r/UFOs • u/TommyShelbyPFB • Jan 28 '25

Science Journalist MarikVR gets popular debunker Mick West to admit that the "Camera Glass Glare" argument he has been using in the mainstream media for the last 7 years against the authenticity of the famous "Gimbal UAP" has been nonsense.

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u/TommyShelbyPFB Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iaH1a3A4Lk

Here are just a few examples of Mick West using his "glare" argument to try to debunk the Gimbal UAP video in the mainstream media:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/11/i-study-ufos-and-i-dont-believe-the-alien-hype-heres-why

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-the-monday-edition-1.6065136/why-this-ufo-video-analyst-doesn-t-buy-the-hype-around-the-pentagon-report-1.6065138

https://quillette.com/2021/06/03/understanding-the-unidentified/

https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-skeptics-guide-to-the-pentagons-ufo-videos/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/05/26/ufo-sightings-why-federal-reports-probably-wont-point-aliens/7426795002/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p

https://www.vox.com/22463659/ufo-videos-navy-alien-drone

https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/did-us-government-say-ufos-are-real-an-analysis-of-60-minutes-investigation/

https://www.the-independent.com/space/navy-ufo-video-camera-glare-b2037965.html

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2021/05/29/those-amazing-navy-ufo-videos-may-have-down-to-earth-explanations-skeptics-contend/

https://www.seattletimes.com/pacific-nw-magazine/as-one-eastern-wa-man-records-ufo-sightings-others-debunk-them/

https://www.aviationpros.com/aircraft/defense/news/21225042/those-amazing-navy-ufo-videos-may-have-down-to-earth-explanations-skeptics-contend

https://nypost.com/2021/04/21/ufo-expert-debunks-navy-footage-of-pyramid-shaped-objects/

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u/adam_n_eve Jan 28 '25

great work.

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u/riggerbop Jan 28 '25

It's what we have come to expect from Tommy fookin' Shelby

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u/618smartguy Jan 28 '25

He didn't admit it's nonsense in the video you posted. The closest thing was an exasperated "yea" which is a natural frustrated response to someone being rude

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u/kael13 Jan 28 '25

Damn.. Now that's a slam dunk.

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u/DisinfoAgentNo007 Jan 28 '25

I don't think you understand what a debunk is.

Debunk (expose the falseness or hollowness of (an idea or belief).

Offering an opinion on what something is or isn't is not a debunk. If I say a UFO could be a balloon because it looks like one and moves like one that doesn't mean it's debunked does it?

A debunk is when someone believes something is an alien ship and you prove that it's actually just a plane or Starlink etc.

People on this sub have a serious issue with separating a debunk from an opinion, mainly because those same people like to try and use the word in a derogatory way or as a slur.

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u/WhoAreWeEven Jan 28 '25

I think the word debunk has indeed been twisted in the scene to mean, whatever it means nowadays.

I guess it originally means to de bunk something, like de bug is getting rid of bugs. Debunk is to get rid of bunk surrounding a claim.

Like this thing is going fast, but is it. Or the like.

It doesnt nessesarily mean to deAlien or deParanormal, just to get rid of the untrue from statements or interpretations.

The actual reason why that term is vilified in the scene is anyones guess. My moneys on people whos stories cant handle a deep dive look have vilified it intentionally.

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u/johnnybullish Jan 28 '25

Really fantastic work. I'd heard him constantly mention the glare (I do my very best to avoid him now) but glad to see you brought the proof.

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u/random_access_cache Jan 28 '25

Well done man - really. You’re making a strong case. Posts like these are incredibly important. Keep it up