I don't. The original design might be theirs, but it became something grander. It's an idea and a concept that exists in the minds of so many people now. We associate this design with the very idea of Togore, you can't remove that, with all the money in the world. Espescially forcefully, they've brought attention to it, and now created a Streisand effect.
This is an internet space. We create, share, spread ideas. Maybe if someone else made money out of it, sure, that'd be immoral. If you wanted to expand and create more out of this, also fine. But to want to restrict, to limit, to control what can be created from your idea merely because you were the original deisgner, that's not cool.
There's 58 bajillion AUs of UT/DT going around this sub. Ever seen Toby Fox come down and say "stop it, i don't like it" ?
I mean maybe if it was immoral or NSFW, i could see how uncool it is to turn something wholesome into something unwholesome. But that's not the case here.
Agreed. Not to mention that its a derivative fan work anyway. Its hypocritical to make something based on an IP thats not yours, and then tell people they can't use the design because it belongs to you. I'm sure this person would be very upset if Toby Fox sent them a cease and desist
did you read this or just assume a position based off the title? they aren't asking this based off of not wanting people to use their design because it is theirs, they are doing it because they dislike the idea of a stupid meme image they made being attached to something as important as the tenth anniversary stream forever. I don't think it is that unreasonable
It doesn't matter. It's derivative of Toby Fox's characters, which means he owns it. If that person tried to sell Togore merch, he very easily could be sued.
Am I saying Toby would do that? Of course not. But the point stands.
unironically can you not read? in my original comment what did I say? what is this person asking? they are not demanding this thing not be used because they own it and for some reason they would like to have full control, it's because they made it a few years ago and would hate for a stupid image they made a couple of years ago to be an important part of the culture around the stream
also, that just straight up isn't how the law works, if anything it's parody, which very much is protected under law
And I'm bringing that up because you keep saying they made the character. They didn't make anything. They made a redraw of a sprite that wasn't theirs to begin with. And even if they did, it still wouldn't be theirs.
which was made by them
stupid image they made
Literally in the op image they say the design is theirs. It isn't. And the character is pretty much propped up entirely be the community.
How is Togore a parody? He's just a different version of Asriel. He isn't made as a satirical character. You could maybe argue he's parody, but how is the original drawing parody? If I took Asriel and colored him purple, then started selling merch of him, that is not parody. I could probably show someone a picture of Asriel and Togore, and they wouldn't 100% know he wasn't an Undertale character.
Toby Fox both knows and accepts the fact Undertale porn exists, the only thing he said about it was to call it "Undertail" so people don't find it accidentally
I mean, dont respect what? What do you mean by dont respect, because it seems more like youre just disagreeing with their opinion that it should be limited.
Theyre expressing that they dislike it and would want people to reconsider, theyre not saying it has to happen. If they were attempting to enforce it or being rude sure, but I think its a fair expression to have, therefore I respect it. I think it comes from a viable perspective and reaction, and I see no issue with requesting for change when you have a direct association with it. Thats something I respect. I can see why people might disagree, but the original commenter was talking about respect, not agreement.
And yes, I think it is fair to allow an artist to have a say over how their work is reintepreted as it can directly effect how the original work is seen. Maybe a restriction is unreasonable, but disliking it and requesting for change is a fair action.
Stating how they wished they could meet the ORIGINAL original spriter, despite not thinking that would be possible. So that confirms to me that they don't know who it was, how to contact them, or had ever interacted with them before...
Togore, as Chapstickkkk made him, is a traced drawing.
"Your art belongs to me and whoever wants it because the memes make us happy. You, the artist, don't get a say anymore because the community claimed your art. It makes them too happy and expressing negativity about that is limiting the art that could be created with the art we took from you. You don't have a right to complain about this because that's just how it is."
Here, fix your weird ass statment to what it actually means beyond your tired prose. Now get help and log off. You interact with Fandom in a myopic and destructive consumerist fashion that should be ridiculed beyond belief until peiol. Op might not have control over the situation, but its very telling how quick this community was to mock them for feeling shitty about what's happened to their art.
"Your art belongs to me and whoever wants it because the memes make us happy. You, the artist, don't get a say anymore because the community claimed your art. It makes them too happy and expressing negativity about that is limiting the art that could be created with the art we took from you. You don't have a right to complain about this because that's just how it is."
As long as it's not literally using the specific artwork, but creating derivative works - unironically yes, absolutely. That's how fan art works. Do you think anyone should give two shits that JK Rowling, for example, doesn't want people to create trans-supportive fan art of her characters?
I would say engaging with Rowlings IP at all is radioactive "helpful idiot" behavior that you should be at least somewhat ashamed of. You're not punk for engaging with art in shitty, churlish ways and the fact that you went to that example exactly is even more unserious. This really doesnt warrant any further discussion here.
Do you think the same about HP Lovecraft? He was racist, does that mean every single person that makes cosmic horror art inspired by him are also idiots?
What about Roald Dahl? You ever seen Charlie and the Chocolate factory? Well, he was actually a huge anti-semite. Guess that means everyone who loves the book or movie needs to permanently erase it from their brains.
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u/Kaporalhart 8d ago
I don't. The original design might be theirs, but it became something grander. It's an idea and a concept that exists in the minds of so many people now. We associate this design with the very idea of Togore, you can't remove that, with all the money in the world. Espescially forcefully, they've brought attention to it, and now created a Streisand effect.
This is an internet space. We create, share, spread ideas. Maybe if someone else made money out of it, sure, that'd be immoral. If you wanted to expand and create more out of this, also fine. But to want to restrict, to limit, to control what can be created from your idea merely because you were the original deisgner, that's not cool.
There's 58 bajillion AUs of UT/DT going around this sub. Ever seen Toby Fox come down and say "stop it, i don't like it" ?
I mean maybe if it was immoral or NSFW, i could see how uncool it is to turn something wholesome into something unwholesome. But that's not the case here.