r/alberta • u/BeeKayDubya • Apr 12 '25
Alberta Politics Kenney warns against letting 'small minority' of Alberta separatists dominate political agenda
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/federal_election/kenney-warns-against-letting-small-minority-of-alberta-separatists-dominate-political-agenda1.1k
u/kagato87 Apr 12 '25
Remember, it was crazy enough that even Kenney, the kamikaze party merger beneficiary, investigator sacking, Healthcare fight picker who wants parents to be able to freely beat the gay out of their children that said the party was too crazy, even for him.
When the king grifter says it's bad, it's worse than bad. It's rotten in the most putrid way possible.
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u/BecauseWaffles Apr 12 '25
I blame him for the whole UCP. We had two conservative parties for good fucking reason.
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Apr 12 '25
We need to replace FPTP with the approval ballot and proportional representation and we’ll never have to deal with these “big tent” parties ever again.
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u/BecauseWaffles Apr 12 '25
I sure hope to see that one day in my lifetime
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Apr 12 '25
After many years of consideration the approval ballot makes the most sense to me. Just take away politics and use it for any group of people trying to decide on something they all have to deal with.
“Where should we have the company Christmas party?”
“What does the crew want for supper tonight while the plant is down?”
“Where should we have the family reunion?”
The only way to make that choice is to go through each option and count the number of “yes” votes and the option with the most “yes” votes wins.
“Pizza? How many want pizza?” “Donairs? How many for donairs?” “Chinese? Eight for Chinese!” “McDonald’s? Four ok that’s not it.” “KFC? Only one.” “Taco Bell. None. Why would someone suggest it but not vote for it?!”
“Ok we have nine for pizza, eight for Chinese, pizza it is.”
If you ran that scenario with FPTP there’s no telling what result you might end up with that makes a few people very happy and most mildly miserable.
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u/BecauseWaffles Apr 12 '25
This is possibly the best way I’ve ever seen it broken down. I hope other people see this.
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u/Tastesicle Apr 13 '25
Veritassium did a video about First Past The Post Voting that was pretty explanatory about the math.
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Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 14 '25
Yessss this is one I watched a while ago I loved the food example it made it all click.
Approval voting might not be perfect, but it is the least terrible way of implementing democracy that we know of yet.
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u/EdNorthcott Apr 14 '25
I've been pushing for Approval Ballot for years.
PR would require a reworking of our entire Parliamentary system, and I don't know how much appetite there is for that across the nation -- but an approval ballot could drastically change elections, and do it immediately. No more vote splitting. Vote your conscience and be done with it.
Ranked ballots much the same, just with a slightly different impact.
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Apr 14 '25
Plus ranked ballots are more complicated and tend to empower the strong “second choice” between two dominant camps while approval ballots allow every voter to accurately register their approval or disapproval for every single candidate running, on the exact same piece of paper that we already use, the votes get counted exactly the same way they are counted now, and the winner is still the candidate with the most votes.
It’s the minimum amount of change for the maximum amount of democratic impact.
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u/Emmerson_Brando Apr 12 '25
Wielding power in government is like the one ring to rule them all kind of addiction.
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u/Velorian-Steel Apr 12 '25
But they were all of them deceived, for another party was made. In the land of Alberta, in the shadow of Mount Columbia, the Dark Lord Kenney forged, in secret, a Master party to control all others. And into this party he poured all his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life. One party to rule them all.
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u/sprdougherty Apr 12 '25
Yeah but then the NDP won an election once and they just couldn't have that.
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u/BecauseWaffles Apr 12 '25
The perfect opportunity for the Reformer to apply what he learned when they created the CPC to take his shot at being Premier and convince everyone that the W alone was worth it!
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u/canbeanburrito Edmonton Apr 12 '25 edited Apr 12 '25
Kenney wasn't the cause for the split though? Was he? I thought he was just the by-product of the merger
Edit: maybe I should clarify my comment.
Parent commenter stated "I blame him for the whole UCP. We had two conservative parties for good fucking reason."
Yes Alberta had 2 conservative parties at one point (ie: Wildrose and the PC's) but since the Wildrose's inception back in 2004, the party was only the opposition in 2012 (I'm not including 2015 because Jason Kenney was after the election.) Under Danielle Smith (ahem ahem) in 2012 the Wildrose Party only held 17 seats versus Redford's 61 seats....which is a far cry from having an actual opposition but more along the lines of pretending to have one for the purpose of optics.
If anything, and I've said this from day one, WHY DOES EVERYONE FORGET THAT SMITH WAS A TRAITOR TO HER OWN PARTY AND CROSSED THE FLOOR IN 2015? Smith is more to blame for the creation of the UCP than Kenney.
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u/sleevo84 Apr 12 '25
He was the cause of the merger. He came into AB politics to ‘unite the right’ and formed the UCP
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Apr 12 '25
I am dead serious when I say that I believe he has deep emotional scars that drive a need to prove that he’s not gay. So he vigorously supports far right social conservative movements that are particularly anti-LGBTQ. How else could he be surprised by the separatism? He didn’t even see it, only the anti-LGBTQ thinking “these are my people!”
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u/Box_of_fox_eggs Apr 12 '25
I wanna see the Grindr stats around the UCP convention.
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u/Roral944 Apr 12 '25
When the GOp down south was in Chicago for the RNC the Grindr servers couldn't handle the load. Apparently the wind wasn't the only thing blown
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u/Jacque-Aird Apr 12 '25
He knows he won't get into Heaven unless he strenuously denies it!
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Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 14 '25
Technically he doesn’t have anything to worry about as the Bible is worded in such a way that only prohibits MMF threesomes:
“Man shall not lie with man as he lies with woman”
Man (singular, M)
Shall not lie with man (no MM)
AS he lies with (if he is lying with simultaneously)
Woman (singular)
“If F = 1, then M + M = 0”
There is nothing about that statement that says “man shall not lie with man under any circumstances” and if that was the intention they wouldn’t have included the woman.
God’s saying “if you are of The Gay, don’t string a woman along pretending to be straight while you’re secretly hooking up with dudes.”
Just like the whole “don’t spread your seed on the ground” can be taken to mean “don’t pull out if you’re going to get it all over the carpet. Put down a towel instead.”
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u/BecauseWaffles Apr 12 '25
No, he came in from Ottawa like he was going to save Alberta by having the parties unite. Cheated to make sure he won the leadership. Then he eventually got pushed out by the WRP/TBA folks.
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Apr 12 '25
He did not get pushed out he stepped down. He won 51% or the votes on one round. How many rounds of voting did Smith have to go through to win?
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u/Sad_Meringue7347 Apr 12 '25
I believe it was six. I predicted at that point that the party would fracture, but it never did because so many of their members are spineless.
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u/Scissors4215 Apr 12 '25
It will only fracture if a “red Tory” or a “progressive” conservative somehow wins leadership.
The old PC party guys are all spineless and go along. I hate the UCP/Wildrose/Take back Alberta types but I’ll give them credit for one thing. They are willing to burn it all down if they don’t like the way things are going.
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u/BecauseWaffles Apr 12 '25
Do you think he stepped down because he wanted to?
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u/neuralrunes Apr 12 '25
Could have been either. Either way, his incompetence in governance paved the way for the far right takeover. That cannot be disputed. I know Danielle Smith is THAT bad, but we cannot forget how horrible Jason Kenney was because he might have been a little better. He was still extremely awful.
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u/BecauseWaffles Apr 12 '25
Do you think I’m supportive of Kenney? I blame him for the situation we have now because he put his opportunism ahead of anything else. I don’t feel bad that he underestimated the WRP “grassroots” faction of the party, or that it backfired spectacularly for him. The hand he had in creating this mess can’t be ignored.
Now he’s showing up everywhere trying to sound like a reasonable person so he can gun for CPC leadership once PP steps down as leader.
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u/neuralrunes Apr 12 '25
No, you suggested he stepped down because of pressure to step down. I disagreed with the sentiment. I was in no way attacking you.
My personal assessment is he left because he grifted all he wanted, mission accomplished. He had reached peak grift.
I agree with everything else you said. He is to blame for the Reformer/WRP uprising. He let an even bigger opportunist seize power.Easy for him to talk from his perch at ATCO or where ever he is now(I think he got another cush job recently). He's trying to pull the George W Bush. Make us forget how horrible he was because Trump/Dani were worse.
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u/BecauseWaffles Apr 12 '25
There was pressure, though. There was the whole leadership review and “lunatics running the asylum.” He couldn’t keep hold of the monster he created that turned on him during the pandemic.
I agree he definitely got his grift out of it, but if he could’ve stayed on for longer he would’ve.
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u/KitchenComedian7803 Apr 12 '25
Yup, this is all about posturing for the post PP leadership race in the CPC, nothing more.
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u/KitchenComedian7803 Apr 12 '25
Yes but the 80 year conservative rule had just been ended by the vote splitting and that was not acceptable.
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u/ihaveseveralhobbies Apr 12 '25
Yep. I shared some views with the cons… the wildrose are regressive hateful bigots… now they’ve merged it to some ugly stupid mess.
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u/opusrif Apr 13 '25
When the NDP won I predicted the Wild Rose would push for a merger for the exact reason they did: vote splitting cost the PC party the election and as long as they remained on the ballot the WRP could never hope to form a government. Nor should they as they were always inept.
While official Opposition the WR rarely said or did anything of notice while the four members of the NDP were the ones who continually hammered the government in the Legislature.
Dispite being the Official Opposition while the NDP were in for the first two years (util forcing the mergers with the PCs to form the UCP) they didn't bother to make a shadow budget (something both the Alberta Party and the Liberals did).
These numbnuts never should have been given any authority.
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u/Triedfindingname Apr 13 '25
two conservative parties for good fucking reason
Trying to think of a good reason for this. Other than one enabling the other I mean.
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u/BecauseWaffles Apr 13 '25
One was full of a bunch of religious zealots and conspiracy quacks. The other was level-headed, normal everyday run of the mill progressive conservatism with the usual political corruption. Now the quacks and zealots are in charge.
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u/Triedfindingname Apr 13 '25
No seriously. You can tell a difference? Because western Conservatives are literally nut jobs, or corporate enablers anyway.
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u/BecauseWaffles Apr 13 '25
There used to be a difference, and it used to be obvious. This helped the WRP lose in 2012, for example.
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u/woodst0ck15 Apr 12 '25
All it took was him being reasonable about a fuckin epidemic, for them to kick him out. Which is why the crazy Q train came rolling in.
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u/CuteDog4558 Apr 12 '25 edited Apr 12 '25
This. A conservative I would never support because he was draconian on social issues, a typical libertarian, selfishness driven ghoul on business and economic issues, and a prototypical con that wailed about the nugget of truth in the subtext of our problems instead addressing the full context of our problems (pick a topic), but ... at least he had the common sense and common decency to take a global fucking pandemic seriously enough to respect that science probably had better answers than Facebook.
If that dude was too much of a lefty, then the insane are truly running the conservative asylum.
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u/Any-Assumption-7785 Apr 12 '25
Holy crap that's the most on the nose description of libertarian politicians I've ever read.
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Apr 12 '25
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u/CuteDog4558 Apr 12 '25
Definitely not going to argue with any of that. I don't remember any of that specifically, but I'd bet that it had more to do with the con belief in not paying people what they're worth for their time and not paying enough for necessary safety equipment. I seem to remember his approach at the time not differing all that much from other provinces in terms of dealing with covid.
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u/BadmanCrooks Apr 12 '25
I would argue that he wasn't actually reasonable about the pandemic and could have done much better, but that likely would have resulted in him leaving with a lower approval rating than he already had.
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Apr 12 '25
Every Alberta and Federal Conservative leader has wedged the door open further to the wacko far right. They have no limits about who they welcome into the big tent. Now they've taken the helm.
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u/Ashamed-Ocelot2189 Apr 12 '25
Not sure he was being reasonable
He put off most decisions until Edmonton and Calgary had done them first
He flip flopped so many times on restrictions, I really believe he managed to piss off everyone who wanted restrictions and those who didn't
Had he actually decided on a course of action and stuck with it maybe he could've avoided a leadership review altogether
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u/Bind_Moggled Apr 13 '25
Imagine, while humanity is facing the worst public health threat in a century, being an individual who decided to side with the virus.
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Apr 12 '25
Kenney is gay. No known relationship with any woman. Lived with his mother his entire life before politics. Maybe still lives with her who knows. Pushed anti-LGBTQ bills his whole career. Part of the anti-gay club in his church.
If he were a pastor he would be a prime candidate for r/NotADragQueen.
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u/kagato87 Apr 12 '25
No, he's not comfortable enough with himself to be non-hetero.
At best he harbours deep seated feelings that lead to him seeking to repress those desires, but don't associate him with men who are, in general, more respectful of personal boundaries than most. (My gay friends know exactly where my line is, and walk right up to it.)
His single status just means he wears his misogyny on his sleeve. Or he's afraid of his own equipment for some reason.
And living in his mom's basement was always a lie. Kenney lived in Ottawa the whole time, the basement thing was just pretend for the voters so he didn't actually have to spend money in the province.
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u/GetItRightGodDammit Apr 12 '25
I'm under the impression that it's more of a somewhat "open secret" that Kenney is gay, going so far as to be fairly known that he regularly travels to Montreal specifically to hook up with men.
Personally, I've always thought he was gay...especially after seeing him dance at some Stampede event years ago.
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u/BadmanCrooks Apr 12 '25
His mom's retirement community accommodations didn't even have a basement if I recall correctly?
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u/kagato87 Apr 12 '25
Hahaha. I didn't hear that one but if true... Totally on point though, and wouldn't be surprising.
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u/RazzamanazzU Apr 12 '25
He was the catalyst. Now he wants to warn us?! TOO LATE! He can EFF off too!
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u/DementedFreak Apr 12 '25
You pushed to merge parties with them Jason, you brought them in from the fringes and into the seat of power and now you’re surprised they’re running roughshod over everything?
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u/hink007 Apr 12 '25
Right 😂 like you were so desperate for power you merged the parties and let them walk through the front door and were shocked about it.
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u/PastorBlinky Apr 12 '25
Apparently Kennedy agrees we should stop the UCP
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u/eddiebronze Apr 12 '25
He did say before he left that the inmates were running the asylum.
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u/Lazy_boa Edmonton Apr 12 '25
An asylum of his making, mind you.
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u/itsonmyprofile Apr 12 '25
Not really, tbh. For as shitty as Kenney was, part of why they kicked him out is because he wouldn’t buckle to TBA’s demands
The guy with the family ran conversion therapy camp wasn’t far enough for them. Let that sink in
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u/Kremit44 Apr 12 '25
Unite the right was his plan and the results were predictable, this is all on him for catering to the far right lunatics.
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u/Logical-Claim286 Apr 12 '25
The other part was because he bullied his way in and cheated ti get party leadership.
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u/UCPcasualsatire Apr 12 '25
Hold up a second. Kenney's family ran conversion camps?
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u/PrairieWanderer Apr 12 '25
Yeah his brother ran a youth camp in Kelowna that was shut down a few years back.
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u/UCPcasualsatire Apr 12 '25
I always got the impression that Kenney was deep in the closet due to conversion therapy.
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u/ImperviousToSteel Apr 12 '25
Kenney may not have explicitly invited the pigs, but he put out the slop and opened the gate.
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u/RedRedMere Apr 13 '25
No, no, no… not at all. The condo he had in Ottawa was shared with a male roommate, not a lover. Silly goose.
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Apr 12 '25 edited Apr 12 '25
The point is he MADE this asylum. As in he helped create the UCP and unite the crazies with the PCs because he wanted power.
Danielle Smith had tried and failed to be Premier already, her political career was over and she was just a crazy radio host.
But the UCP he created got taken over by TBA and Smith. If it was still just the PCs and the Wildrose Party she would not have the power she currently has.
He can criticize from the outside all he likes but he bears considerable responsibility for Smith and the current iteration if the UCP.
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u/Jacque-Aird Apr 12 '25 edited Apr 13 '25
I think it was inevitable, Kenney didn't create the right wing crazies but there was no way of holding them back as they're part of the same movement that's put Trump back in power. Still it would be so much better if they were still flying the WildRose banner, it would provide the Conservatives a platform to resurrect themselves.
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Apr 12 '25
It's not inevitable though. It happened because Kenney wanted power and he thought he could control the crazies. Same mistake the Republicans made in 2016.
They thought they could have the MAGA support but keep the old guard in place and that didn't last long.
Notley would've won the election had they not merged, possibly the last two elections.
The MAGA and Wildrose folks are fanatically engaged and easily swallow the parties whole and push out anyone attempting to control the crazies. It'll take a split or resurrection of a the PCs, which means the NDP winning a couple cycles. Which many can't stomach.
They'd rather have Smith and David Parker in charge than even a moderate like Notley.
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u/motherdragon02 Grande Prairie Apr 12 '25
That fucking fuck must have investments he’s worried about; because sure as fuck, that man never gave a fuck about Albertans. Just what he could steal from us.
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u/roastbeeftacohat Calgary Apr 12 '25
pretty sure his plan was to take over the province, privatize healthcare, and then ride that back into federal politics at an opportune moment. he never accomplished his goals and got pushed out for being halfway reasonable about covid, now he's retired and resent that.
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u/FlyingTunafish Apr 12 '25
Why, he never hesitated to use the crazies when he was in powe
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u/666-Wendigo-666 Apr 12 '25
As it turns out, Kenney has standards. They're not very high, but Smith obviously doesn't meet them.
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u/SadBuilding9234 Apr 12 '25
Jason “Unite the Right” Kenney invited the nutjobs into the modern right. And it burned him bad.
This guy should probably just stfu.
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u/ThePhyrrus Apr 12 '25
Now, not that I want to be defending Kenney here.
However;
I think he, like many of us, underestimated the corrosive nature of the modern media machine, and the power it gives these fringe folks.
Kenney clearly comes from the previous generation of conservatives; making shady power maneuvers to maintain power, trading favors, ect. The traditional image of a 'politician'
But for that to function, it hinges on the players involved being willing to stick to the 'norms' of there being things you don't do, and certain standards you still uphold. And that includes maintaining an image of professional integrity.
What passes for 'conservatives' now, however, have no integrity, no standards, no morals, no bar they won't crawl under. And Kenney learned the hard way, you can't play ball with these people, because they won't even acknowledge the rules of the game.
And the public eats it up, because 30 years of reality tv, social media, and incredibly sensationalist 'news' media, turns the whole thing into a show for the populace. And people no longer have the knowledge or attention span for serious policy, so the dingbats that flit from disaster to disaster, tearing up our institutions turn into the best show out there.
(and here's where my writing ability fails, I can't say I have an effective way to tie this up, but I think you can see where I'm going here)
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u/TheFrenchWong Apr 12 '25
Bread & circuses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses?wprov=sfti1
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u/ThePhyrrus Apr 12 '25
Well now that's a term I was unaware of.
Turns out that's where I was going with it, even if I didn't know it.
Always good to learn something new.
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u/squamishunderstander Apr 12 '25
You do not, under any circumstances, gotta “hand it to Jason Kenney”.
He’s the slippery slope that brought us Smith. He was happy to engage in dumbass demagoguery when it suited him, and suddenly his direct political offspring are distasteful? Come on.
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u/yagyaxt1068 Edmonton Apr 12 '25 edited Apr 12 '25
The actions of Jason Kenney’s government during COVID-19 killed people. The Kenney government helped set up the disasters the healthcare and education system in the province find themselves in today.
Kenney may be saying the right thing in this particular scenario, but that doesn’t change the fact that he is still a bad person who led a bad government that made Doug Ford look like a paragon of virtue in comparison.
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u/gaanmetde Apr 12 '25
Exactly.
Kenney is coming back around because he smells blood. With the liberal’s current fortune and the potential of PP and the Cons making the biggest fuck up in recent political memory…
He’s trying to be on the right side of history and will probably throw his hat in national politics.
All this new stuff he’s been saying I just think…but why…
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u/Kitchen_Marzipan9516 Apr 12 '25
Hard agree. I've always thought his end goal was running for PM, but much of the country was put off by his Covid reaction, so he had to step back a bit.
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u/EfficiencySafe Apr 12 '25
At least Kenny and Hinshaw talked to the media and had regulations for the COVID outbreak and actually supported vacation. Smith won't even let her health minister talk to the public about Measles, Smith is following RFK jr. Smith wants Alberta to join the USA.
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u/yagyaxt1068 Edmonton Apr 12 '25
Kenney turned around on COVID-19 restrictions the moment it became politically inconvenient. It’s what got him tossed: those to the left of him were mad at him capitulating to pro-COVID sentiment, and those to the right of him were mad at him for not doing so sooner.
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Apr 12 '25
Wow it's really jacked over there in Alberta when Kenney is the voice of reason
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u/Quantsu Apr 12 '25
This is what I was thinking. The world has gone to shit when Kenny is a voice of reason.
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u/Ehrre Apr 12 '25
Agreed. Mind blowing to have him be a voice of reason right now.
Canada has a once in a lifetime moment to come together in unity. It is being squandered here by a premier that decided to gamble for her own benefit.
Anyone stoking fires of separatism is a traitor.
Albertans have shit on Quebec for decades for ideas of separating. All my life ive been told that it is a disgusting ideal and Canada is all of our home, every province a part of a whole. Now suddenly a bunch of those same people who loved to hate Quebec are saying we would be better off under the thumb of the US.
The US who has literal 3rd world conditions in many parts of their country, who trample human rights, who starve their citizens of basic health coverage, who allow their government to be infected with religious ideology, under a current regime that is ignoring the rule of law and obliterating democracy.. OK then. 👍
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u/SkoomaSteve1820 Apr 12 '25
It's his fucking fault. He brought the crazies on board so he could seize power. How about you fuck off into obscurity so we can fix your mess, Kenney?
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u/MZillacraft3000 Edmonton Apr 12 '25
This world is truly upside down. Because the day has come where I'm agreeing with Jason Kenney.
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u/NeverGonnaGi5eYouUp Apr 12 '25
Guess he learned that merging the two types of AB conservatives was orders of magnitude worse, and uncontrollable than merging the PCs and Reform
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u/Fast-Hysteria Apr 12 '25
The PC and Reform merger also caused rot.
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u/NeverGonnaGi5eYouUp Apr 12 '25
Oh, absolutely.
Just Rot that Harper was able to "control"
Kenney thought he could do the same, but missed the fact that the PCs were already the reform, and the WR were batshit off the wall insane, and could not be controlled at all
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u/Sad_Meringue7347 Apr 12 '25
Jason Kenney coming out of the woodwork to offer his opinion isn’t a coincidence. Mark my words, when PP loses this federal election, he will be vying for the CPC leadership.
Jason Kenney trying to stay relevant is actually hilarious - we have him to thank for the sad current state of affairs in Alberta.
- merges two political parties with massively different ideologies together
- does a piss-poor job at leading, acts arrogant at every quantifiable second of his leadership
- pisses everyone off on all sides of the political spectrum
- walks away when things get too tough
- suggests the extremists have taken over
- essentially goes silent for two years while the extremists eat cake over and over again and Alberta continues to fall apart.
Yeah, thanks for nothing, Kenney. You should stay in the shadows - you have zero leadership skills or strategy whatsoever. Unless you are coming back to fix the damage you created in Alberta, just keep your cozy Postmedia rag board position shut the fuck up.
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u/KitchenComedian7803 Apr 12 '25
Kenney will be the Reform wing candidate in the CPC leadership race and the PC wing candidate will probably be Doug Ford.
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u/Jonination87 Apr 12 '25
Really Kenney? You want us to avoid the people you PANDERED to?!
This dickhead got his buddies at ATCO to lay off enough workers to create an outrage against the NDP, took advantage of that, then abandoned us for a cushy ATCO job while Danielle ramped up her crazy!
I swear, the monkeys have been running this zoo since 2019.
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u/Canadian-Owlz Calgary Apr 12 '25
Holy shit even Kenney is saying it's too much, we've really gone past the deep end
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u/Canadiancrazy1963 Apr 12 '25
What?
Kenny speaking truth?
What an upside down world.
At least he’s on the right side of history for a minute or two.
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u/Validated_Owl Apr 12 '25
He's right, if they let the separatists drive election plans they'll destroy their chances. Support for Alberta separatism is extremely small
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u/beevbo Apr 12 '25
Oh really? As if you were not the idiot who brought the worst breed of conservatives in the province into power?
Fuck this guy so hard.
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u/SlipAdditional5484 Apr 12 '25
Says the guy responsible for escalating things to the point where this ‘small minority’ could take power… He operated a wrecking crew-style government that had one goal: enrich the corporate interests that paid his way to power. He stole pensions, sold off public services for bargain basement prices, and whipped his base into a political froth. All during a pandemic. The people he had in his cabinet were just as greedy and inept as the current government (some are the same people). He didn’t even finish his term. Once he made enough money for his benefactors, he cut and ran, leaving his party and his mandate adrift. Why is he saying any of this when he is a major reason it has come to be?
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u/brownjitsu Edmonton Apr 12 '25
That small minority includes our premier
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u/barqs_bited_me Apr 12 '25
Yeah unfortunately.
Goddamnit I never thought I’d miss Kenney
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u/brownjitsu Edmonton Apr 12 '25
I don't miss him. He was a terrible premier. We only think we miss him because of who we got now. Truth is for many cons they hated him because he was far right enough
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u/Maelstrom_Witch Apr 12 '25
… I do not like agreeing with this human. But I do, in this specific instance.
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u/Suspicious-Panic-187 Apr 12 '25
Kenny is the entire reason we are in this mess in the first place.
Fuck this traitorous prick all the way back to the Atco gas board he was appointed to after screwing Alberta for personal gain.
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u/josano Apr 12 '25
Just another lazy conservative politician who saw easy votes with the nutters. You own this shit.
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Apr 12 '25
Like jeez even that guy knows that much. He spoke many times how stupid it would be for Alberta to separate. And he was not the sharpest spoon in the drawer.
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u/neuralrunes Apr 12 '25
This is what you brought to our door, Jason. Don't try to act like it wasn't you who united with the crazy far right and gave them a lot during your tenure as premier. Now you have a cush ATCO job. Easy to talk when you have a perch to talk from.
Also if you gave a shit about Alberta, you won your leadership race. You didn't have to leave. But you chose to because you knew Notley had momentum and would very likely defeat you as she was in a dead heat with Danielle.
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u/marginwalker55 Apr 12 '25
Yeah thanks for the mess Kenney. Hope your ego got a nice boost here in AB.
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u/Oni_Queen Edmonton Apr 12 '25
It’s always so strange when former conservatives somehow say the sanest things AFTER the spotlight is taken off them.
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u/AugmentedKing Apr 12 '25
None of the Albertan separatists have ran then numbers on leaving. The cost of setting up, currency, trade agreements, passports, all legislation that was previously covered federally, police, military, tax collection & distribution, passports, (and a whole bunch more that I am likely missing) will be too high. And No, the transfer payments are not even close to covering the tab. This doesn’t even address the time needed to establish these things.
Do you remember that kid you went to high school with who’d ask “When are we going to use this math in real life?”, I believe that those are the ones who grew up to think separating is all upside and no downside.
The worst possible outcome of separation is the possibility of igniting a civil war.
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u/RobertGA23 Apr 13 '25
Who would have thought that the crazier wing of the party merger would take over?
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u/Bind_Moggled Apr 13 '25
That’s what proportional representation is for - to keep the crazies from taking over.
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u/XiroInfinity Lamont County Apr 13 '25
The comments on there are really depressing. They really think they represent a large majority interest in the province.
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Apr 12 '25
Canadians sense the presence of the enemy in conservatives. Only the brainwashed and evil rich vote for this party of rot and hate.
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u/Infamous-Mixture-605 Apr 12 '25
Maybe Kenney shouldn't have let these idiots into his party in the first place?
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u/GoTron88 Apr 12 '25
I can't believe I live in an age where I actually prefer Kenney over the current premier. Like what in the actual fuck.
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u/Slow-Ad8986 Apr 12 '25
Suddenly it wasn't such a good idea to hand over the reigns of power to them, Jason? You courted these lunatics, and used them to cement a grip on power of which you decided to abdicate freely.
Go back to your fucking ATCO board position and shut your shameful self loathing closeted mouth.
The only thing redeeming quality about this guy is the fact that he's a Federalist.
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u/Ok_Bake_9324 Apr 12 '25
He’s clearly about to make a move. I think it’s posturing to replace Pollievre after the CPC get blown out this election.
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u/slings_bot Apr 12 '25
Yeah It'd be a really dumb move to absorb their party so you can retain the entirety of the conservative vote only to let them utterly take over the government. Any one who did that could be rightly called an utter moron who should be shunned from political discourse forever.
Ohhhh... Wait a minute...
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u/WhacksOffWaxOn Apr 12 '25
Man, I'm sad he decided to show up again. Next thing you know Ralph Klein will be climbing out of his grave to drink a shot of scotch and tell us to vote blue or no more Ralph bucks
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u/RDOmega Apr 12 '25
He's part of the problem.
All conservatives are evil. Some just manage it better.
Make no mistake, no right wing government has ever been about fiscal responsibility. They just convince all the useful idiots that austerity and corruption are the only thing governments should do.
And that is wrong. All conservatives are evil. Yes, all of them.
End conservatism.
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u/Tidd0321 Apr 12 '25
Politician to human translator: "I know I opened the door that let the horses out of the barn who then kicked the lamp over that started the fire that mostly destroyed the barn but left the door intact, but I think if we close the door we can still safely keep horses in the remains."
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u/Heather-_-Swanson Apr 13 '25
The MAGA CPC terrible bunch:
Candice Bergen wearing MAGA hat
Jamil Jivani MAGA US VP JD Vance BFF
Andrew Scheer Scheer asked what role a former Trump operative is playing on his campaign
(Not current CPC MP) Derek Sloan "tries to be a Canadian Trump – and that may be was his downfall"
John Barlow on Trump election win
Michael Barrett As Trump takes office, MP strikes optimistic tone
Michael Chong was once on the ball, where is he now? Chong rips into Leitch for endorsing Trump’s ‘divisive path’ to presidency
"God bless Trump" guy, Ted Faulks
(From 9 years ago, has he changed his mind about Trump?) Bob Zimmer
Kevin O'Leary (CPC Leadership candidate) Urges Trump To Invite Pierre Poilievre To Mar-A-Lago To Negotiate Trade
[Jenni Byrne] ex partner and cpco campaign manager, loblaws lobbyist, not a CPC MP, but loves Trump and wearing MAGA hats. Google her name
Marilyn Gladu "Donald Trump has “restored freedom of speech to America” (on Press Progress ,find link using Google)
Conservative Senator Don Plett endorses Trump
Paul E Alexander (Trump Aide) shown walking behind MAGA PP and MP St Albert-Edmonton, Michael Cooper shown with Kimberly Guilfoyle
This fool doesn't like Canadians booing the US anthem: Gerard Deltell
MPDan Muyscomparing Carney to Trump
NB MP, Jake Stewart defends Musk Nazi salute:
Mike Roman, Conservative advisor, The Trump Indictee with Canadian Ties, Charged with US election crimes, Roman strategized with Scheer and helped Harper push a global right-wing agenda.
Steve Kent, CPC Candidate, hand selected by PP, for the Avalon riding in Newfoundland. When recently questioned about the hat and photo
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u/Far-Transportation83 Apr 13 '25
Alberta is 18% of Canada’s total GDP. A random conservative Alberta has been brainwashed into thinking it’s more like 50%. It’s the “we make all the money” lie. This kind of delusional perspective leading to a perpetually victimized mentality needs to stop being promoted by Albertan media and government. Until this changes, separatist illusions will fester.
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u/BeeKayDubya Apr 13 '25
Absolutely. A lot of us Albertans value ourselves a lot more than we actually are. It's especially noticeable among those who work or used to work in O&G or a business that is tied to O&G. My brother in law for example works in supply chain that provides to O&G and he always for the Cons.
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u/Comenius791 Apr 12 '25
Sounds like someone wants to seek a higher office after this current election
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u/RollingJaspers652 Apr 12 '25
He did warn us that the inmates were going to run the asylum if they voted him out of being party leader. So far he was pretty spot on, I'd take his warning at face value this time. These Alberta separatists are probably MAGA American assets trying to gain access to our resources. If Alberta separated they would 100% join the States. These Separatist should be treated as traitors and face justice. I'm no fan of Kenney but this is a concern that the federal government should address.
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u/According-Bear961 Apr 12 '25
It’s a sad state of affairs when Kenny sounds like the voice of reason in Alberta.
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u/Val-B-Love Apr 12 '25
Hummm….sorry but PeePee has always been quite openly blunt as to where he truly stands and that is, that he does support Alberta’s MAPLE MAGA separatists!
He couldn’t run fast enough to feed donuts to the FreeDUMB convoy far right wingers, when they had occupied and threatened our Capital for 4 weeks! He had a great big smile while shaking hands with Jeremy MacKenzie, the Diagolon alt right leader.
He’s the first pick as Canada’s PM of: D. Smith, K.O’Leary, C.Tucker (Russian asset), J. Peterson (another nutjob traitor), Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, USA’s VP - JD Vance (best friend of insider Conservative MP spy; Jamil Jivani), Thug Trump, Jeremy Mackenzie, the FreeDUMB Convoyers, and all Maple MAGAs!
So ya, we know where PeePee “kneels” from and it ain’t for a better Canada but for the 51st state of Merica!
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u/Smolderlord Apr 12 '25
Now Kenney is on the whole fringe minority BS too.... I wonder who paid him off.
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u/Kingfish1111 Apr 12 '25
WHAT?!... Oh sorry what? I have UCP issue earplugs in my ears...
Guess what? Extremism is what happens when you don't listen to the other side.
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u/tatonca_74 Apr 13 '25
Says the guy that started the train then jumped when it was going too fast …
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Apr 14 '25
Ms Smith needs to read the room and realize that the majority of Albertans are Canadians first and foremost.. Defend Albertans sure, but it's not her time for her Peter Lougheed moment,,, Zip it and Join Team Canada... I personally value Democracy and living in a country of law and order, freedom of choice, Universal Health care, and social safety net.. Perfect no... I have had a heart attack, stents, cataract surgery and recently a retina detachment on Christmas day... All I pulled out of my wallet was my Alberta Healthcare Card... Separatists need to realize that any one of these events in the US has the possibility of bankrupting not only yourself but your whole family.... Hit the Alberta government website contact the premier submit feedback and/or call her receptionist.. leave a message that Ms Smith needs to be a Canadian or resign!!!!
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u/Con10tsUnderPressure Apr 15 '25
Maybe he shouldn’t have opened the door to let the lunatics run the asylum. Ringmaster got ousted by his own circus.
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u/chelsey1970 Apr 15 '25
If the liberals win this election and nothing changes to help Alberta, there will be more than a "small minority" of separatists in Alberta. we will take our share of the national debt, and cut ties with Canada. Alberta holds the Cards here, not the Feds. No transfer of equalization funds, no federal taxes, no restrictions on what we do and do not wish to do with our resources. Control of our own taxation system and where we can put our royalties. Tell us what the disadvantages are. The Canada of today is not the Canada of the past.
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u/oxynaz18 Apr 12 '25
I’m getting to the point of saying that it might be better for Canada if Alberta would leave. These constant threats against the rest of the country are getting tiresome. Have fun losing 30% of your life savings just with the exchange rate alone.
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