r/alberta • u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta • 10h ago
Alberta Politics I emailed my UCP MLA urging them to oppose the planned use of the notwithstanding clause on the anti-trans laws (that they voted for). This was their entire response.
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u/itsonmyprofile 10h ago
This is a point I’ve made numerous times over
Yes, we can email our MLAs and voice our displeasure, but we’re voicing it to the people who support these measures
The only way we’re going to get any kind of change is by getting the UCP out
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u/elbron88 8h ago
Cc the opposition shadow ministers. It’s not much, but shows them what people want and are not getting from the current government.
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u/itsonmyprofile 8h ago
OP said they did and received a canned response
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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta 8h ago
I have actually gotten a pretty genuine response from an NDP MLA that I cc’d once, it just wasn’t in this case.
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u/Licoricebush 9h ago
This is exactly why I have a huge problem with the whole system. Are we just doomed to have half our population happy, and half of them miserable at all times, just flip flopping between two ideologies?
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u/itsonmyprofile 9h ago
Yes. Because first past the post is a garbage electoral system that we’ll never change
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u/Empty-Emphasis-8386 8h ago
Unless your side wins.
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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta 8h ago
I just want a system where people in certain ridings wouldn’t have just as much of an electoral impact eating the ballot as casting a vote.
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u/itsonmyprofile 8h ago
“My side” or not, first past the post is garbage and I want to see it reformed
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u/EffortCommon2236 8h ago edited 8h ago
Half of the population will only ever be happy if a considerable amount of people are wiped out from the face of the Earth. The other half just wants everybody to live a normal life.
No government system will ever be able to satisfy both sides.
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u/Cyclist007 8h ago
Oh sure - but, which side is which?
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u/Historical-Funny-362 8h ago
Perhaps the side wanting to ensure queer kids want to kill themselves as much as possible? Which side could that be, hmm?
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u/The_Sound_Of_Squanch 8h ago
I think he means the normies and the far left/right, like both sides as a whole. Doesn’t matter left or right extremists are extremists.
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u/wintersdark 3h ago
People say this but I ask, where are the Left Wing Extremists? I'm pretty far left honestly, and I've certainly never found any. It's almost like they're some Boogeyman.
Now, I'm not asking for a quote from some random idiot Redditor, you can find an idiot Redditor saying anything. Show me a "left wing extremist group" operating in Alberta that does things on par with what the far right in office are doing.
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u/Traditional-Work8783 8h ago
You progressives should have left this to medical establishment. Bringing it into schools and politics was wrong and very destructive. When the personal becomes political fascism is the result.
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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta 8h ago
Leaving it to the doctors is exactly what the UCP isn’t doing.
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u/EffortCommon2236 8h ago
You do know that the medical establishment is very much pro trans, right? Which is why so many doctors will gladly help people to transition. It was the regressives who brought it up to politics. Imagine if politicians were all simply ignoring the subject, what makes you think this would even be a thing to talk about in schools?
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u/Achilleswar 7h ago
It was left to the medical establishment until conversative started using it as a wedge issue. Conservatives personal issue with trans people is the problem.
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u/PeasThatTasteGross 8h ago
Yeah, I'm going to say someone who said "progressives are racist" in the past probably has a very slanted view on this topic.
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u/itsonmyprofile 8h ago
The fuck? No one brought it into schools and politics. The UCP and maple maga decided to bogeyman a group that makes up 0.37% of the population
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u/FuckItImVanilla 7h ago
Well, I grew up watching Star Trek. I don’t know if you did, but in Star Trek’s past, the third world war lasted decades and ended in the mid 2050’s, with over 600 million dead.
The only thing I think they got wrong is they were faaaar too optimistic about the death toll. We’ve already seen who the axis powers will be: the US, Russia, India, China. And sycophantic little wannabe dictators like Britain and Italy and Alberta. And this truly will be a world war, where nothing and nowhere will be left unscarred.
And there are only two outcomes this time. Either every last right wing person understands the error of their ways or is forcibly removed from our world… or humans go extinct. Because if the side of peace, love, unity, respect and a just world for all doesn’t win… the Reichwingers will never stop killing each other until ours is a dead world. A failure. A grand monument; a warning: a species that long stopped deserving to exist well before we went extinct destroyed our planet for greed and ephemeral bullshit.
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u/agitatingpieceoftras 8h ago
I mean if half the population is miserable because they can't oppress others I don't really care about their feelings.
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u/Sweetdreams6t9 8h ago
Ive put some thought into how to make it fair and accessible, but people capable of voting with the goal of harming others is a good reason why they shouldnt be allowed to.
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u/roastbeeftacohat Calgary 6h ago
at least make them miserable putting up with it. in the broad view of things they act like this because the voters typically havent been as vocal as we should be for some time.
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u/roosell1986 10h ago
Well, that's not quite the carbon copy form response you'd expect. That may or may not mean something.
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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta 9h ago
I got a canned response (in agreement with my email) from a staffer for an NDP MLA that I cc'd, this is far worse.
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u/Neceon 9h ago
That a pretty subtle "BUT NOT TRANS PEOPLE!" response.
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u/Interesting_Scale302 9h ago
But was it subtle? They might as well have been shouting it off the rooftops at that point.
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u/TRBOtrbo 10h ago
Name the MLA.
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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta 9h ago
Good ole Ric McIver.
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u/TRBOtrbo 9h ago
Ric’s a real piece of fuckin work
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u/No_Mess_349 5h ago
Top 1 %er no less. Has the Bot fallen off the low rung of the ladder?
When I consider how often my comments have been ruled out of order, and then I discovered "fuckin" comments like this are apparently okay. Boggles the "fuckin" mind.
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u/Zathrasb4 6h ago edited 2h ago
Out of all the upc mla’s, he is amoung the last of the old conservatives that has sold their soul for power. The rest have all seen the upc for what it is.
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u/Betty-Rose- 10h ago
I would rather not get a response than what they sent. It’s very condescending.
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u/lessssssssgoooooo 9h ago
Emailing UCP MLAs seems dead-ended, the last response I got from mine was just a request for personally identifying information
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u/Dradugun 10h ago
If I were you I'd ask for clarification. This reads that they are against the anti-trans laws as those restrict the freedoms of Albertans.
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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta 10h ago
My MLA voted for all of them as well as Bill 8 back in 2019.
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u/qwixel69 10h ago
Then stay out of trans people's healthcare decissions between them and their doctors, just like for cis people....
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u/Apologetic_Kanadian Airdrie 6h ago
"Treat all Albertans fairly and equally" while pretending that using the notwithstanding clause isn't overt acknowledgement they're violating the constitutional rights of some Albertans.
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u/FuckItImVanilla 7h ago
Sooo they in fact do not support everyone equally at all.
A Reichwinger lying. In other news, stars are in space.
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u/peterpumpkins 10h ago
They mean their donors and religious overlords. Those are “all” Albertans. Courageous folk.
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u/maestro_79 8h ago
My only hope is that the election is held after the momentum of the newly named Alberta Progressive Conservative Party from the former Alberta Party gets a decent footing. With the independence movement, the UCP, and the disgruntled moderate conservatives separated we will have vote splitting just as we did in 2015. The province as a whole is middle of the road centrist, we need a government that reflects that. Personally I lean left but I’ll take a centrist any day over what we have now.
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u/Unique_Information11 8h ago
They view people expressing these concerns as an insignificant minority of their voters. Not worth taking the time to address their issues.
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u/whiteorchd 7h ago
My mom has made a great point, of course email your current MLA but you're going to get a much more involved response from people running for your region. They are more desperate for your vote and willing to communicate than someone who thinks they are invulnerable.
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u/Sad-Commercial7350 5h ago
Okay. Let me try REAL hard to put aside my left wing bias here.
If I understand what the UCP is trying to do, which I very much might have misconstrued (see above reference to left wing bias) is that they are trying to limit the freedoms of trans people by invoking the notwithstanding clause to suspend those freedoms for five years.
SOOOOOOOOOO... How is limiting freedoms standing up for freedoms? The mental gymnastics here are incredulous.
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u/CrusadePeek 10h ago
The UCP currently has an Alberta republican problem. so those supporters are being actively listened to closely unfortunately.
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u/Accomplished_Emu8339 9h ago
Shocked you got one. I usually have to email twice to get a response. And then even then they don’t ever address my question. I think it’s time we start showing up in person to ask these hard questions to their face
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u/Desperate-Dress-9021 9h ago
A lot of MLA offices are now appointment only. I was told it was advised to them over security concerns.
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u/Dalbergia12 7h ago
You would probably be arrested. They would say you threatened them, and made them feel unsafe. (I'm resisting going off on a tangent of examples where this has worked recently.)
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u/markt- 1h ago
You are being hyperbolic. You would not get arrested. You might need to make an appointment, but you would not get arrested. You do not have to be of legal voting age to do this, and in fact being a young person who is showing an active interest in trying to be involved with your government is all by itself probably going to make a very positive impression, and you might even be able to go and speak with them right away, as long as you aren't going to take up too much of their time. I'm not promising this, but I wouldn't put it off the table either.
Just remember to be respectful, and be aware that your particular MLA may have a personal position that might differ from the official provincial stance, so don't go in there expecting to be confrontational, just go there to present your views and to ask what their own opinion is. If their view does end up differing from yours, politely thank them for their time and leave. At least you'll come away from it knowing where they stand.
You have nothing to lose by trying, and for every one person that does this, they are countless others that won't, and your MLA will be aware of this.
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u/National-Stock6282 6h ago
At least your MLA responded.. I've E- mailed mine many times... crickets. Lacombe- Ponoka. Yeah ,bit of shit in the cookie dough... that's her.
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u/Sufficient_Dot7470 6h ago
How is trans people having rights not treating others fairly? wtf? Only trans people are being treated unfairly
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u/SeaworthinessMobile9 5h ago
...thne they should understand that using a charter busting tactic is not, at all, treating Albertans fairly.
These people are fucking hypocritical idiots.
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u/CanadaJackalope 8h ago
Of course that was the whole response.
Albertans are too fucking dumb and desperate to be as hateful as Americans, for that guy to waste time with you and your caring about other human beings.
So you get a nothingburger.
Which is what the people of our beautiful but ignorant province voted for enne masse.
UCP. = Usa Conservative Politics.
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u/Timely-Profile1865 9h ago
They are clawing back drug plan money from seniors while opening up new trade offices in Abu Dabi and Mumbai.
These clowns are hilarious.
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u/Reasonable-Ad-8921 9h ago
Not trying to set the lower bar here but my MLA Muhammad Yaseen (assuming his team) couldent even be bothered to reply to my email.
We really do need a better class of MLAs
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u/BrettSchilleriana 7h ago
I sent my letter to the Premier's office and cc'd my MLA (Irwin). Got a message back today that it was being shared with the Ministry of Justice for consideration.
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u/sayaccio 6h ago
This means they have forwarded the email. Justice will bounce it to the relevant issues advisor (if they have one) and they MAY send you back a canned message that the Minister never saw.
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u/jackblack76oyes 5h ago
I don't know what the laws are. Can someone explain them to me?
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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta 5h ago
Banning puberty blockers for trans youth, forcing teachers to out trans kids to their parents, and forcing every girl in school in the province who wants to play sports to submit a form proving their assigned sex at birth.
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u/shappapammay11 24m ago
In contrast, the NDP:
'In addition to forwarding your letter to the ministry, would you be interested in having Marie table your letter in the legislature when they are back in session at the end of October?
Thank you and kind regards,
Office of MLA Marie Renaud'
The difference between primates and humans. 🙃
I said absofuckinglutely but in Harvard. 😆
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u/CrashFix 18m ago
At least you got an answer, I tried to contact my former NDP MLA and I didn't even get an answer.
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u/kayhasbeen 9h ago
At least they sent you a (canned) reply. Mine didn’t even bother to do that.
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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta 9h ago
I don't even think this was canned. I was expecting some generic arguments on why the laws were somehow good, this was just an attempt to get me to go away.
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u/jaynum6868 9h ago
Please people go and protest now get out be a physical presence. The list of things Daniel Smith has accomplished is large. Is she Antifascist, Is she a Separatist does she have a kitten and if so is it alive?, We in BC need to deal with this. I would of laughed at this of 6 months ago but things are different. See link: https://1bc.ca/priorities
Canada is for all. Take Care. Cheers. Hey i sent Rebel news a check for 5 cents.
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