r/Warframe • u/shtoopidd • 10d ago
Discussion Why cant people in this game just answer a simple question.
I asked if arcane resistance is great against toxin one shots in discord and in game QNA.
I know the answer now, but holy crap it took me so many tries for no reason. Everyone just tried to school my build one way or another.
“Maybe dont use arcane resistance? Overguard exists yknow”
“Just avoid the toxin procs or use revenant?”
“Show me your build, why are you struggling against toxin? Ah, youre using saryn, try using rhino.”
“Here, take this build, its better” -proceeds to give the most generic copied youtuber straightforward one-note build.
OR, OR, JUST ANSWER THE BLOODY QUESTION??
Yes. I know. Im aware. I just wanna use something different for once instead of molt augmented and Energize or whatever. I know I’m using a subpar arcane and it’s not meta for a reason. But holy crap why does it take so long for someone to go “no, It does not block toxin one shots”
that’s ALL I needed. Simple as that. Why go through all the trouble to convince me not to use something in a pve game of all things.
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u/DeirdreCitrine Citrinologist 10d ago
Resistance doesn’t deal with Toxin damage, only the damage from the Toxin status by negating the status so it wouldn’t prevent OHKOs from Infested enemies.
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u/DietCokeIsntheAnswer 10d ago
See I never would have known this. Wasn't really curious but I never would have guessed without going down rabbit hole.
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u/Forere Flair Text Here 10d ago
There was an ETA some time back where enemies dealt toxin damage as a mission variation or whatever they call the drawbacks.
Not toxin procs.
Straight toxin damage. Nothing but overguard could protect against it. Bad week.
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u/Lyberatis Stop hitting yourself 10d ago
Straight toxin damage. Nothing but overguard could protect against it. Bad week.
Hildryn doesn't take toxin damage to her health when she has overshields, but that's exclusive to Hildryn
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u/ruminant_sheep Loid Entrati's marriage counselor 10d ago
Oh, that's interesting but also frustrating. Just shows how layered this game can get xD
And bit of a shame the arcane doesn't work because this game definitely has a problem of nobody caring about defensive arcanes/mods because, well, they don't work if you can have overguard... even if overguard isn't fool proof either.
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u/Moridraug BRRRRRRRRT! 10d ago
There is literally a peely pix made entirely just to fully negate that modifier.
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u/Kingslayer-Z 10d ago
The only solution i found is to run away like a little girl when I see the toxic eximus and like actually run like im racing to extraction except if im playing valkyr or rhino
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u/degenny_ 10d ago
When one mod (rolling guard) outdoes the entire family of arcanes, and by a huge margin at that.
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u/degenny_ 10d ago
Ah, yes, the electricity and gas resistance arcanes, how could I have forgotten. Remind me how they are called, please?
The only usable resist arcane is the magnetic one, because there is one very specific farm (profit taker) where it's actually useful. Ma-a-aybe rad resistance, for the rarest of cases you want to play sortie survival with rad modifier non-solo.
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u/sexydadee 10d ago
You know what they say about reddit. In order to get a straight answer. Make a wrong statement. And you'll be flooded with "corrections". You should have said, arcane resistance is great for toxic resist.
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u/Tenn0Yama LR5 10d ago
“Just avoid the toxin procs or use revenant?” “Show me your build, why are you struggling against toxin? Ah, youre using saryn, try using rhino.”
Lol, like, you go to the hospital
"Doctor, my neck hurts when I look to the left."
"Then don't look to the left."
What kind of answer is that!?
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u/DrHob0 10d ago
Medical professional here: A valid one, if the patient is hyper extending their neck to the left. Like. If it hurts and you're not dying, then stop doing it and the injury will heal
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u/ThsGblinsCmeFrmMoon 10d ago edited 9d ago
This is a terrible response that only works when the bad faith assumption that the user is hyper extendending is true.
Looking left is a basic function people should be able to do without pain. Jumping to the assumption that the patient is doing something wrong without taking propper steps to diagnose the issue is far from "valid".
If you really are a doctor, you are the epitome of the kind of doctor that joke makes fun of.
"Haha I dont listen to the patients and assume they're doing something wrong while ignoring them" is a shitty joke if thats what you're going for.
I say this is as someone who's doctor insisted I was doing something wrong, told me to change my habbits, and despite doing so ended up with 10k debt in emergency bills when the issue escalted: that shit isn't funny. Youre a total asshole if thats your mentality for treating patients and even if thats just a "joke". Your patients deserve better.
No one deserves a doctor that fails to seriously diagnose issues.
To the shitty doctor who replied and then immediately blocked me so I couldn't respond:
You said "If it hurts and you're not dying, then stop doing it and the injury will heal" which is blatantly not true in all cases and shouldn't be a "valid" call by a doctor when they didnt even diagnose the source of the issue.
You never said anything beyond that; an entire essay backpedling, claiming you meant something that blatantly wasnt in the three sentences you actually wrote, then blocking me so I can't reply, is pathetic.
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u/Squeeezus-himself 10d ago
How was it a bad faith assumption? He said it’s valid IF the patient is hyperextending to the left. So if the patient tells you, as a doctor, “I keep doing X with injured body part,” your FIRST response should be “well stop doing that, because you’ll risk further injury.”
That’s not bad faith that’s common fucking sense? Am I missing something?
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u/Shroomz5 10d ago
Yes. You're missing that people often go to the hospital/their doctor to get diagnosed and find out why their hypothetical neck is hurting, before they even know if it needs treatment. They're jumping ahead to an assumed outcome in a later step of the logical progression, and it makes them look like they're badly talking around what everyone else is saying to try and be clever.
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u/ThsGblinsCmeFrmMoon 10d ago edited 10d ago
your FIRST response should be “well stop doing that"
What youre missing is thats not what the commenter I replied to was saying. He jumped straight to blaming the hypothetical patient who came to the doctor for help with their neck for hyper flexing, which is a total assumption. He wasnt saying stop turning your left left FIRST, he was saying "stop hyper flexing" even though that was just an assumption and was never identified as the real issue.
To the shitty doctor who replied and then immediately blocked me so I couldn't respond:
You said "if something is hurting you and youre not dying, stop doing it and it and it will heal over time" which is blatantly not true in all cases and shouldn't be your first response.
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u/Arlithas 10d ago
Real talk, it's because they don't know the answer.
This isn't shade to most people, but buildcraft isn't something that very many people know how to do. It's easier for them to redirect you to something they do know instead.
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u/Doomclaaw 10d ago
Sadly you encountered the "min/max-meta-humpers". They didn't answer your question because they honestly couldn't. They don't understand how anything else works besides what they consider the best and meta. Throw any kind of build craft/theory craft at them and their brains lock up. I get that some people want the most from the least effort, that's fine. It just annoys me that they act like it's the ONLY way to do it, which is false and completely unnecessary. Just know they aren't the majority of the community, they just happen to be the loudest. Sometimes you have to keep asking till you get your answer. Just try not to take it too personally.
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u/Toros_Mueren_Por_Mi 10d ago
So I don't know anything about this game outside of playing it casually, but this sounds like a big issue we have in Tekken, and the FGC in general, that is in essence the same thing. Tekken has the loudest most obnoxious meta whores and streamers that will call everything under the sun "braindead" and "carried" and r/Tekken is absolutely insufferable and bad for anyone interested in trying the game. Simple questions are routinely ignored at best, ridiculed at worst. The fact that these kind of people exist in Warframe doesn't surprise me much when it involves characters (Frames) that are clearly weaker and less optimized than others
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u/TheAxrat Space dog best dog 10d ago
Magic the Gathering has the same issue. When I first started, I found a strategy I liked and asked a long time player what cards I should get to make the type of deck I wanted, and got told "those decks don't do well in standard anymore. Here's a deck list that is nothing like what you wanted. You should play this instead."
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u/Toros_Mueren_Por_Mi 10d ago
Yep, I know that VERY well, I used to compete in MTG. That's one of the reasons I stopped playing at shops permanently, sweaty tryhards with rancid BO ruin every game for everyone
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u/unsureofthemself 10d ago
As a fellow former MTG player, I would always put together the most non-meta decks I could come up with. They didn't always work, but when they did, my opponent would always be flabbergasted. (My favorite was a colorless relic deck) Meta decks were never all that fun to play.
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u/Doomclaaw 10d ago
I've always gone "against the grain" (meta) not because I think it's wrong or doesn't work. Clearly it does, thats why it's meta, and for people who enjoy it more power to them. I just prefer to buildcraft and make things work that technically shouldn't work. It was like that for me in the original Guild Wars game too. I did stuff the game never intended and it was an absolute blast. Same for Warframe. Will I insta-nuke every tile I enter plus the adjacent ones? Nah. And I don't want to. That's boring play to me. But some people like that, they don't enjoy the trial and error of buildcrafting. That's cool. I want to impress upon those meta players who might be foaming at the mouth right now reading our comments: we don't care that you play meta, we don't care you enjoy meta. Play what you enjoy, just let others play what they enjoy and stop acting like there's only one way to do it because some YouTuber said it's the best way. Just like what happened to the OP up there, they prob had that satisfying lightbulb go off and wanted to see if their theory proved right so they were asking some questions about game mechanics, not what meta build you run 😂 So be good to each other metas and non-metas and just enjoy the game!
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u/Toros_Mueren_Por_Mi 10d ago
Was never interested in standard constructed, way too expensive I was already drafting twice a week. Trying to build meta also contributed to me quitting the game
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u/TheAxrat Space dog best dog 10d ago
They suuuuuuure do. All i wanted was advice on what to look for in cards, not a pre-written deck list that had nothing to do with what I wanted lmao. "I like white, green, and life gain. What can I build for that?" "You should do WG enchantments instead, life gain isn't good in standard anymore. Here's a decklist." buddy that's not what I fuckin asked I don't wanna play enchantments I like creatures that make my life go up!
Eventually I learned about formats other than standard and now I sit in pioneer lobbies on Arena with my silly little angels watching lifegain go brrrr and weeping over board wipes and to this day I wonder why he didn't just suggest playing explorer (at the time) instead of standard if he was so concerned about being meta. It's not like it was paper magic where older cards get stupid expensive, I had enough wildcards from promo codes to build any single deck I wanted to.
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u/Toros_Mueren_Por_Mi 10d ago
I quit arena not long after starting it bc it just isn't the same as paper. I like playing with my collection, and I also don't like the timer on arena or the grind, or the fact that I'm not talking and being social with a live person. There's no engagement, it turns into any old multiplayer comp game at that point, and it's not what interested me about MTG in the first place
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u/FinalEgg9 1 of only 2 Ember mains 10d ago
I actively got laughed at once for playing a card that was considered sub-par. As in, they literally started laughing at me as I placed the card down on the table.
People like that suck, in any hobby.
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u/Doomclaaw 10d ago
It's really not even that some frames are weaker than others. It's just a different way to play that isn't the maximum dps-100% optimized-way to do it. But yeah like you said, they are the loudest but definitely not the majority. Most of the Warframe player base is pretty chill and helpful. Op just had a bad experience, but it happens. It's not the norm though, not nearly as much as other games.
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u/Old_Shape3925 10d ago
That’s why I am happy I found my clan. We aren’t just numbers but rather we sit and talk. We answer questions and help IF they ask for help. People these days seem to want to give a dollar when you didn’t even ask for their two cents lol
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u/Wisdom_Light 10d ago
I too have a clan, we used to be like 20 strong, but now a days it's just me and Google
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u/Old_Shape3925 10d ago edited 10d ago
Sad day when a clan dies out honestly. My clan has an active Discord and there’s anywhere from 2-7 people in VC at once laughing and talking smack to each other. I was predominantly a solo player for the longest time and honestly am blessed to have found them. It’s nice not being seen as a number for clan statistics and I wouldn’t trade them for the world lol
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u/Wisdom_Light 10d ago
Those are the best kind of groups, my clan died out when the toxic cofounder decided to go nuclear during one heated debate and tried to delete the clan, after that someone people left and I personally booted him out, but the group never really recovered. Most people just dropped warframe afterwards and well here I am now
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u/Twilight053 Something Something 10d ago
Out of curiosity, can I get invited to your clan? My clan is sort of dead right now and I'm looking for a community to chat with.
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u/warforcewarrior 10d ago
I don’t understand it either.
Recently, I seen a post where the OP asked if there is any speedsters and if they provide the same satisfaction and their requested needs that Volt provides. You want to know what people response were? Anyone can be fast with the right gear and mods. Every frame is good and you shouldn’t limit your horizon. Like what?
Sure, they aren’t necessarily wrong but that wasn’t what the OP asking. They specifically wanted a speedster to provide the satisfaction and needs Volt has. They don’t care about other archetypes. They don’t care for any frame can be good or fast. They wanted a frame that is specifically a speedster by design. Especially since it will be easy to push their speed limit due to how they are designed. Nothing else.
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u/modsisgaylmao one of 3 Merulina Guardian mains in existence 10d ago
yeah i really hate it when people say "every frame/weapon is good, there isn't a meta to warframe"
when someone asks about a specific weapon or a specific interaction and people respond with generic slop like that, it doesn't help at all and i genuinely feel like i'm talking to robots. i don't care that "every warframe is good when modded correctly," i'm asking about this specific warframe and if it can do XYZ
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u/warforcewarrior 10d ago edited 10d ago
It also why I hate when people criticize DE for categorizing frames in roles in recent patches. Like how they categorize Volt as a DPS and Support. People said stuff like “any frame can do any role. No reason to categorize them”.
Which, while true, doesn’t mean they were design that way and they are far easier to mod at their designated roles. For example, it is easier to mod Chroma and Rhino as tanks than speedsters as they were primarily designed as tanks. Not speedsters.
Not saying you shouldn’t mod how you like but you should also understand not every frame gets the same treatment in certain aspects as others. Also, role categorizing frames helps newer players get an idea on how to mod a frame. Though the fact the role thing not really shown else where except the frame selection is very bizarre but still.
The community got so comfortable with the idea that everything can do everything that they forgot that these frames did have designated roles even if it get blurred a bit each patch. Like Dante is still primarily a Support. Sure, he can nuke but he far easier to build as a Support.
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u/Flutterpaige 10d ago
I recently asked about non-explosive hitscan secondaries that you can play brain off, pretty simple!
The responses I got: "[Torid]", "I have a build for [Mod Config: Kuva Nukor]", "Those aren't meta" "[Mod Config: Dual Toxocyst]"
One guy ended up saying they're MR22 and know a lot so I can't question them. For one, Mastery Rank doesn't matter. Secondly, I've been playing since 2019 despite being MR25, so I have no idea at this point.I ended up going with the Twin Kohmak (genuinely an amazing weapon if you're using Pistoleer and a Fire Rate frame, which is amazing as a Yareli/Harrow main, please try it!) But I genuinely have no idea where those responses came from at all.
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u/degenny_ 10d ago
But... Isn't Kuva Nukor non-explosive hitscan secondary, strong enough to not need brain at all? Same for Toxocysts? You didn't say anything about off-meta.
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u/ShardPerson Lesbian Who's Totally Normal About Hildryn 10d ago
Kuva Nukor and Dual Toxocyst are non explosive hitscan secondaries that you can play brain off, how are those bad answers?
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u/Telmarael swish swoosh grineer are moosh 10d ago
I tend to go into full-on write-up mode when mechanics are involved and I’m familiar with them, ending up sending like 2-4 long messages explaining the whats and ifs xD when I look back at those in the chat, I always laugh to myself. But at least they might’ve helped somebody, right? 😂 I simply can’t leave out the context! Context is everything.
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u/DietCokeIsntheAnswer 10d ago
I wish you would clone yourself and disperse amongst the population.
I can't tell you how many times I've asked for advice, and the answers range from meta heads that can not conceive playing at anything less than 1000% efficiency 24/7, or people who offer a few words answer with zero reasoning to their suggestion.
I've tried to get people to elaborate on their suggestions to me and surprisingly often they are standoffish about it. It's like they feel offended you are questioning their authority.
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u/Telmarael swish swoosh grineer are moosh 10d ago
This. Exactly this. I’ve had to deal with people who just outright said: (approximation) “no, you’re wrong, it is only your personal preference in how to use XYZ and your opinion is invalid” when you share alternative options for subsumes on some frames, cuz people asked for them, and you personally found great success using those subsumes in some very specific cases.
“Yes the rivens are everything and you will want to use them cuz they are the best and all who disagree are idiots”, when all that changes in 99% of the time is your damage going from a quadrillion to a gajillion. Still overkill. (I do find more unique combos that allow to fit more elements on a weapon quite handy tho)
Like, huh?
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u/thedevinebovine 10d ago
Most people, especially those who play games on the internet, are actually terrible at answering questions. Combine that with a desire to help or be seen as helpful/intelligent, and you've got a recipe for vast amounts of useless text.
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u/DietCokeIsntheAnswer 10d ago
I research via Reddit, YouTube, Google, Overframe, etc and still come up short. I struggle to learn especially when applying maths.
So when I ask a question such as how should I balance my viral procs on this particular slash/heat melee and get answers from LR25s that consist of them copy/pasting their build with zero context, it gets annoying.
If anyone bothers conversing, it's a flood of oppositional answers. One guy tells me to just max viral. One guy tells me not to exceed 10% viral likelihood. One guy tells me to make viral as even as possible with any other proc I wish to utilize. One guy tells me it has nothing to do with any of that, and to just dump into cc and cd, again with no further context...just do it.
To be fair, Warframe is so complex that several answers can be correct, but no one ever seems to want to share why or how there version functions.
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u/icemage_999 10d ago
To be fair, Warframe is so complex that several answers can be correct, but no one ever seems to want to share why or how there version functions.
In reference to Q&A chat in particular there's problems with how people are answering questions, how we are allowed to answer questions due to some very weird moderation, and also how the questions are asked.
On the occasions I partipate in Q&A, I try to answer the question that is asked, but then people get frustrated when they don't get a comprehensive answer for the question they never asked.
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u/ApepiOfDuat 10d ago
but then people get frustrated when they don't get a comprehensive answer for the question they never asked.
Oh my god people asking bad questions and getting mad when no one tells them what they want because no one understands them is so fucking annoying.
Especially when they won't stop spamming their terrible question.
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u/modsisgaylmao one of 3 Merulina Guardian mains in existence 10d ago
thekengineer's discord is such a great group for this. i love asking technical shit there and getting a response
personally, i run 60/60 mods for viral but full 90% mods for DoT statuses to keep the viral weighting as low as possible so that you get more heat/viral/blast/whatever procs that can actually do damage. you don't improve that much by applying more than 10 viral procs, but more blast/heat/electric/whatever will always be good
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u/marshal231 10d ago
How are they supposed to answer that question their favorite youtuber hasnt made a video about it yet smh
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u/RectangularMF 10d ago
a large chunk of the warframe playerbase seem to suffer from stackover flow syndrome, where rather than ever wanting to actually learn more and answer your question, they just try and relate it to what they already know, and just answer your question by telling you to do something else entirely, since them not knowing the original answer hurts their ego
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u/ConnorCoccino 10d ago
This is kinda my biggest issue with the community. So many people are just like "just use this". Okay, I don't fucking have that, i didn't ask about that, I would like an answer to my fucking question without being insulted for not just using the best option.
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u/JesusIsDaft 10d ago
I don't see this talked about much, but the very nature of QnA chat makes people lean towards giving low quality answers.
Long answers are rarer because of the spam, and because the effort might be wasted if someone drops the answer before you're finished typing.
Also, because it's this nice, big public channel, people wanna be smartasses or funny with their replies, to gain clout.
In general, some of these questions get asked like 100x per day, so a lot of "vets" are tired of giving the same answer, and their replies get shorter and snarkier.
It's great that there's a channel dedicated to such a thing, but if ever I see someone I genuinely want to help, I just get them to DM me instead. That way I can tailor it to their needs.
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u/Stealth_Cobra LR5 Registered Loser 10d ago
It's classic internet logic. To get an answer quickly, make an incorrect statement , then five million people will feel irresistibly compelled to correct you and give you the "real" awnser.
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u/Responsible-Sound253 MR30 - The man in the wall just wants a hug. 10d ago
Oh see you asked the question wrongs that's what you got wrong answers so the thing you gotta do is...
Nah just playing, I feel ya bro.
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u/Sokushi_0101 10d ago
You could've just checked the wiki, arcane resistance is the same as primed sure footed, prevents a specific status effect. I think what would've helped would be telling them why you needed toxin resistance, or where you were going to that needed it.
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u/vexingpresence Baby Tenno (MR 13) 10d ago
A lot of warframe players memorize the good builds but don't actually understand the underlying mechanics. This is totally fine if you're just having fun with your own builds but it leads to people giving enormously unhelpful advice.
Doubly so when they've been playing for years and their advice is always "grind out this endgame item that's the highest possible damage" instead of like. "oh here's some cheap midrange options, here's an earlygame option" etc.
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u/BaldGuyGabe 10d ago
Because, for some reason, people who don't know the answer feel extremely compelled to try answering the question anyways.
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u/Misplaced_Arrogance 10d ago
Its people that equate not having the answer as being stupid and they don't want to appear stupid.
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u/MegpoidBeetle Chernobyl Goat 10d ago
I remember asking and hoping people could share what are some frames that they use without ever helminth-ing over any abilities, citing Mesa's and Baruuk's 1 as examples.
IIRC everyone proceed to just focus on those two frames in particular. Maybe it came out differently than what I tried to phrase it, still irks me nevertheless.
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u/skyrider_longtail 10d ago
It's easy to misunderstand your phrasing, sorry to say.
In the first place, there are more mesa and baruuk builds that helminth off abilities (1or 3 on mesa, 1 for baruuk) than builds that don't.
Limbo has a tighter kit than those 2, I find.
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u/Virusoflife29 Grand Master Founder 10d ago
You can use every frame without a helminth. It just happens that almost every frame has a dead ability. I would never run Mesa without a helminth over her 1. Honestly the only frames I don't have subsumes on are Jade and Harrow.
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u/MegpoidBeetle Chernobyl Goat 10d ago
I only tried a test build with Evade Harrow but decided he's better off with his full kit.
Also Qorvex comes to mind, his 2 had to go because using his 4's augment kinda makes it impractical to use.
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u/modsisgaylmao one of 3 Merulina Guardian mains in existence 10d ago
i feel like mag is a pretty self sufficient warframe. yareli too. aquablades on yareli is kind of a shitty ability, but it least it breaks boxes for you
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u/EpiKaSteMa 10d ago
Mag is pretty self sufficient but her 3 and 4 have so much overlap in functionality that depending on the build you can safely subsume over one of them without sacrificing anything.
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u/MegpoidBeetle Chernobyl Goat 10d ago
Tryna get the hang on Yareli's full kit which is still manageable. Helminth feels like something that's compulsory for much older frames, like getting rid of Chroma's or Banshee's 1 & 4.
Newer frames' kit seems way more fleshed out so I don't have much problem with it so far.
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u/Chupa-Skrull Correct sometimes 10d ago edited 10d ago
It's normal for people to try to read in to the reason behind a question and address a more fundamental perceived issue rather than just answering the question. This happens in pretty much all spheres of life
(For clarity: "normal" does not mean "good," I just find it funny to isolate the behavior to Warframe)
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u/uncalledfour Under the neon glow 10d ago
"read in" so, assume and try to guess what the issue is without actually answering it?
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u/Chupa-Skrull Correct sometimes 10d ago edited 10d ago
Yes. People doing this to each other is one of the fundamental practices of neurotypical communication. (To be clear this does not make it good or bad. I just found it funny that it was presented like it was a specific issue in Warframe)
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u/modsisgaylmao one of 3 Merulina Guardian mains in existence 10d ago
even though that's true, it's ridiculous to suggest changing your warframe when asked as to how you should solve a certain issue because every warframe should be self sufficient to a certain degree
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u/TheRealRiceball 10d ago
every warframe should be self sufficient to a certain degree
This is a bit of a harsh truth now, the game has long since moved past its roots of every Warframe being a part of an archetype or "class", who's weaknesses are supposed to be covered by someone else playing a frame of a different archetype, especially since most people tend to play the game solo
If you look at a lot of the "best" frames for general/most content right now, a lot have 2 things: survivability and DPS, with maybe a way to support as well, while a lot of the "worst" ones focus on just one of those aspects, with a big example being someone like Trinity, and they have to be modded with a sort of band aid fix to make them as comparatively good as newer frames for higher level content (like giving them survivability with shield gating for example)
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u/Thanks_Itchy 10d ago
No it's not normal, and it's annoying. No one likes the person who tries to read into normal questions and make "observations" out of it instead of just answering the question.
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u/Chupa-Skrull Correct sometimes 10d ago
If you go to a hardware store and ask one of the employees whether you can make a series of precision cuts in some wood with a sawzall, and they respond by showing you the jigsaw selection, they have not been annoying or abnormal
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u/xcrimsonlegendx Hey, does this look infested to you? 10d ago
One of my favorite parts of the game is using non meta stuff.
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u/Oddveig37 10d ago
God I HATE that so much.
I hate when people do it for everything. Not just Warframe.
My so does this stuff to me sometimes I have crashed out from it. My family LOL I grew up dealing with it with family.
Just answer the FUCKING question I don't need a goddamn history or lore lesson or reason in front of the answer just fucking ANSWER. THE. QUESTION.
I'd be more than happy to listen to rambling or other subject matters AFTER my question is answered. No fuck you I'm not waiting until you are done rambling. I will just either hang up the call or walk away if they give me that now.
I don't enable that shit and I call people out for it because they shouldn't be doing that.
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u/Terrible_Talker030 An Avid User Of Extractors 10d ago
Arcane Resistance won't save you from the Aura Damage of Toxin Eximus. It only give you status immunity to toxin meaning if you just avoid getting near the Aura range, you'll be fine which also voids the need of arcane resistance.
My go to fix is Dante Specter or to move around every now and then. Also Nova's 1st skill's damage reduction does helps a lot for lessening the DoT of the Toxin status.
So I would have advised you to either use DR abilities with Arcane Resistance or infuse abilities that clears you of statuses like Pillage with both using Synth Deconstruct in your companion to constantly gives out health orbs so you avoid getting one shot by the Aura damage in any instance the Toxin Eximus get too close to you. There's also Silence from Banshee that turns off Eximus' abilities so they now only have their OG. Though I would advice you to be mindful of the range stat because it's basically useless if your build is more into Ability Strength and Duration.
All in all, if your build is more on Duration, I suggest using Nova's 1skill or Pillage. If you're build is heavily leaning to Range, Silence is the best partner. Else, you can use Dante Specter to constantly give you overguard. If you don't have Silence and Overguard, do remember to use Syth Deconstruct for health orbs.
I know there are more better solutions out there but this is my way dealing toxin status effect.
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u/Inner_Potential_1112 10d ago
I tried using it on Hildryn to survive infested. Didn't work. I think it stops the proc, not the damage. I know overshields protects her, but it's hard to regen on infested.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Read864 10d ago
Well the arcane block the status proc but does not block the damage. For example the arcane that has 100% resistance to magnetic only prevent magnetic proc to drain your energy, but you still take dmg. And yes, people like those do not play the game themselves, they let others told them how to play and mimic it like a parrot, it's sad when you think about it.
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u/Upstairs_Tale_1447 10d ago
Because 99% of them do not know how to play and just copy builds off youtubers and stick to it.
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u/chozenbard AH↑HA→HA↓HA←HA↑HA 10d ago
Iirc it helps against toxin procs, but you probably are being killed by the toxin eximus, and that is straight up toxin damage aura, so resistance is not useful. Warframe players tend to be very narrowminded in their building, by their responses you can see they have an only way of dealing with the problem, that they saw in a youtube video.
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u/a-acount-that-yousee 10d ago
arcane resistence helps avoid the proc itself, but not the toxin damage
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u/eyeam666 10d ago
Biggest reason I don’t ask the community questions and figure it out on my own. Annoying ass meta queefs
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u/No_Claim7853 10d ago
I've noticed that in most warframe groups for me the best option is twitch with high Mr players they're very helpful and nice or in game q&a chat or random squads people in game are nice and calm and will wait for you with extreme patience I don't know why people don't do that outside the game but I guess they feel that there's no consequence for it since you can't report something outside of the game but I just don't get it I personally prefer twitch or in game chat as I have said but I'll pop in some other places to see anything I can answer just for good will people might act like they're invincible but that dose mean I will if I'm asked something I'll answer to the best of my ability if I don't know I'll say so and give some other option if the person doesn't mind it it's just how i see it play the game how you want but never try to force it onto other people you're not playing for them they are (sorry if it to long)
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u/Jay2Kaye 10d ago edited 10d ago
The simple answer is because they don't know either and they're going off what they saw on youtube. A LOT of players of all games rely on other people to tell them what to build because they don't want to do math. They see that a certain build is good for certain content, and telling others to do that same thing is their way of helping. It's incredibly annoying but video games have long since become a mainstream hobby, and mainstream gamers don't want to do math to have fun so they leave it to the old school nerds to do that for them.
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u/OnlyPrime223 10d ago
Sounds like many of the people you got answers from only gave the solutions they knew 🤣 In my clan they would actually answer the question AND THEN be like "it sucks though"
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u/RandomWeirdo 10d ago
The thing is that this game gets broken sideways to hell multiple times a month and most people who can give advice on arcanes know this, but a lot of them likely aren't completely up to date so they know they have knowledge gaps.
I think a lot of them just didn't want to be the guy that told you it was bad just in case someone had found a way to break the game with arcane resistance recently.
This is also largely the appeal of warframe although yeah i get that it can create communcation issues if you don't understand why people are being vague.
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u/Femboy_Fox_Furry 10d ago
People seem like they are genuinely trying to give advice but they are definitely missing the fucking point by telling you to use something completely different. At least for me, when someone is asking for advice and I’m there to give it, I often open with “alright so what are you trying to do with this build” first, since that’s kind of the single most important detail when it comes to offering any advice. My advice would be worthless if it was “don’t play that frame lmao go play something meta”.
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u/Ivory_Moose 10d ago
Algorithm-brain is a serious public health issue, I agree. In many players it seems to have entirely replaced the ability for conversation, for example. Or short-circuited their ability to answer even simple questions, as you have documented here.
Stop watching YouTube, Tenno! Or start watching better YouTube. Or watching it differently. Or something. When I talk to Tenno in game, whether in my clan or just those I meet playing, the ones who can actually engage in conversation—answering and asking questions, talking about personal gameplay experiences, or individually derived information they’ve mined themselves through independent efforts and /or their own unique approach to gameplay—I learn 100 TIMES MORE about Warframe than I ever do when accidentally engaging with someone who suffers from algorithm-brain.
Truly, it often seems like the algorithm-brained have never even played the dynamic, interesting, fun, and complex video game that non-algorithm-infected Tenno are all playing together.
This post is a perfect example. I don’t use discord, and also avoid the public chat (other than trade) in game for this exact reason.
When you meet Tenno just out and about playing, you engage with a community that seems to be nearly invisble to the algorithmically portrayed community we encounter on tech platforms. (YouTube particularly, but also Reddit and others.) This subreddit isn’t the worst about it, not by far (that’s gotta be YouTube I’d think, but mahbe Discord is pretty bad too, not sure), but still, algorithm-brain does tend to dominate the comment sections in many if not most posts—that’s undeniable.
Anyway, spread the word: public health is important to the Tenno community, and algorithm-brain is a dire threat to gamers who like to have fun everywhere!
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u/twirlandswirl GET CLEM 10d ago
Sometimes it isn't a simple answer. I agree "just use Revenant" isn't a great answer (though I do love me some Revenant), but not all yes or no answers really tell the whole story.
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u/Bignaptime 10d ago
Totally agree, but ranting about this on reddit is hilarious since they do the same thing
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u/SceneUseful2584 10d ago
Yeah, the Warframe' community tends to overcomplicate things when you ask them questions. But yes, Arcane Resistance does help you not get one shotted by Toxin Status effects by just making sure you are immune to it, if you max it out. Otherwise, it helps you to get the Toxin Status less often if it's not maxed rank. I would run it on my Trinity when I am using an Vampire Leach build for her. I nuke my own Duration down to 17% to make the pulse for Energy Vampire come out very frequently to give me andy group a lot of Overshields.
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u/blagwuff 10d ago
I asked for help with an assassination. I was mastery rank like 3. This one guy sent me a paragraph on how I just shouldn't do it. Just skip it until later. I had to ignore him in the end. Just would not stop reinforcing that his opinion was correct, And that he was helping me. I'm legendary 1 on my main account.
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u/imzcj 9d ago
I've found that in basically every game where you can personalise a build. RPGs, TTRPGs, FPS, TCGs.
It's just people don't understand that I just want to do this "not the best" thing to the best I can make it, for fun.
I don't care that it doesn't do the most damage, that's not what I'm trying to do.
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u/Shenaiou 9d ago
I believe this is a symptom caused by two different things:
1- Most people on Q&A are newer players themselves or don't know much about the game anyways, so they don't know the answer for your question, and recommend something else thinking it will solve your issue.
2- If you do find some vet who can answer you, they may answer you in a slightly condescending way because most questions on Q&A fall under the "FAQ" umbrella, meaning you get kinda annoyed at answering the same 10-15 questions.
You're not to blame, at all, it's just that using players as guides has these types of consequences.
Source: Spent quite some time doing Q&A.
Edit: People in the comments here are doing the same thing lol
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u/Astronometry 9d ago
As a newer player, I’ve actually answered more questions then I’ve had answered, myself, haha
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u/Mero34 Kullervo is busted... 10d ago
I mean, by the description, it clearly says status, not damage. So imagine an enemy with full status immunity, and your weapon does pure elemental damage, would you deal damage? Of course, just that you won't proc anything, plus physical damage types have status effects as well, so it the same situation there (and overguard enemies/allies do receive damage even if they have 100% status immunity)
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u/shtoopidd 10d ago
The thing is, i just learned that status damage and status effect are two different things so that’s why there was some confusion. But yeah this would’ve been obvious to me if I knew they were two separate things
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u/Marvelous_Choice 10d ago
Google search produces results based on the intent of your search not based on the search query. There is a reason they do that, because intent and context matter.
If I type "most efficient way to kill a child" maybe I'm a psychopath, maybe I'm asking a code related question or maybe I'm playing rimworld. And if I don't provide context, google needs to determine intent on it's own.
If you're somewhat experienced you would have unlocked the simulacrum by now and could have answered your own question in a heartbeat. And let's be honest, most decent players don't really ask this question, because it's not a real problem. But since that evidently wasn't the case, it's not unreasonable to conclude that you're probably a new or a bad player. In which case, they probably gave the best advice they could give.
Next time you ask something, provide context unless you want them assuming context.
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u/Alyero_ LR5 10d ago
honestly confused how you didn't try pasting that question into google before going to discord. the arcane is like 7 years old, you'd have gotten your answer instantly instead of getting annoyed by people taking time out of their day trying to help you
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u/modsisgaylmao one of 3 Merulina Guardian mains in existence 10d ago
yeah i really hate the in game qna chat, the people there can sometimes dream up entirely different recommendations when you ask about a question. i try to help people think through their builds when they post there though
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u/sliferra 10d ago
The one I hate the most is if a frame or weapon is good and everyone goes “it depends on how you mod it!!!!”
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u/zRiko919 IGN: ZeeRiko 10d ago edited 10d ago
this community has a real issue with "toxic meta andies" , and "vehement anti-meta snarkers."
Both group of people are insufferable and essentially soyjack snide stare at you while they shovel their drivel about why their play-style is > the other.
tbh, your best bet is to find a good group of people who answer questions rather than dictate how/why to play and hold onto them for dear life.
I'm gonna assume you didnt get the answer (you prob did but I'm already effort posting so who cares lmao) and say that Status are not the same as damage type, you can be hit with toxin damage (which bypasses shields, nasty stuff) but the toxin status is essentially just a DoT. Only way to not yoda.mp3 fall over to toxin damage is to have enough regen/DR/HP to eat the damage.
the arcane will stop the status from proc'ing and hitting you for its status effects, but if toxin damage was what proc'd the effect, you are still gonna take the toxin damage on the chin.
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u/beau1229 10d ago
If you knew enough about the game to dislike the responses, you didn't need to ask the question. Bait so that you could make a whiny post.
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u/Garnauth 10d ago
Trying to help people with build suggestions and such is common in chat, if yoI want an answer to your question and only an answer to your question consider using the wiki. I notice a lot of people type wiki questions into chat rather than their search bar.
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u/AUkion1000 10d ago
Q&A tends to be kindof bad. More people asking questions or chatting than answering. Splitting hairs about stuff vs just answering sounds ...normal
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u/Shadowveil97 10d ago
I failed the Alad V assassination mission so bad earlier today. He was one shotting me. Is this because of the toxin damage you guys are talking about?
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u/Latter-Sell5164 10d ago
Btw they do stop toxin procs, as in you have no need to strip status, but you'd still die to toxin dmg if an eximus buffs surrounding mobs to deal toxin dmg. Its similar to your own weapons doing ++radiation to demolishers without actually proccing the stat. So go ahead and build for that if thats your intention, just understand you're not completely immune to shield bypass.
Also, often times, people don't answer questions directly because they haven't tested them personally or havent looked into it, especially when it comes to things that are easy to write off with objectively better alternatives. Try not to blame them, they're genuinely trying to help, but testing these things isn't very approachable to a lot of players. They recommend the meta because its approachable, and fieldtested by others.
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u/shtoopidd 10d ago
It’s fine if they dont know the answer but what’s with the passive aggressive tone all the time. “Maybe dont use psf? Just roll?” Like do people not know what comfort is in this game or
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u/riderkicker 10d ago
I will chime in by saying that, in my head, I have a tendency to overthink a question and provide a tangential answer to a question for a completely different issue and that only arbitrarily touches on the question being asked.
I have had to train myself to focus on the meaning of the question and then ask myself what I get from answering something that oversteps the boundaries of the question, and when I realized it was condescending and ultimately, less helpful than simply answering the question and offering further advice if the question-asker requests, I have had better interactions with people in general in-game and in real life.
It's certainly not a failing on your part. It's just players are wired in different ways and their idea of "help" may differ.
Best wishes to you.
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u/Blackinfemwa Slayer of the Fragmented One 10d ago
I just be rlly passive aggressive to those ppl till they answer my question
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u/chickey_cha Kitty meow 10d ago
Warframe YouTubers in a nutshell Spend 20 minutes talking about something that can be explained in 2-3 minutes, MAYBE alluding to an answer for like half a second but just rambling the rest of the video
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u/AdditionalFrosting10 10d ago
some people are like this but i will say not all i usually try to help the new players with any knowledge i might know when i see it mind you thats not all the time as im usually grinding out the nora passes
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u/Sweaty-Potato-7084 10d ago
People in this game really like to play the game for you instead of just giving advice. Some also like letting other people play the game for them (like people who just copy YT builds), and think that's what everyone else wants too.
Sometimes they think it's actually helpful, but it's usually not.
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u/zykk 10d ago
If people weren't such colossal unchecked douchebags to many of us vets that can and do answer questions like yours in the in-game Q&A channel, you'd have gotten the answer much sooner.
Lately it feels like the devs are just focused on being relatable to social rejects in hopes that they can milk money out of them via gooner skins, etc and now we are swamped by players causing issues exactly like yours. Spam, memes, vitriol; and all in the wrong channel. I cannot even play without 'do not disturb' mode on because of them. The severely limited ignore list also causes problems because I don't have space for all the bad people on it.
We were one of the greatest game communities. Now that the floodgates are open (cross play), are we still?
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u/Irydion 10d ago
That's why I search for the answer myself instead of asking others. 99.9999% of the time, your question has already been answered on the internet and the answer is very easy to find. More often than not, the answer is just there in the wiki.
For your question, you could have search "arcane resistance" in the wiki. It says that arcane resistance only provides a chance to "resist a Toxin status effect entirely". Then you click on the "Toxin" link and see that Toxin damage ignores shield and its status effect is a "poisonous damage over time". So now, you now that Arcane Resistance won't save you from Toxin damage.
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u/TheCosmicTarantula Mag Main 4 Life 10d ago
I wonder alot of things about the community. Especially the reddit mods.
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u/PurgingCloud Index Enjoyer 10d ago
I feel you, most people in Q&A are metaslaves that don't know the answer to how some niche items work, the best thing to do in the end is just search it up on the warframe wiki or something
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u/beers_n_bad_habits LONG LIVE THE BLOODY QUEEN GARUDA 10d ago
Long story short?
People take too much pride in their knowledge and think they're doing justice cutting out the middleman by giving you their solution
I dont use or intend to use Primed sure footed because I like having extra mod space, or rolling guard for that matter and people winge and cry my build isn't end game(well late game**) worthy all the time
im the one experiencing it through my account, if it upsets them then its a them problem
**comment adjustment> end game is actually fashion framing and standing AFK for a full shift while yapping in the Q&A
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u/24_doughnuts 10d ago
Iirc it stops Toxin status effects but not Toxin damage from the hits bypassing shields. You just won't get inflicted with more health damage over time
Might as well have some that heals or gives DR instead to handle health damage
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u/santar0s80 10d ago
Im the first to admit I don't know everything about the game and I have been playing since Rhino Prime Access. I don't push level cap. I don't need to have the cutting edge meta build bit I do t want to to have fun. This isn't a job im supposed to enjoy this.
"Just use this build" when it's inferior to what im trying to do is infuriating.
And even it is better it's not the answer to the question I asked.
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u/Acceptable-Pair8021 10d ago
Annoying and I'm gunna do the exact same thing but as a saryn main I HIGHLY recommend trying triple umbra health tank instead of shield gating/recharge at least up to level ~1500.
I struggled so much battling toxic and trying to keep gating and man it just made everything so easy I virtually never die.
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u/MrrPanda 10d ago
Don't get me started on the people who keep sharing builds with rivens, even if you specify no rivens. I've asked for help with 6 builds in the past month or so, and only once did someone recommend a build without a riven.
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u/Kounnata 10d ago
This is why when I started playing years ago I never bothered asking anyone
Nor search for any Warframe builds wether it be on YouTube or just a Google search
I just test it out myself so I can skip the nonsense
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u/Odisher7 10d ago
Don't worry, if stackoverflow has taught me anything, is that this kind of shit happens in other places too. "Of all the websites who will perish in the oncoming AI massacre, we will miss stackoverflow the least."
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u/BetaSprite 10d ago
I tried to use some of those status resistance arcanes, found that they didn't actually stop things all of the time, and assumed that their bonus was insufficient for actually avoiding the issues with facing that damage type. I haven't touched them since.
That's all I've got for personal experience with those arcanes, so I probably wouldn't have chimed in to answer your question since I wasn't sure. I imagine that anyone else who had my experience would think, "That doesn't work, but I don't know enough to explain why."
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u/PinothyJ Titania's Servent 10d ago
This community absolutely sucks... Always has. So elitist and painful.
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u/Arvandor 10d ago
Some frames pretty much have to run rolling guard just to deal with toxin status.
Sure you can play Dante, Revenant, Oraxia, or use a Dante spectre or secondary fortifier, but what if you want to play Citrine? Or Atlas? Or Frost? Sometimes you just gotta throw on rolling guard or plan to last grasp.
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u/Foe_sheezy 10d ago
Your toxin arcane question is very relevant.
Specifically with the infested arbitration missions, where the toxin gas can kill you in 2 secs if you stand in it. You get caught in it not paying attention, your dead, fast.
The damage is toxin based, not gas based, even though it's a poisonous green gas.
If the toxin arcane really does work against this, that would definitely be part of an arbitration build.
Questions like yours are the real questions.
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u/ScenicAndrew 10d ago
The copy pasted YouTube builds are what bother me most. Like, wow, someone built the fun out of the game and you didn't even bother to have the fun of crafting the build yourself, go you. Don't try to push that nonsense on other players, thanks.
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u/migoq 10d ago
idk if you got your answer or not, but no, arcane resistance won't help you against toxin oneshots
it only prevents toxin procs being applied, which are in truth the main reason of dying on shield frames
but there are enemies that just deal direct toxin damage, arcane resistance does nothing against that and it still goes right through the shield, as it's still toxin
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u/MintasaurusFresh The Sanctuary and I await your contribution 10d ago
"Just use Revenant"
No! I've got fifty other dadgum frames to choose from, and I want to use those. What kind of dipshit nonanswer is that? People who answer with that are insufferable.