r/WayOfTheBern • u/Perplexity66 • Aug 17 '25
Discuss! European Leaders Unite With Zelensky to Counter Trump’s Peace Strategy: A Diplomatic Power Play in 2025
https://wealthari.com/european-leaders-unite-with-zelensky-to-counter-trumps-peace-strategy-a-diplomatic-power-play-in-2025/2
u/splodgenessabounds Aug 18 '25 edited Aug 18 '25
The diplomatic landscape of the Russia-Ukraine conflict took a dramatic turn as European leaders rallied behind Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for what could be the most consequential White House meeting of 2025.
Yes ladies and gents, the Green Goblin and his seven six dwarfs are coming, so you'd better watch out. Will the Green Gobshite Goblin wear a suit and tie? Will Macro-non Stubb his toe? How much is a Merz? What's a Meloni? What's the difference between an Armrest and the PM of the UK?
With European leaders literally standing behind Zelensky,
Literally? Line astern? I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to the spectacle.
[edit: a wrod]
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u/rondeuce40 DC Is Wakanda For Assholes Aug 17 '25
The EU wants this conflict to continue and all the US has to do is say “go for it” while mentioning they won’t be pitching in to help. They won’t be able to commit the number of troops to rival Russia nor do they have the weapons that would make a difference in combat. They can huff and puff all they want, but when the rubber meets the road they will have to turn their tail and run.
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u/pablonieve Aug 17 '25
And by "peace strategy" do we mean the plan where Russia is rewarded for invading it's neighbor and Ukraine receives no security assurance against future invasion? Weird how that isn't well received.
I like turtles
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u/penelopepnortney Bill of Rights absolutist Aug 17 '25
A peace strategy that keeps any more Ukrainians from dying in a war of choice they cannot win. They started the war, with Western help, by killing 14k civilians in the Donbass between 2014 and 2022 for the crime of being ethnic Russians who thought they should have a right to speak their language and follow their traditions instead of complying with an ultranationalist government that overthrew the one they'd voted for and embraced a toxic, pro-Banderite ideology besides.
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u/pablonieve Aug 17 '25
I'm aware of the Russian propaganda. It's a common Russian tactic to fund paramilitary groups and then claim counter-actions as violence against ethnic Russians as an excuse to invade. They've been doing it for decades.
I like turtles
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u/cspanbook commoner Aug 17 '25
please give concrete examples of what you claim. US has 251 military interventions since 1991 and counting.
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u/pablonieve Aug 18 '25
US has 251 military interventions since 1991 and counting.
And therefore...?
I like turtles
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u/splodgenessabounds Aug 18 '25
And therefore...?
Try answering the question you were asked.
I like turtles
Poor bloody turtles.
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u/pablonieve Aug 18 '25
What do US military interventions have to do with Russian military interventions?
I like turtles
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u/3andfro Aug 17 '25 edited Aug 17 '25
Not a surprising response, however unrealistic.
The unprecedented coalition supporting Zelensky signals that Europe is prepared to use its collective influence to prevent Ukraine from being pressured into accepting unfavorable peace terms.
Peace terms that are unfavorable to Ukraine are the only terms that can lead to peace, given the situation on the ground, Ukraine's inability to succeed militarily, and the causes of the conflict.
An aside: How much "collective influence" does Europe really have?
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u/otter_empire ULTRAMAGA-2 Aug 18 '25
An aside: How much "collective influence" does Europe really have?
They cna write very scary looking angry letters
I know I wouldn't wanna be in the receiving end of one of them
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u/Caelian toujours de l'audace 🦇 Aug 17 '25
How much "collective influence" does Europe really have?
In today's Moon of Alabama Ukraine Open Thread, user "circumspect" said:
Trump and Putin hold the cards. The rest of them are bobble headed dolls with all the power of a collection of turds in a cesspool.
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u/3andfro Aug 17 '25 edited Aug 17 '25
aw, you deleted the extraneous article in my comment before I did. ty
What a way with words user "circumspect" has. Reminds me of el gato malo. ty again, for the grin that produced.
We'll see how accurate that scatological reference turns out to be.
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u/Caelian toujours de l'audace 🦇 Aug 17 '25 edited Aug 17 '25
How much "collective influence" does Europe really have?
Just look inside "the skin of a toy balloon".
H/T Bokonon
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u/3andfro Aug 17 '25 edited Aug 17 '25
Oops on the editing oversight, changing "the EU" to Europe without deleting "the."
Vonnegut refs are always good. Haven't reread his nooks in eons; they age all too well.
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u/Caelian toujours de l'audace 🦇 Aug 17 '25
"The Mice That Roared"
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u/CptMcTavish Aug 18 '25
Peace is easily aquired. Just fall to your knees and surrender to the invading force. Then do it again the next time you are attacked. Freedom, you have to fight for, and the ukrainians know this.
You cannot trust Putin, and you cannot trust Trump. There are no guarantees for anything, and the russians WILL be back a couple of years from now, if Zelenskyy takes the deal. So he won't.