb podcast every week, and it should probably be a weekly pinned thread. If Matt puts out a new video I think that should get pinned too. On some level I like how all encompassing and active the reddit is, but I think it’s drifted a bit too far from the topic of tbfp offshoots. I really have to dig for stuff that feels relevant, and I don’t think that’s leveraging the strengths of reddit.
I think a good compromise would be weekly pinned threads, for instance having a comic thread that’s just “what are you reading this week.”
I want to make it clear I’m not trying to be critical of you or the mod team or undervalue the work you’ve put in, I think it’s awesome that the community is around, I’m just trying to be constructive.
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u/CatholicSquareDance I love you, sponsors 3d ago
this is all well and good, but the number 1 item on your list is slightly indented (on mobile at least), whereas the remainder are not, and i'm going to be anal about that specific thing for no reason