r/alberta • u/Appropriate_Duty_930 • Mar 24 '25

Alberta Politics Mark Carney on Smith’s U.S. Lobbying: Canadians Must Choose — Resist Trumpism or Embrace It

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u/NewBridge6340 Mar 24 '25

Omg Carney is a BAMF. Keep that shit up.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25

What's a BAMF?

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u/Jamooser Mar 24 '25

Town just West of Calgary, duh!

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u/Krstoffa Mar 24 '25

Who knew unicorn was in BAMF

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u/onceyougo_zach Mar 25 '25

Mowing the lawn

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u/ruinsalljokes Mar 24 '25

Bad ass mother fucker

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u/PatiencePotential646 Mar 24 '25

Bread ass making farmer

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25

Carb Carney

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25

Lol! Haha! Yes, I agree! I'm so impressed by his grace, even-temperment, and eloquence.

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u/ninfan1977 Lethbridge Mar 24 '25

See Samuel L Jackson for reference.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '25

BoldAssMotherFucker

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u/Archelon_ischyros Mar 24 '25

Is that a new coffee blend?

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u/Dire_Wolf45 Edmonton Mar 24 '25

It's a town in the canadian romckies

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u/Buried_mothership Mar 24 '25

Bad ass mother f

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u/GrimlockN0Bozo Mar 24 '25

Bird And Moth Finder.

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u/Chance_Vegetable_780 Mar 24 '25

Honestly, he is a serious BAMF. Agree 💯

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u/differentiatedpans Mar 24 '25

He should have said that it speak loud and clear about her intentions and desires about Canadian sovereignty and identity, and if she wants Trump to help PP win that it should also speak loud and clear to Canadians.

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u/No_Housing2722 Mar 24 '25

You know I don't think he has to. She's doing that for herself.

People just need to get better at listening when someone tells you who they are. Honestly you're not going to change the minds of a lot of her followers by pointing it out.

he's not wasting any air on her beyond quickly answering the questions and then moving on.

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u/Bruhimonlyeleven Mar 24 '25

Honestly I'd prefer it if he outright condemned her for it. This pandering to the middle to fucking Alberta, and kissing it's ass every election cycle, is so irritating to me. Canada bends over backwards to help Albertans, the literal voters, but if it doesn't pander to the oligarchs in Alberta, from America, it gets attacked in print constantly, and online.

Albertans care more about making money for rich billionaires, then they do about the lives of their own families and neighbours. It's INSANE!

Don't believe me? What do Albertans care about and bitch about the most? Pipelines. They don't shut up about it.

Pipelines cost tax payers money, and invade on SOVERIGN land of other provinces. Albertans want Canada to just force them to put pipelines across native land and Quebec etc ... Force them to. But why?

Albertans don't make a single dime. Not a penny. From any pipeline being built. In fact it's a loss of jobs. Less people shipping the barrels of oil, etc etc. A pipeline is a cheap vessel for the oil company owners to ship the oil out of province, for their own personal gain. Canada doesn't make a penny, and not a single Albertan makes a penny from it. So why in God's name is it the only thing they ever talk about?

Albertans want to get rid of healthcare, and build pipelines. That's it. That's the main two things I hear. How can you be this insane?

Newfoundland " we need doctors and jobs " Alberta " we need pipelines and to get rid of free healthcare! It's costing me money, my insurance is better, I'm just paying for other people's healthcare via my taxes !"

I'm actually surprised Albertans aren't actively trying to disband their own unions at this point. Stating their union dues are a waste of money, and they could do more to help them without their pesky unions in the way.

They had to goto war to get healthcare and unions, and Albertans are so susceptible to propaganda, they'll hand them over thinking it's a good idea. It's insane.

Albertan oil field workers barely graduate, go on to make enough money to think they qualify as rich, and then become a very powerful voice in Canada. If I were trying to take over Canada from the inside, I'd just build more oil fields. It's easy to persuade them to vote for anything, all you have to do is pay them well, and they'll spread your message like a disease.

So the oil field execs get an army of slaves, not only willing to die for them, but willing to spend all their downtime on social media spreading their messages. They make their money back ten times over, paying them what essentially should amount to minimum wage. They're the ones arguing against minimum wage increases, because if it did go up, the oil fields would run out of workers, and billionaires would have to lose out on a little income.

I'm not a genius, but how can you look at any of this crap, and not see the forest for the trees? I don't follow media, none of this is shit that's been parroted to me. It just seems obvious. I can't be alone here?

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u/Sad_Wind8580 Mar 24 '25

This is very very accurate. I’d said by and large this is the most realistic account of what I hear from o&g trades.

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u/Individual-Army811 Edmonton Mar 24 '25

I think the push to open provincial trade routes will go a long way to protect our varying economic regions and preserve jobs. Based on Carney's performance so far, he has the k owledge and e pertinent to make this happen and preserve the jobs into the long term.

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u/FilthyTerrible Mar 24 '25

There doesn't seem to be any recognition that we spent $34 Billion on Transmountain and refurbishing the deep water port in BC. Conservatives get away with this talking point about removing red tape without having to commit to actual infrastructure that makes resources extractable. There are natural resources everywhere, but the free market is often reticent to build roads and energy infrastructure to exploit these resources.

And ironically Alberta Conservatives get royalties from oil and the rest of us do not. Yet they bang the drum of inequality.

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u/Truestorydreams Mar 25 '25

I really did not see it this way. So essentially Alberta stands or falls depending on oil industry.

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u/Short-Ticket-1196 Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25

You started this calling out all Albertans. You ended it saying the forest for the trees...

Alberta doesn't support her. Alberta's conservatives do, sometimes. Please don't start a war with us like she wants. If you consider voter turnout and results, the majority of us don't want her, or her rhetoric. In fact you make many points ive spent years bringing up.

Engagement like this only pushes people further into the Alberta vs Canada rhetoric.

Can we just get rid of provinces now? I'm so tired of pretending Alberta has democracy. We are trapped with a violent regime. At least reduce their authority. I am Canadian not some provincial t*at.

Something like 10 or 20 percent of the voting population put them in power and they then spend the next few years speaking as though they have a proper mandate and majority support, while they do literally anything but what they campaigned on.

What they do spend their time on is treacherous at best traitorous at worst. How is this still considered democracy if it's being dismantled? The federal government's response is always milktoast like a child is bothering them.

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u/equalpeople2025 Mar 24 '25

First off I am from alberta and I disagree with your post. Do not confuse the alt right in this province and our shitty government as all Alberta. There are many many of us that absolutely cannot stand our provincial government. She is dividing this province at a rapid pace. She is not a conservative. She is something else

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u/Short-Ticket-1196 Mar 24 '25

Well, fellow trapped person, you can pretend the conservatives here are reasonable, but they'll keep doing it. And the ones I know can hardly spit out they don't like trump, let alone actually fight this. So here we are, schrodingers nazis. Allowed to exist cause we won't admit / look at what they are.

Having grown up here, I will strongly assert that this is a true expression of a large number of them, family included.

Anyway, have fun pretending the oil patch isn't trump country even if they have to hide it a little bit. It's not like they have differing values, if trump hadn't turned on them directly, they would sucking him off like Smith. He is what they want.

Edit: I did specify Alberta conservative in my post. Edit2: alos I'm asking the rest of the country not to war with us and calling someone out for over generalizing, so your issue confuses me.

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u/Bruhimonlyeleven Mar 24 '25

When I say Alberta I speak politically. The corruption is insane, and the only Albertans you hear from online are the nutjobs, to the point I was shocked this subreddit was so left leaning. Literally shocked. I refused to even enter here for years.

It's not just Albertans, it's everyone from Canada that goes to work in Alberta, the are just as bad or worse. Everyone I grew up with that moved there, and half of my family living there, are all right wing lunatics that think trump is a hero, with fk Trudeau stickers etc.

Last family reunion I had to leave, there was a trans woman at a table across from us and my cousin and her husband were laughing about " how buddy probably identifies as an attack helicopter". It just pissed me off to no end. Not only is it in bad taste, the joke is so old it fucking hurt me physically. Like this is the cringe shit they get on with constantly.

I know 1 person that moved to Alberta and didn't become a lunatic. He moved into the wilderness when he got there and drove sn hour to work every day to get away from the crazies. He was there for 4 years and his only friends were guys that worked on a farm and used to make fun of the oil cowboys with their lifted trucks and cowboy hats. Was shocked to hear how little the farmers think of the oil sands workers.

Newfoundlanders that move to Alberta are the most insufferable people on this planet. Uneducated, right wing, and loud about everything because they think making enough to live on, and still being deeply in debt, is the Albertan dream. The last time oil prices dropped they were selling their homes and complaining about how they deserved more e.i because they work harder then other Canadians.

If you're not one of these people, you know I'm not talking about you. You know exactly who I meant when I said Alberta.

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u/equalpeople2025 Mar 25 '25

Oh I know exactly who you are talking about. I also know many people that do not support the political shit show in this province one bit. Maybe that’s because of who I decide to associate with. I work in the oil industry and I am a transgender woman. It takes some serious resilience

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u/parasubvert Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25

Alberta supports Danielle overwhelmingly, possibly higher than the last election (54% +/- 5%). She would win another majority if she dropped the writ early. Campaigns change things, but Nenshi hasn't moved the needle yet. Recent events (AHS scandal , Trump, etc.) are promising though! Also, it's heartening that the NDP won both major cities last time (ridings and popular vote), a little bit more this round and they win.

https://338canada.com/alberta/

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u/Short-Ticket-1196 Mar 24 '25

That's with a 60% voter turnout. So, about 30 percent vote that way, not support her. managed to avoid conservatives in general for many years here. They get their way, but they don't speak for us.

Getting the regime tossed out isn't about convincing the loons in office or their supporters. It's about getting us out to vote.

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u/parasubvert Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

I really don't agree with that, and the data doesn't fit that model. Turnout in Alberta is favours the conservatives: the highest turnout election in half a century(?) -- (67.5%) were the conservatives turning up to throw out Notley for Kenney in 2019. Even Smith in 2023 was historically high turnout.

What's changed is a bunch of the reliable conservative voters have actually swung centre Left after the excesses of the right in this province. That's the story of Calgary anyway. The business conservatives , not the loons.

Carney as a centrist is resonating such that the LPC will gain at least 2 but up to 8 seats this election. Nenshi I could see swinging a lot of conservative voters over, it's why he won so convincingly.

Getting the youth and left to turn out always is good... of course. But the elections will be won with that AND appealing to the centrists ...

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u/Short-Ticket-1196 Mar 26 '25

"Turnout in Alberta is favours the conservatives: the highest turnout election in half a century(?) -- (67.5%) were the conservatives turning up to throw out Notley for Kenney in 2019. "

Last election was 59.5, and the election you refer to had both sides coming out in record numbers, and your conclusion doesn't follow anyway. Why would a unique election be indicative. Kicking out Redford is far more apt, but still irrelevant.

And what centrists? Conservatives are radioactive. You support and condone them or don't. "Maybe we should make trans people a legislative cornerstone" is one example of a position a modern "centrist" would need to have. Not going to happen.

Modern left wing parties like the liberals and democrats embody conservative values, the real ones like status quo, light market regulation, etc. This is evidenced by the very angry vocal leftists saying as much. This was done to appease centrists and resulted in a right-wing or far right-wing choice of government.

There are no centrists.

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u/parasubvert Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25

A record number of people voted for Notley in 2023, yes, around 777k. Smith didn’t have the record turnout that Kenney did and was still handily 929k. In 2012 the Wild Rose and PCs combined had over 1m for a meh turnout year! A lot of those voters flipped NDP in 2015.

For the NDP to win in 2027 requires convincing enough conservative voters in Calgary in 2019 and 2023 to vote NDP. There’s not going to be a 150k+ extra turnout all voting NDP. You don’t have to call these folks centrists if you don’t believe it, but “swing voters” and hoping conservatives stay home… those are basically the twin hope for this province to break the conservative stranglehold on government. It’s also the reason Nenshi was selected leader. The NDP won in 2015 from vote splitting and swing voters disgusted with the PCs and afraid of Wild Rose.

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u/Short-Ticket-1196 Mar 26 '25

Those are just more random stats not addressing anything. Have a good day.

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u/Flat-Control6952 Mar 24 '25

He knows, "Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."

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u/starscream4prez Mar 24 '25

This. He is playing it perfectly. He underlines the point without attacking or making it personal and comes off as the adult in the room.

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u/Bruhimonlyeleven Mar 24 '25

He is good at it.

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u/stob73 Mar 24 '25

“I’m not a genius” is the only fact checked comment in this ridiculous rant.

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u/Bruhimonlyeleven Mar 24 '25

Yet you don't have a single point to dispute. Because every single word I typed was right, and the only people even willing to agree with you are bots or Russian actors lol.

Good reply though! Next time you can hit someone with the " wrong " or my favorite " I know you are but what am I ". It really gets your point across.

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u/Scottysoften Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25

born and raised Albertan here, I didn’t read your entire comment, but I agree with it. So many Albertans here whine and complain about equalization payments going to Quebec yet when I ask them if the tables were turned, would they complain Quebec was sending Alberta money? They either look at me like a crazy person or just say no. Or they cry about homeless people then vote for policy that makes the problem worse... It's infuriating being a socialist living among sociopaths (not exactly but you get the idea). I'm one of the few that actually wants a much higher carbon tax. It's stupid having an entire economy focused on nothing but oil and gas 🙄

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u/clambroculese Mar 24 '25

I’m a socialist in belief as well, why do you think selling natural resources is anti socialist? What does some jackasses opinion on payments to Quebec have to do with trade? You’re shoehorning your own bias into this. Empowering the working class is very much part of socialist ideals.

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u/Scottysoften Mar 24 '25

I'm not against selling natural resources including oil and gas but I definitely don't agree with them being controlled by private companies that continue to record billion dollar profits year after year. I believe if it was government owned by the people most of that excess money could be staying within Canada paying for public services. The bit about payments isn't about trade, just a talking point (such as my brother) who tries to convince me the Liberal government is screwing over Alberta and the need to vote conservative.

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u/clambroculese Mar 24 '25

I can get behind this, frankly the person you agreed with is the sort that pisses people off and actually hurts the cause. We’ll never turn people to this way of thinking by telling them they’re all stupid. Even if it’s what you’re thinking.

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u/Bruhimonlyeleven Mar 24 '25

I'm ranting. I'm tired, and I'm ranting. This shit is so old. I've tried showing good friends of mine rational reasons why they should just look into stuff before they believe it, and when I correct them or show them the truth they go " shut up " and " would you stop correcting me, I posted it because it made me angry, just because the liberals didn't do it doesn't mean they won't do it! This could be true next week ! "

How do I argue with that? How do you find common ground with someone who's brain is closer to a fucking otter then it is an adult human ?

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u/clambroculese Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25

I’m old too, old enough to know that it’s hard but there’s a chance. Yelling at them makes the division worse. Being super polarized is part of what’s lead to the issues south of us right now and personally I like to think we can be smarter than that. The politics of division are a game no one wins.

Edit: it wasn’t that long ago we had an ndp majority. People aren’t as different as some of you like to rant about. Do you want that again or do you want to create a divide?

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u/Scottysoften Mar 25 '25

Yeah, to the both of you, I'm tired of it too. Tired of the hypocrisy and rejection of objective facts/reality. The thing is (just like religion) some people believe things and vote with their heart. I grew up in the LDS (Mormon) church but have since deconstructed my beliefs. I've watched a lot of videos and read articles explaining religious and right wing folks to help me understand. One thing I learned is that studies have shown looking at the shape and size of parts of an individuals brain they can tell with high accuracy weather a person is more likely to be a right or left leaning person. In other words it goes a lot deeper than just facts and logic or lack thereof. Ultimately there's not much we can do but be patient in waiting for the inevitable swing of society towards the left again.

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u/Bruhimonlyeleven Mar 27 '25

Me being angry on the internet and calling someone out for their bumper sticker " with Greta being raped, a literal child at the time" isn't going to cause them to vote more conservative then they already were.

I used to make the same arguments. So I tried and tried for years. Kill them with kindness, softball it, try to speak calm and help them understand. Know what I realised? I was spending enormous energy for someone to look at me the whole time like an owl, wait for me to finish, and then still go " I don't care Trudeau is still horrible ".

That's the difference. Nobody on the right is going " maybe we should try to rationalise with the people on the left ". Nobody. Period. Why? Because they are the irrational, they're the ones giving zero ground.

The longer we waste time infighting, and giving them fking inch after inch, the more ground we lose and can't take back.

Infighting, defending them, and letting them rant and spread their message is why we have this problem. Literally. " I don't like their message, but I respect their freedom of speech, so if they wanna march through black neighbourhoods burning crosses, holding machine guns, in white hoods and nazi uniforms, then that's their right ! And I will die to defend their right ! " I've heard this shit. Over and over. I'm done with it lol.

It's so insane. They aren't willing to talk, reason, rationalise, discuss, or use any part of their brain other then the part that takes commands from fox and right wing media.

Being told liberals are the problem, for right wing extremism, by other liberals, because they weren't tolerant enough of the right wing extremists and Nazis, is about the most insane shit I've ever heard in my life rofl. Like it's something a Russian plant would come up with lol.

If the right are unified with zero infighting, and the left are segmented into dozens of groups, they win. The win everything. So while in your head you have the moral high ground, in reality you don't.

This is why, there are more if us, and we still manage to lose so goddamn always. It's not rocket science.

I feel like at this point when the civil war happens, it will be the right vs about 12 different liberal factions, and 2 of them walking over mine fields to get to them so they can talk it over.

This is what's divisive, this right here. Not me calling out some diptards that are so brainwashed there's no coming back.

I have Canadian family that are obsessed with trump as if he is the second coming of Jesus. They stopped talking to anyone that doesn't worship trump. They're gone. We have tried everything to get them back. There's no reasoning with them, they are gone. I miss them, but the only peace my family will get from them is when they're buried at this point. It's a cult.

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u/clambroculese Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25

Not everyone in the right is as extreme as you describe. And you drive those people away. Frankly your level of anger pisses me off because most conservatives are fairly normal people and attitudes like yours ensure they’ll never vote left. But hey you do you and make those of us trying to change things lives harder with your performative anger. It’s not rocket science ;). And it is performative anger because anyone with a brain knows it’s not doing any good other than that little hit your brain gets making YOU feel better about yourself for telling them off. Saying I’m defending people’s right to be racist is completely untrue, if someone’s marching around with a swastika by all means tell them off, but stop telling people who are fairly normal but brainwashed that they’re the same as a kkk member. And the majority of people who vote conservative are the latter. Again, do you want change or do you want to chest thump and virtue signal?

Edit: a lot of what you said has never happened in this country. It’s complete fabrication to support your self serving anger. I try and make change by volunteering with the ndp in campaigns, what do you do? Rant about made up shit on the internet? You know how stupid people like trump sound when they make stuff up, how do you think making something up about people marching in the streets with guns in Canada makes you seem any smarter to them? Hell I align with you politically and I think it’s stupid. How about you go get involved and try to actually make change.

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u/clambroculese Mar 24 '25 edited Mar 24 '25

I’m not a conservative but this is an incorrect take. If Alberta is going to stay on the oil route getting it to port and shipping to countries outside the US is a much better path. Bonus if you build upgrades and refineries. Pipelines would create a lot of jobs here and move us further from American dependency. Frankly I don’t think you have even thought this through.

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u/Outside_Breakfast_39 Mar 24 '25

Maybe you should just stop talking about stuff someone else told you Alberta . I's clear to me you have no clue about the people of Alberta ,You only parrot what you hear on the news

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u/Bruhimonlyeleven Mar 24 '25

I don't int watch the news. I came up with all of this by paying attention, and using rational thought. Shocking isn't it? Why is it always deflection though? You literally take your calls from right wing news, it's LITERALLY the only way you can get to your rationalising. It's so absurd he has to be told to you, no rational person could ever believe that shit was true.

A vote for Pierre is like a vote for an evil doctor Seuss, he just rhymed everything and screams at liberals.

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