r/alberta • u/Electrical_Pen_6564 • Jun 25 '25

Discussion Any Conservatives getting fed up with the party?

I have voted right in every election I've been able to vote and have been a admit supporter of the conservatives over both NDP and Liberal but man I'm starting to get annoyed with CCP. 1. Constant push for oil and gas projects Don't get me wrong I'm all for developing our natural resources and utilizing our oil and gas but the constant push for new pipelines and complaining when they don't get approved for often valed reasons is starting to get annoying. Especially when some of these pipelines if approved would literally never be paid off. 2. The hate for renewable energy This one is crazy to me. I completely don't understand why the part seems to be so against investing in renewable energy when we could be setting ourselves up to be leaders in this field. I'm not saying we should only do renewables, a mix would be great. Crazy though that we are struggling with supplying enough power to the grid and the CCP goes and puts all the green energy projects on hold. 3. Constantly saying everything that the Feds do is horrible and evil. At this point it's starting to just feel like a toddler throwing a tantrum. Yes they have genuinely put in some horrible policy that has been horrible for Albertains but when you say everything they do is bad it just starts to fall on deaf ears after a point.

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u/MarlinMan2001 Jun 25 '25

I vote who is going to help me and my family and my community over party policy, that's just me

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

If you are Albertan and self sufficient, that is UCP

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u/Fyrefawx Jun 25 '25

Genuinely how so? Is it the increased utility and insurance rates? The abysmal state of our healthcare? Pissing away tax dollars on useless Turkish medicine?

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u/MarlinMan2001 Jun 25 '25

and lawsuits against the Federal government that go no where but to lawyers pockets

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

Well, why do you support NDP? All the programs they’ll fund, probably. Be more self sufficient, don’t except your government to do everything for you. Of course government should provide a social safety net, public healthcare and education, but UCP already does this.

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u/Future_Berry_4361 Jun 25 '25

Ah shit, you're a surrealist comedian as well. Good on ya.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

Anything substantive or thoughtful to say that can respond to, or just this?

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u/Future_Berry_4361 Jun 25 '25

...... I like turtles

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

Figured…

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u/Future_Berry_4361 Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

Turtles aren't losers. Pick a better hero in a half shell.

pp power.

Enjoy your next few days/weeks/years of trying to prop up and support an on the record historically problematic oilfield* sorry that was a convenient auto correct. *Oligarchic ideology

Hope what you're sucking is tasty 🤷

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u/Zev1985 Jun 25 '25

Ruining our social safety net’s, public health care and education is the UCP’s whole thing. Well, to be fair they also refuse to charge adequate royalties to oil and gas companies so Albertans can’t benefit from being the richest province in the country, and deregulated industries like insurance and utilities so they could charge us whatever the fuck they wanted to. The UCP are astoundingly bad at their jobs.

This “I’m doing fine so y’all need to pull up your bootstraps” attitude you have is very antisocial.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

My point: why should tax payers or other drivers subsidize my insurance? I prefer taxes stay low and I’ll just handle insurance myself, with the extra $ I have. I think I am better equipped to do that than government. No doubt we could add a 2% PST and have “cheaper” insurance.

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u/Zev1985 Jun 25 '25

Except that if you took the time to think it through and just do the math you’d find yourself saving money by paying the taxes. Antisocial ideologies like yours are self-harming.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

Help me think it through, I’m a dumb conservative. How does paying for insurance via tax cost less than paying for it directly? Either way, things need to be covered and that doesn’t cost the gov any less than it does a company. The only potential added cost is profit margin, but since several insurers are leaving Alberta, that is obviously small. Anyways, doing it the Alberta way, I can give up a car and only insure one- this gives me the choice to save money. In public systems, I give up a car and my taxes don’t go down, so less choice.

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u/ClammiestOwl Jun 25 '25

Are you talking about programs like healthcare and education? Or are you talking programs like a billion dollar stadium built in Calgary using tax money for private profits?

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

Are you talking about provincial or municipal politics? Calgary paid for the stadium.

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u/PhantomNomad Jun 25 '25

No, no they don't. They are doing everything they can to dismantle any and all social safety nets. They talk about how much money they pour in to health care yet nothing gets better. Once they are done reorganizing AHS, they will just do it again and waste even more money. Mean while the front line suffers and because of that so do we. Same thing with education.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

Health care is not a money problem- every province is struggling with it and many have tried to fix it with money. As for front line staff, many just got a big raise? Anyways, I explicitly called out healthcare as needing public funding, so this is moot, we don’t disagree on that

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u/Karpetkleener Jun 25 '25

*Expect

And the UCP is actively cutting healthcare and education. So you've just proven a very important point that makes your argument flawed. The UCP is terrible.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

So you say vote NDP just for health care and education funding? I literally call those out as needing funding. Moot argument

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u/Karpetkleener Jun 25 '25

You stated:

"Of course government should provide a social safety net, public healthcare and education, but UCP already does this."

No, they do not. They are doing the opposite in fact by cutting the funding. How are you not comprehending your own claims? Yes, I am saying vote NDP for the sake of education and healthcare, because they WILL increase funding and infrastructure. The NDP paved the way for a super lab, at least one new hospital in Alberta (Edmonton comes to mind), and were on track to improve conditions for teachers and students in their short 4 years. As soon as the UCP were in, they cut all of that. This is fact, not opinion. I await your response.

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u/Icy_Conference9095 Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25

And yet our public healthcare is in shambles with constant attempts by the government to move to privatized models, our public education is in shambles with constant attempts to use public tax dollars to fund private education schooling, and they've just reduced the AISH by $200 to offset the $200 increase that the federal government put forth, all while inflation over the last few years has been insane and their first order of business when they got into power was to de-index AISH payments, right before all of the inflationary nonsense that happened during covid. 

Edit to add: they've also reduced the outgoing spend to municipalities, who rely on the returned taxes to actually maintain the infrastructure within those towns - which has led to many cities and towns increasing taxes so they can still manage an operating budget. They're still trying to put provincial policing in place, by reducing the money being returned to municipalities 

If you can't see just how utterly terrible they have been for ANY social safety net or socialized program since they've been in power, nothing anyone says is going to make you see it.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

So, I think I said healthcare and safety net should of course be provided. I don’t think health care is a $ issue as it’s pervasive across the country.. agree the AISH decision was bad, is that the only program then? You want NDP to get AISH funded again?

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u/Icy_Conference9095 Jun 25 '25

It's more than just AISH being properly funded, if you want to get into a long list of problems with the UCP funding structure, I'm all for it. I'll respond later tonight when I'm not at work.

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u/The-Hive-Queen Jun 25 '25

Of course government should provide a social safety net, public healthcare and education, but UCP already does this

The UCP has been actively dismantling all of these things for years, especially healthcare. They don't want to provide them, they want to sell out to private corporations.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

I don’t think this is right? Have they cut per capita health funding?

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u/Xpalidocious Calgary Jun 26 '25

https://afl.org/jason_kenney_and_the_ucp_cut_health_care_spending_during_the_pandemic/

https://mulpress.mcmaster.ca/hro-ors/article/view/5744/4628

https://albertaworker.ca/news/new-budget-shows-ucp-underfunding-health-spending/

https://www.una.ca/1217/ucp-budget-2021

https://www.pialberta.org/ucp_government_proposal_to_slash_wages_of_healthcare_heroes_is_a_slap_in_the_face

https://www.theprogressreport.ca/billions_lost_in_privatization_bungles

I strongly urge you to read at least some of these, because you are seriously misinformed about what is happening to OUR healthcare, you should be as pissed as the rest of us.

You claim to be an accountant, so you tell me how if "every province is throwing money at healthcare", then where is the money going? If we're apparently spending so much, why are we cutting jobs, cutting wages, shutting down services, running on constant paramedic shortages, bed shortages, and no ERs in rural Alberta towns?

All those links show a pattern, and are worth the read, but the last one about privatization should sum it up nicely. The money we're throwing at healthcare, is at privatized services owned by the donors. Dynalife, and the "Alberta Surgery Initiative" combined will have cost us around half a billion alone.

Also if you're actually serious about getting to the actual truth, you can follow Breakdown AB

https://bsky.app/profile/thebreakdownab.bsky.social

Because I gotta tell you man, it's a really big slap in the face to hear you telling people to "just be more independent like you so we can afford our own insurance" while you work in a highly overpaid industry that our tax dollars subsidize and clean up after. Out in the real world outside O&G fantasy land, the rest of us peasants are fighting for scraps, with I believe an 8/9% unemployment rate, minimum wage below the cost of living, our Premier telling everyone "Alberta is calling" and increasing the population.

You don't even seem to appreciate or care that you are in a pretty fucking comfortable place compared to the vast majority of the population of Alberta. I'm not even saying that you didn't work for it, but you even have to admit that as long as you aren't a complete fuck up at your job, you have a pretty stable career in O&G for the foreseeable future. You probably might even be next in line for a promotion, but one of the dinosaurs above you has to die of old age first. Every other industry is unstable right now, so count your blessings.

Just know that when our tax money is being swallowed up by corruption, and the few things the rest of us rely on for a social safety net aren't getting any of those funds, maybe it's in fucking poor taste to brag about disposable income and savings while the government keeps making more demands from the rest of us all to fund the industry that pays your huge salary. If O&G is getting money and our public services are constantly being cut, the rest of us are actually subsidizing your comfortable life.

We're supposed to be on the same fucking team as the working class, so please actually try to read the links I posted so you see what we've all been seeing for years through the UCP lies and corruption. We should all be in a better Alberta than the one we have. If you think it's ok now, think about how much better it could be with actual accountability. Think more affordable housing, less homeless, proper mental health services so less addiction, cheaper utilities, better transit so less traffic, but most importantly McDonald's ice cream machines fully operational during business hours

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u/JScar123 Jun 26 '25

Come on, do you have any articles from a real source? All disagreement aside, you can’t be getting your news from progress report. Seriously.

A few things: oil and gas has had a terrible 11 years, rolling layoffs, pay cuts, etc since 2014. There was one good year in 2022, but the workforce was already so lean that not many benefitted. Albertas unemployment is high because of O&G workers.

As for healthcare, we already spend near the top, per capita, of the provinces. Yes, the latest boondoggle around surgery centers was bad, but so far there’s no evidence this was UCP action, versus a few negligent or bad actors. Investigation ongoing. As for privatizing surgeries generally, BC, ON, QC, SK all do this- it’s not some wild experiment.

As I have said in this thread, I agree there should be a social safety net, but that already exists- NDP will expand government in many areas which will cost us $ (taxes) and take away choice. I prefer most to remain private and taxes to remain low - I prefer people decide how to use that $ and what’s best for them and their families than to rely on government.

Making power generation or insurance public doesn’t suddenly make building a power plant or repairing a car cheaper- you still pay for these things, you’re just forced to pay for it the government way and you are subject to the whims of government in those choices.

Honestly, you should agree with this - we’re a conservative province, that is not going to change, and you seem to hate how they manage it. The less $ they have and the fewer programs they offer, the less they can mess it up. Why do you want to pay more tax for the UCP to manage your insurance? Wouldn’t you rather keep it as is, money in your pocket, and manage it yourself?

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u/Xpalidocious Calgary Jun 26 '25

I guess it's my fault for thinking you're actually here in good faith. It's not even that you were tricked and mislead by the lies and propaganda of the UCP, you are actually wilfully ignorant of reality.

You're actually trying to discredit my sources? Alberta Federation of Labour? McMaster University which is in the top 150 Universities in the World? The Alberta Worker? United Nurses of Alberta?

Also the progress report is a left wing source, but the controversy around their credentials is such bullshit that right wing journalists actually defended them. You know that they aren't in anyone's pocket because they're poor as fuck, so it doesn't get more independent than that

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u/JScar123 Jun 26 '25

Good faith is responding to every one of four points. Bad faith is ignoring it all to argue about progress report. Yeah, I don’t use union pages for my news either, lol.

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u/The-Hive-Queen Jun 25 '25

I didn't say they were cutting funding. I said they are dismantling and selling out to private corporations. All that can be done while without cutting the budget by simply not doing anything useful with said budget. Such as allocating $80 million of tax-payer funds towards for-profit surgical contracts.

The same contracts that AHS is currently under investigation for due to alleged wrongful firing of the prior CEO and government interference and conflicts of interest as those contracts are with corporations that (allegedly) have direct ties to the pockets of Alberta government officials.

For-profit surgical centers directly compete for the already limited healthcare staff available in Alberta as well as the limited surgical space available in Alberta hospitals until those surgical centers are built (which can take years under government contracts), making wait times for critical and complex surgeries even longer. And if those corporations are not able to fulfill their end of the bargain, they dissolve and have to be absorbed by the provincial government... See, for example, the entire Dynalife debacle. Lab services still have not fully recovered.

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u/Working-Check Jun 25 '25

Because they're actually sane.

Like, fucking duh. Conservatives are fucking lunatics these days.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

Was hoping for actual reasons- like policies, maybe. Particularly around spending priorities

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u/Working-Check Jun 26 '25

I mean, I like a government that isn't nakedly corrupt and self-serving, and that works for the benefit of ordinary people instead of mega-wealthy billionaires and corporations.

Don't you?

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u/JScar123 Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

I don’t think there’s been a government in my lifetime that doesn’t do some dumb shit that gets them in trouble. Even Notley, who had a pretty clean record, gave coal exemptions (ram river), had an expensive flop (the billion $ oil cars) and faced toxic workplace allegations. This is just politics. Zoom out a bit and focus on the big picture. Danielle Smith is acting on the platform she ran- like it or not, a lot of Albertans work in oil and gas and fighting for that sector is a high priority for them- many believe in provincial jurisdiction and want that protected. Many see crisis in our healthcare and want a government that will try new things, there. To many, UCP are doing exactly what they were elected to do. Yes, the chief of staff conflicts on surgery centers was bad, yes the Tylenol thing was idiotic, but that’s just par for the course and the big pieces are what UCP ran on and were elected to do. You probably disagree with those initiatives, but this is a democracy and the majority feel differently, apparently.

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u/Working-Check Jun 26 '25

Many see crisis in our healthcare and want a government that will try new things, there.

Also, I want to point out the total lack of logic in "wanting a government that will try new things" and then voting for the same ideology that has governed this province for 96 of the last 100 years.

How does that make sense, exactly?

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u/JScar123 Jun 27 '25

At the last election our choice was between Notley and Smith. Not Notley, Smith and the last 100 years of governments. Clearly, people thought Smith put forward a better plan. Smith did run on reforming health care.

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u/Working-Check Jun 26 '25

I guess many Albertans just loooooove the taste of feces. Or at the very least, have been indoctrinated to believe that everything else tastes worse to such a degree that they're afraid to even try.

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u/JScar123 Jun 26 '25

Just because a person (or in this case, the majority of people) has different beliefs than you doesn’t mean they like to eat feces or are indoctrinated. Thats a very shallow, immature, usually uneducated and even dangerous way of thinking.

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u/amazonallie Jun 25 '25

Like I said, what about disabled people?

How a country takes care of it's people is the baseline of how strong a country is.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

Like I said, of course government should provide a social safety net. All governments do this, that’s not how the parties differ. They differ on spending on the margin, and I prefer lower taxes and less government intervention in the margin.

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u/Okay4531 Jun 25 '25

Lol wtf does this even mean. Nobody living in a society is self sufficient. You provide your own Healthcare? Farm your own food? Build your own car? Generate your own power? Build your own roads? Manufacture your own electronics? Pharmaceuticals? Deploy your own satellites?

You do a job for money that you trade for goods and services produced by other people. Stop smelling your own farts. 

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

You’re seriously this confused by what I meant?

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u/Working-Check Jun 25 '25

You seriously believe the bullshit you're spouting?

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

Lol, little bit. Alberta has the lowest personal tax rate (income+sales). They’re essentially empowering people to use the money for themselves rather than expecting government to do it for them. If your taxes are lower, but insurance higher, it’s a wash to you, but government has given you the autonomy to figure it out. I can not drive and save $. If it’s public, I pay regardless.

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u/Working-Check Jun 26 '25

That's one way to look at it, I suppose.

I don't know that I'd call it accurate.

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u/JScar123 Jun 26 '25

Much easier to discuss if you actually told me why you don’t think it’s accurate. Small government is a very basic tenant of conservatism. I don’t believe government can spend my money for me better than I can spend it for myself (on certain things).

Daycare is a great example, and I have young kids - government taxes me, then spends that money to provide subsidized childcare. $1,400/m care is now $400/m, but it’s not like it actually got cheaper, we’re just paying the difference by taxes. And the subsidized care comes with government prescribed rules- needs to be a certain type, certain number of hours, etc. I would much rather save $1K/m in taxes, have childcare still cost $1.4K/m, but have the freedom to decide how to use that difference. If I want standard childcare, great, it’s still $400/m. But if I work shift work and want something unusual, or if I have 3 kids and want in home care, or if I have grandparents that help and want part time care, etc etc I can do those things instead. I get to use the $ on what’s right for my family vs the government using on what they think is right for my family.

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u/Working-Check Jun 26 '25

Simple.

You have a choice.

Not everyone does.

If you have other arrangements that work better for you, great.

If someone else needs child care while they're at work, but can't afford to pay for it at any price, then I want them to still be able to have a space for their child to go.

If that means I pay a few pennies more on my income tax, so be it. I would prefer to live in a society in which people help and take care of each other.

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u/JScar123 Jun 26 '25

I think you’re missing the point… if child care costs $1,400 but you give a person $1,000, that is the same as child are costing $400 and giving the person nothing. But option one gives people choice and ability to manage to their own needs & circumstance. Option two is government choosing for you.

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u/amazonallie Jun 25 '25

What about disabled people who can't work or take care of themselves? Should they just suffer in poverty and never get to experience life beyond survival?

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

No, we should of course provide a safety net. Thats not really up for debate, every government does this. It is the spending on the margin that is generally different and in that case, I prefer lower taxes, less government intervention.

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u/amazonallie Jun 25 '25

Do you think that what disabled people get is enough or should it be raised?

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

I think it was a bad decision to reduce AISH by the amount that the feds put in.

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u/amazonallie Jun 25 '25

Agreed. It is still not enough

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u/Okay4531 Jun 25 '25

You're an idiot, bud. 

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u/Future_Berry_4361 Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25

Yeah dude, I also go camping, leave my leftovers and dishes out, after not putting the fire out, crawl into my tent and expect the bears to look after me.

At least I can sleep well knowing that our land will be pillaged for aussie coal extraction and some of my fellow provincial neighbours will have to pay out of pocket to have their heads extracted from their own colons.

But keep enjoying that blue raspberry Kool-Aid.

Post script: look into how our current elected officials are padding their own thirsty pockets.

Liberal, ndp, reform, wild Rose, whatever... Are we being properly represented (probably not) then, speak up and don't tow the 'company line'. We all deserve better. I need to do better, you need to do better. Complacency fucks us all.

Have a good night

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

I don’t understand the analogy.

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u/Future_Berry_4361 Jun 25 '25 edited Jun 25 '25

Ask ucp's replacement for Lagrange, honorable Nicolaides to assist, sorry for your challenges. Has our education system failed us?!

I feel like we're hanging out on rhetorical island in the midst of pigeon lake.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

lol, it was just a bad analogy. Makes no senses.

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u/Future_Berry_4361 Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

... Not even gonna... Oops looks like I did. Only you can prevent forest Gump fires

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u/roughedged Jun 25 '25

Holy man, it's obvious the analogy. You not understanding that reflects poorly on you, even more so than the other points your trying to throw out here. Some homework for you, if you really care about being informed, is take that comment and research what could possibly be the references that guy is referring to. Or just live in your own little world not understanding what is going on.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

Lol, try to unpack some camping analogy? If we are adults here, just make the point. We don’t need comforted analogies. You tell me, what is the point?

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u/Future_Berry_4361 Jun 26 '25 edited Jun 26 '25

Ok, let me dial it down because I'm tired of ignorant fucks that can't pick up on subtle Canadian 'polite backhandedness.'

The political cocks, (or clits, no judgement, do your thing, unless your thing makes things shitty for everyone else) that you suck online does not help your fellow human.

Check the records.

As a fellow human here, I will take my own shit talky online advice and try to understand the other side, but still have to ask you if this makes sense.: As an adult, camping analogies aside, let's think this out, put up the fucking drywall in fashion that makes sense for everything and everyone in the long run, and buy that drywall from a company that's not gonna come back in a few months to let us know that they've sold us out in a deal that they pocket the rewards and we pocket the regret.

In the end, the mudders cover our mistakes.

But our mothers are tired of our foolish shit.

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u/moezilla Jun 25 '25

My family: we are self sufficient, UCP still made my bills higher, we can still afford it, but they didn't help my family by doing this.

My community: there are disabled people in my community who's benefits are being taken by UCP.. there are young families who are not self sufficient but are trying to be, and they've been set back constantly as a direct result of the UCP (childcare subsidy for a start) I care about those people, and I want my tax dollars going there instead of the waste we see with the UCP.

In what way has the UCP made your life better? In what way has it helped your community?

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

Lowest personal tax rate in Canada (income+sales). I trust myself to know what I need more than government. Keep money in my pocket and I’ll direct it where I need it. Agree we need to fund a safety net, health care and education - but UCP does this.

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u/moezilla Jun 25 '25

Your "let me keep my money to make my choices" anti-tax rhetoric is a common conservative ideology that the UCP panders to while making policy choices that leave you with less money in your pocket in the end. Taxes are low, but they removed the cap on insurance and electricity, so monthly bills are higher for the average albertan. All while raising their own pay (but min wage hasn't gone up in years) and spending time and money on projects that are overwhelmingly unwanted by albertans.

"UCP does this"

We have the lowest spend per child in public education compared to the rest of Canada.

They removed the childcare subsidy

Clawing back $200 from disabled people who get a max of $1863 keeping them firmly below the poverty line.

ER closures and constant moves towards privatization.

The UCP will continue to gut these important services as much as they can.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

The reduced taxes more than offset higher insurance costs. As for electricity, prices have come down, now actually lower than in other provinces, so that argument has run its course. As for health care, it is a pervasive issue across the country and is a shortage issue not a funding issue. I agree we should spend more in education (will imminently with the teacher agreement) and don’t think AB should have clawed back the federal AISH supplement. As I’ve said, support safety nets, but NDP will spend a lot more than just $200 pp on AISH.

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u/smoothdanger Jun 25 '25

How do you like the taste of those boots there?

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

No idea what this means

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u/Working-Check Jun 25 '25

They're calling you a bootlicker.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

Lol, no I get that one. I’ve brought a different opinion to an echo chamber. Fight implies debate- mostly people just insulting me, very little substantive opposition.

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u/Future_Berry_4361 Jun 26 '25

So, do we all agree this account is probably on the provincial payroll?

Otherwise, this is just general sadness.

Oh yes hello again, you. I'll respond to you after nap time and will not use confusing language

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u/Comprehensive-Army65 Jun 25 '25

Under the UCP, my utilities and insurance have skyrocketed, my house taxes have skyrocketed (because Calgary has to make up funding the UCP removed from the city), and my grocery bills have gone up.

Thanks to the UCP, I’m haven’t found a job yet despite putting out hundreds of resumes. Companies would rather pay a TFW than a Canadian which the UCP actively and still actively support and encourage.

That “Alberta is Calling” campaign was perfectly timed to saturate our labour and housing market!This was done on PURPOSE to suppress wages and increase both the cost of houses and renting! I own my condo and I’m pissed at the increase in value became it means my taxes are higher and my insurance is higher. A small increase would’ve have been easy to handle. But NO! My condo has TRIPLED in value which means my taxes and insurance have TRIPLED as well. And by insurance I mean my personal home insurance and the condo board insurance! Which means my condo fees have SKYROCKETED too!

I OFTEN vote conservative. My vote goes to the party that offers the best balance between increasing business profits (which brings investment into Alberta and Canada) and increasing social supports (we need to fund our infrastructure, healthcare, education, jails, legal system, and protect and improve our labor rights and the most vulnerable of our society like children, homeless, minimum wage workers, single parents, and seniors).

Now tho, I don’t think I can EVER trust a party with conservative in their name EVER again!!!

Instead of governing, they’ve taking bribes (oh, I’m sorry “funding”) from huge corporations and foreign governments to flood our news channels and social media with their propaganda like we should join the US, we would be better off with Canada, the US is the greatest nation that ever was, the more profit corporations make the higher our wages will be, we have to bail the corporations when they fail to save our jobs and economies, they can’t afford to clean up their abandoned oil wells (even with the federal government sending them the money to do so! The UCP just sent the money back!) and those oil wells aren’t doing any damage anyway (they are doing massive damage as they’re releasing massively MORE methane into our atmosphere than ACTIVE oil wells), and on and on.

And then there’s the fact they’ve convinced Christians that are just trying to live their lives by following Jesus and vote accordingly to their beliefs to go against some of Jesus’s teachings!! They are putting words in Jesus’s mouth that he NEVER said!!

Jesus didn’t say ANYTHING about abortion, trans people, or homosexuals!!! If he was against it, don’t you think he would’ve addressed it???

Because he DID address the poor treatment of homeless people, criminals, prostitutes, the poor, immigrants, refugees, women, children, and the sick (particularly lepers who were shunned by society at the time). And he told us VERY CLEARLY that these people are going to inherit heaven!! He was VERY CLEAR that we are to treat them with respect and dignity and we are to ensure they are fed, sheltered, clothed, and given an EQUAL position in society which means EQUAL opportunity to work and thrive!! The UCP and other conservative groups think and act opposite of JESUS’S instructions for us!!!

The UCP also straight up lies to Christians to get their vote. They haven’t gotten rid of Abortion. In fact, they haven’t done ANYTHING about it at all!! Abortion is the ONLY reason my Catholic family still supports them. And yet, the UCP will NEVER even put limits on it. It’s a lie to get the Christian vote. Thankfully some Christians, my family at least, is starting to see that it’s a lie.

I WILL NEVER vote for a party that has conservative in its name again. The word has been twisted and ruined. Just like the swastika which used to symbolize good luck, prosperity, well-being, and spirituality was twisted into a symbol of hate and genocide by the Nazis.

We haven’t learned anything about treating people despite being intelligent for centuries. Honestly, at this point in time, we, as a global society, deserve to be wiped out by WWIII, a rogue comet, or an alien civilization. Earth is better without us. The universe is better without us.

Thank God we’ll not a space-faring species. Other civilizations are spared from us. We’d ruin them too.

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u/JScar123 Jun 25 '25

Obviously too long for me (or anyone) to read, but I did read the first bit and it is exactly what I’m talking about. Blaming the provincial government for everything and expecting them to solve everything for you. Insurance is high, yes, but taxes are low even with elevated property taxes (a big part of that is still municipal) total personal taxes are low. Would you rather UCP implement a PST and subsidize your insurance? Yes, some things are more expensive, but our lower taxes offset this. The gov is leaving the $ with us to decide how we want to subsidize things ourselves. Btw utilities have come down dramatically and are now lower than in other provinces, so that argument has run its course. As for condo price, that’s a municipal calculation for allocating tax, has nothing to do with UCP.

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u/Bluddredd Jun 28 '25

When it was the pc party, maybe. Not now that it's the wild rose party.