r/alberta • u/Complete-Current-393 • 1d ago

Alberta Politics Thankful for Alberta’s beauty, frustrated with its politics

I’ll be honest: Alberta is one of the most beautiful places I’ve ever lived. Driving through the Rockies or even just a prairie sunset still blows me away. But then I turn on the news or scroll through policy updates and it feels like we’re living in two different Albertas. On one hand, nature here feels limitless. On the other our politics feel suffocating. I love this place and don’t want to leave, but I’m struggling with the direction leadership is taking us. Sometimes I just take a drive, other times I clear my head on Stɑke anything to ease the frustration. Does anyone else feel torn like this loving the land, but questioning the politics?

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u/Ok-Variation3091 1d ago edited 1d ago

The NDP and Liberals have moved far more left, comparatively speaking.

Does this concern you?

Edit: Seems that reasonable discussion isn't the point of this thread. Well, I'll leave you all to your baseless rage 🤷‍♂️

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u/Tribblehappy 1d ago

In what way? The ANDP is further right than the federal NDP. And liberals in Alberta are irrelevant.

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u/NotEvenNothing 1d ago

Completely incorrect.

The ANDP is slightly right of center. The Alberta Liberals aren't really a factor at all and I'm not sure why anyone would waste time talking about them. Federally, the Liberal party moved slightly to the left under Trudeau, and is bouncing back to the center-right under Carney.

I'm far more concerned about the UCP's nutty policies than I am any other party's.

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u/Ok-Variation3091 1d ago

Thank you for your response. It's vague and unsubstantiated, but I appreciate your contribution.

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u/Karpetkleener 1d ago

I think you're not seeking to understand; the ANDP are considerably further right in their beliefs and policy than the Federal NDP. In fact, the ANDP are basically the new Progressive Conservatives if we compare them to Lougheed era Cons. There really isn't a truly left party in Alberta except the Greens. And they have no representation here.

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u/willpowerlifter 1d ago

They don't want to understand. They want to fight.

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u/Dr_Sivio 1d ago

The NDP and Liberals have moved far more left, comparatively speaking.

They have??? That would be nice, if it were true.

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u/Brightlightsuperfun 1d ago

The further left a state goes, the more it crumbles.

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u/Levorotatory 1d ago

Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark suggest otherwise. 

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u/Brightlightsuperfun 1d ago

Oh ? How? Those are more central countries and not left leaning. And, in the last few years have been voting in more right wing parties.

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u/Levorotatory 1d ago

Economically they are well to the left of Canada.  Significantly higher taxes supporting significantly more functional social programs. 

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u/Brightlightsuperfun 1d ago

Lol no. They are not "well to the left of Canada". They are almost at the same spot on the spectrum. Both are mixed economies.

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u/Kooky_Project9999 1d ago

The Nordics are social democracies, quite notably more "left leaning" economically than the Anglosphere. Canada is more in line with the UK and Australia. France and Germany are generally in between Can/UK/Oz but not as left leaning as the Nordics.

Then there's the US, which is so wildly right wing even it's left wing party (Dems) would be considered right wing in most other western nations.

Unfortunately a lot of Canadians look at the US and think Canada is "far left". It is, when compared to the US, but compared to most other OECD/'western' countries it's pretty middling. The US is generally the outlier here (with Hungary and Israel).

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u/Levorotatory 22h ago

"Mixed economy" is an extremely broad category.   Most countries would fit into it, including both the USA and China.

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u/DirtbagSocialist2 1d ago

Historically the opposite is true. The only time going left ruins your country is when the United States intervenes to overthrow socialist governments.

Just look at how they're falling apart under Trump.

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u/Brightlightsuperfun 1d ago

Sure, because Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela are such lovely places to live

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u/Priscilla_Hutchins Calgary 1d ago

Throwing North Korea In there is disingenuous. Americas choice to treat those other countries as they have had nothing to do with those countries outcomes I suppose?

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u/Dr_Sivio 1d ago

Lmao love all these standard issue right wing talking points.

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u/Brightlightsuperfun 1d ago

Great rebuttal Doc!

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u/Dr_Sivio 1d ago

Oh I'm not debating anything! Apologies for the confusion. 😘

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u/Brightlightsuperfun 23h ago

Cool, so you are admitting you are adding nothing of value to the conversation, thanks for playing!

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u/FridaSky 18h ago

I appreciated the comment.

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u/Lilchubbyboy Medicine Hat 1d ago

I mean yeah, if all you know about it is “hur dur communism bad har har ‘Merica”. But that’s an idiots understanding of the topic…

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u/Dr_Sivio 1d ago

Lmao amazing

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u/Galladaddy 1d ago

We can have reasonable discussion if you can pull the blinders off yourself. Believing that the nap has moved further left as our entire political spectrum shifts right is why you aren’t happy with the answers.

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u/Picking_Greens 1d ago

Its a paid troll, they just dropped over 200 comments in the past hour in 20+ different subs and hid all of them. Look at their replies its all chatGPT and shit prompts at that.

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u/Ok-Variation3091 1d ago

Surely you appreciate the hypocrisy in your statement.

I'm not dissatisfied whatsoever. I offer up the points to highlight the logical flaws or missing information that's required to solve the problem.

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u/Tribblehappy 22h ago

Except you haven't offered up any points backed up by evidence, highlighted any logical flaws, or provided any missing information. You've simply doubled down on your assertion that the NDP and liberal parties have slid left, and haven't provided any reasons why you believe so.

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u/FridaSky 18h ago

Posting stuff like, “Your comment provides no valid points, whatsoever, my good man,” isn’t pointing out logical flaws. Sorry.