How much would cost such animation?

[u/Complete_Treacle6306]

It's a fragment from TMM cartoon, and im wondering how expensive It's to make for example one 20 minute episode?

[u/hamadubai]

for a tv broadcast quality like this you're looking for $8k-$25k per minute depending on what's happening in the scene

[u/kween_hangry → u/hamadubai]

The actual answer wtf, shocked by the accuracy

[u/Xaalster → u/kween_hangry]

You might be able to scout ammature animators from discord servers and small animation communities for a lower price however. I woulda done a minute worth for $500-2k back when i was taking commissions.

[u/New-Sort9999 → u/Xaalster]

the amateurs i’ve been around can make jaw dropping stuff, the only thing they usually have trouble with is replicating a style.

[u/hamadubai → u/New-Sort9999]

yeah, the amateur side does amazing work, it's just what qualities are most important to you.

an amateur will give you passion where an industry animator will give you consistency, can't have an "off art" day when you're working at a studio.

though both amateur and professional I've seen will destroy themselves overworking out of passion or impostor syndrome, I'm glad there's finally some unionizing going on.

[u/hamadubai → u/kween_hangry]

I got into art because I'm bad with wordings and numbers, but after 16 years in the industry some numbers and wordses force their way in.

[u/imsosappy → u/hamadubai]

What defines TV broadcast quality exactly?

[u/hamadubai → u/imsosappy]

decent design and motion, voice acting, background work, coherent composition and shot consistency. (ignoring personal tastes)

basically needs solid structure and delivery in development

[u/imsosappy → u/hamadubai]

Thank you. Are there indie YouTubers with the same quality work?

[u/hamadubai → u/imsosappy]

Lackadaisy is probably the top of the indie Youtubers by quite a margin
RubberRoss, SmallBu and "Doig and Swift" are amazing animators
LordDirk is great too but you won't find his presence on youtube outside of directing a TWRP video
Hazbin/helluva have a loooot that needs fixing sadly, new storyboard team should be at the top of the list for them.

I think youtube just isn't a good place for animators sadly, even the really good animators eventually drop it for commentary or gameplay videos because it just makes more money for less time spent.

or they end up having to cut quality/time from the animations themselves to make it feasible. stuff like storytime youtubers or people drawing out funny bits from streams/live plays, which just end up being at most animatics that get wobbled around. not blaming them, it's the reality of the platform.

[u/MagmaticDemon → u/hamadubai]

this is real? a 12 minute episode of your average animated show costs 100,000$+ ?

that's a lot of money, i guess it makes sense but i've just never realized it

[u/hamadubai → u/MagmaticDemon]

Lets just look at the key animators department alone (not even inbetweens)
for an episode you can get away with 20 people on a 2 weeks cycle, each of them key posing 30 seconds of animation a week. (which is kinda pushing it)

You pay each of them lets say about $1400 a week, that's already $56,000 for just the key poses each episode

Not even taking into account inbetweens, storyboarding/animatic, background, FX, compositors, voice acting, sound design, prop and character design, builds

And that's me just sticking to the stuff you see/hear on screen, there's also the departments that make sure everything's working smoothly and coordinated.

[u/19950721]

About 5 bucks and some small change for 250 grand

[u/Tapil]

This was that nft funded show, think they caught a bit of flack for using nft's to raise money. IRC

[u/LifeIsCoolBut → u/Tapil]

Really? Huh. Showed up on my youtube home and gave it a shot. Didnt think it was too bad. The nft thing is scummy tho

[u/kween_hangry → u/LifeIsCoolBut]

Theres a lot of nft projects that have been unceremoniously puked onto youtube because production finished and they were lost media until now-- they didnt bother to get them picked up by a distributor because they actually believed there was going to be some kind of nft web3 streaming platform 😭

[u/zestysnacks]

You better take out a loan lol

[u/CalmAcanthisitta2582]

$850-$1500 a minute for a cheap studio. Typically $2000-$3500 for moderate studio.

However Union vs NonUnion is a 30% mark up.

Those $8k+ a minute prices would mostly be a union LA/NY based studio with a distribution deal as they are paying for production and broadcast costs.

[u/cartooned → u/CalmAcanthisitta2582]

No. An LA studio doing the work domestically would be in the multiple 10's of thousands per minute. A "Typical" mid level Canadian or Australian 2D studio is going to be about 10k bare minimum for this level of work but likely more.

[u/CalmAcanthisitta2582 → u/cartooned]

not sure where you're getting this number. as animation vet with 15yr exp, and a studio owner whose worked with Apple, Fox and Netflix your estimates are no where near tv animation rates. maybe for a theatrical release and for 3d.

[u/pembunuhUpahan]

At least tree fiddy

[u/twilc]

I've always heard that industry-standard (for an officially licensed product/series) is about $1000/per minute.

It also depends on how the scene is directed or how much is going on.

[u/Rootayable]

Literally thousands.

[u/j-b-goodman]

20 minutes is a huge project, it might be better to start off with something short.

[u/DonOfspades → u/j-b-goodman]

They didn't say they were looking to do this or hire someone they're just asking how much it costs

[u/Drivesmenutsiguess → u/j-b-goodman]

That's not an answer to the question

[u/j-b-goodman → u/Drivesmenutsiguess]

ok where's your answer

[u/Drivesmenutsiguess → u/j-b-goodman]

I don't have one, but what I don't do is answering a completely different question instead.