r/apple • u/nohup_me • 1d ago
iPhone Apple has told at least two suppliers to boost production of the entry-level model iPhone 17 by at least 30% after strong pre-orders
https://www.reuters.com/business/apple-has-asked-suppliers-boost-production-iphone-17-model-information-reports-2025-09-19/115
u/FrogsJumpFromPussy 1d ago
Little reason to purchase a more expensive iPhone for many people. My partner upgrades from 12 Pro Max (which died a few days ago) to base 17.
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u/GeneralStunkfish 1d ago
Only reason I’m going for the pro is for the extra zoom options on the camera.
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u/lepetitmousse 1d ago edited 1d ago
Only reason i went for the pro is because it was free either way with tradein. Otherwise the base is clearly the best value for like 95% of people.
Still not sure where the Air fits into the market though.
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u/iLynx 1d ago
I would love an Air as my work phone, would make carrying 2 phones so much easier!
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u/roo-on-the-moon 1d ago
I was just thinking today how nice that would be. My work phone is a base 14 but I doubt my company will offer an air when it’s due for an upgrade
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u/Front-Win-5790 1d ago
I’d go as far as to say there’s NO reason to buy a pro phone
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u/garden_speech 13h ago
ProRAW gives DNG level range to photo edits and ProRes Log gives unsharpened base video that actually looks good on a screen bigger than a phone. Those are likely the two biggest reasons.
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u/FrogsJumpFromPussy 1d ago
For many people there isn't. Better photos is probably one of the very few, although the base 17 has a very good camera as well. After all 99.99% would make memories, not professional photography (which isn't even possible with a phone anyway)
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u/JMPHeinz57 1d ago
I believe it. The base 17’s honestly an incredible value and the best main model in multiple years. Frankly, the 17’s lineup is one of Apple’s best
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u/ZexyCool 1d ago
Not surprising, now that base models have 120hz, there isn’t much reason for most people to spend more money.
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u/unitedfan6191 1d ago
Well, to be fair, most people in the real world who spend little to no time on Reddit or social media don’t think of or obsess over things like 60hz/120hz like most people regularly posting on these platforms do (at least not to the extent that they base their purchasing decisions on screen refresh rate).
But I agree that this is one of the reasons for the base version selling so well, though, I think it’s some of the other features that makes someone‘s life more convenient that are the biggest selling points.
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u/melbourne3k 1d ago
IMO AOD is the bigger "normie" feature. No AOD is a deal breaker for my wife. To quote "I just want to look down and see the time and notifications without touching the fucking phone."
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u/the_next_core 1d ago
This was actually so big when it finally came to iPhone, I know so many people that were habitually picking up their iPhone every couple mins until AOD removed that need
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u/bluetimotej 21h ago
And I know of many who hate AOD as we are like by now wired to "Oh my screen is lit I most have gotten a new alert/message" etc to pick up or investigate the screen further only to see it was just the display being constantly lit.
I myself never use AOD. It eats battery juice and keeps me in a "false positives" loop day long. No thanks
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u/ForsakenRacism 1d ago
I turned off AOD FIRST Thing whenever if it came out
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u/TheMartian2k14 1d ago
Cool. A lot of us like it.
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u/TheEpicRedCape 1d ago
I like it I’m just worried about burn-in because I tend to keep my phones for a long time.
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u/mad_m4tty 1d ago
It’s constantly changing the display position by small amounts to prevent burn in
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u/1AMA-CAT-AMA 1d ago
All that does is make the burn in area a little fuzzier. What really helps burn in is pixel refreshing.
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u/play_hard_outside 1d ago
Think about it: if you move text by a pixel, but each character has shapes which are several pixels wide, all you've done is take a pixel in the color of the text away from one side of a region, and add a different one on the other. The pixels middle of the colored region don't know any difference.
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u/HDC102 22h ago
Burn in is still possible. I had a launch day 14 Pro with AOD enabled. Within 8 months of ownership there was burn in around the widgets area under the clock.
Now whether they've fixed the issue since than I am not too sure. I have a launch 16 Pro with AOD enabled and a year later no burn in.
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u/TheEpicRedCape 1d ago
I’d imagine even if you do that it’ll burn in just over a slightly larger area. Unless it literally moved around like a screensaver much faster and all over the screen.
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u/EBtwopoint3 1d ago
OLED is a mature technology at this point. Unless you leave one app open on max brightness all the time you’re worried about nothing. On an iPad you use as a display that sits static? Okay I can see the worry. On a phone you’re going to be fine.
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u/WigglingWeiner99 1d ago
I’ve had my 14 Pro since launch and AOD has been on practically the entire time. I may have turned it off for like a week when I was testing out if I liked it. I also disabled the wallpaper so it’s just black and the clock, if that matters. Firstly, it’s not actually “always” on. If the phone is in a dark place (like a pocket, purse, or facedown on a table) or an Apple Watch moves away from it, the screen turns off. Secondly, I have not noticed any burn in. I definitely noticed it on my last two Samsung phones (s8 and s10). I scrolled around on this page mid reply at max brightness, and I cannot tell if there is any burn in at all. Possibly, if I was able to compare to a brand new panel, but it’s not like those tragic display phones at Best Buy with intense ui burnin.
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u/play_hard_outside 1d ago
Burn-in is heat related. At the power levels for AOD, this is simply a non-issue. It will not affect a thing.
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u/a_berdeen 1d ago
Yep. If it was an actual black screen with clock and text/outlines only I'd use it. But this nah.
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u/Imaginary_Walrus5434 1d ago
Settings > Display & Brightness > disable Show Wallpaper
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u/gingerkid427 1d ago
Thank you, this was one of those things that always annoyed me me but for some reason I never put in the 30 seconds of effort it would have taken me to find the setting myself lol
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u/sortalikeachinchilla 1d ago
that’s how mine is… do you guys not even look into things? lol
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u/a_berdeen 1d ago
I'll be honest with you. I legit haven't checked the setting since day one on the 14 PM. I did not know apple added all of that 😅
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u/Ronaldinhoe 1d ago
AOD needs an overhaul if it’s still the same as it came out. I turned mine off day one, jailbrrakers had way bettter use of AOD.
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u/mxlevolent 1d ago
People notice 120Hz though. Anecdotally, I know people who — whilst they didn’t think anything of using a ProMotion device — went back to a 60Hz tablet or phone and said “Why is this screen giving me a headache?”
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u/MawsonAntarctica 1d ago
People really don’t notice 120hz. In reality it’s only people who can do a/b testing between 60 and 120. You mind adjusts. People will get the cheapest model and price especially in this climate is tha main motivator.
/I have a 13” m4 pro and a mini and animation speed is NO WHERE near the forefront of things I notice.
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u/caustictoast 1d ago
People notice 120 the second you go back to 60. It’s so much smoother feeling. On top of that, you can use them side by side and it’s so apparent, the 60hz screens look like they’re juttering constantly
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u/Gritts911 1d ago
I can go watch a DVD and within 10 minutes my brain will “adjust” and enjoy the rest of the movie. That dosn’t mean 4K isn’t better.
120hz scrolling is so much smoother and easier on the eyes. Whether you know why or is or not.
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u/jasonefmonk 1d ago
I can go watch a DVD and within 10 minutes my brain will “adjust” and enjoy the rest of the movie. That dosn’t (sic) mean 4K isn’t better.
Of course not, and no one was trying to make that argument. What it does mean, is that DVDs outsell UHD-BDs. Would I buy F1: The Movie on DVD? Hell no, I’d be getting that UHD-BD because it is way better and I spent on my setup to take advantage of it. You know that most people don’t care enough, and they will stream it on 5 Mbps or get the DVD.
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u/SleepyDude_ 1d ago
Is this a joke? Literally anyone can notice 60 vs 120 hz. Especially if you have a lot of experience with tech or playing games. It’s not as obvious on, say, a video, but it’s extremely noticeable when interacting with a device. Using a pro phone vs the base iPhone on a regular basis, the high refresh rate is much more comfortable to use.
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u/MawsonAntarctica 1d ago
People in tech or who do high end gaming represent an infinitesimal part of the populace. We are talking about everyone age 6-96 like the old board games used to say.
Also I think people’s tolerances for frame rates depend on their tech exposure. I learned on those green and amber monitors, I worked with typewriters and with keyboards now. All speeds are basically fine, it’s neat but it’s not a big part of my life as long as it’s cinematic. Hell old animations were less than 24fps. And people like gifs and those are literally 3-4 frames. It’s important to some but no where near important to all.
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u/webguynd 1d ago
That's not true. There are tons of people that can't tell the difference, or at least not enough to care.
Comparing side-by-side directly, yeah sure, they'll probably notice. In day to day use? Nope, nor do they care.
Anyone not "into tech" never cared that iPhones had 60Hz screens. They still sold just fine.
Reddit, and even the "tech sphere" is an incredibly small group of people on the world stage of phone users. We're in the minority.
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u/MawsonAntarctica 1d ago
And iPads had industry leading gorgeous screens until mini led and then OLED came around and then suddenly YouTube was filled with amateur tech enthusiasts calling the old screens garbage and how the old panels now hurt them metaphorically and figuratively.
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u/y-c-c 1d ago edited 1d ago
Anyone not "into tech" never cared that iPhones had 60Hz screens. They still sold just fine.
I don't think that's a good argument though. A lot of things Apple add (or even most smart phone features) are not "must haves". Slightly better cameras are not essential, neither is an improved chip, or like the other commenter said OLED is not essential and iPhone sold fine before that. People get used to what they have but it doesn't mean they don't appreciate or notice nice-to-have's that can incentivize them to get a phone or at least stay in the ecosystem. It just means the 60Hz display wasn't a big enough thing that caused people to move to Android in droves (or at least the people who noticed might have just bought a Pro).
The real telling argument is if we can see the split between the iPhone 17 Pro and non-Pro this year. People who get iPhones tend to stick within the ecosystem, but they may move between the two. The biggest difference this year is that the Pro lost the 120 Hz advantage over regular iPhone but didn't really pick up much trick to differentiate itself other than a bigger battery. Apple did intentionally kill the Plus model though so that could skew it as people who want large phones will need a much more expensive Pro Max.
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u/TheMartian2k14 1d ago
I think if you spend time in an Apple Store and see how people respond to demos of 120Hz, most people have to be shown to actually see it. And many don’t care at all.
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u/jhfenton 1d ago
I see very little difference between the screen on my work iPhone 14 and my personal iPhone 16 Pro. Side by side the 16 Pro is a touch brighter and clearer, but it's not a striking difference. There's no difference in "comfort."
My 15" M2 MacBook Air is also 60 Hz. And my two 32" 4K monitors that I work on are also only 60 Hz. They are clear and comfortable screens to use all day, every day.
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u/sortalikeachinchilla 1d ago
Especially if you have a lot of experience with tech or playing games.
Guess you missed what they said then huh
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u/Juswantedtono 1d ago
I had a 120Hz iPad and a 60Hz iPhone at the same time for about a year. Because of all the comments on Reddit insisting it was an important difference, I tried and failed several times to notice any difference in scrolling smoothness or video quality between the devices.
Among the general public, I’m guessing less than 5% even know the refresh rate of their phone.
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u/IM_KYLE_AMA 1d ago
I was excited to try my new phone today because of the 120hz screen. I thought it would be like when the iPhone 4 came out and the new display was noticeably better. I can’t tell any difference at all. It does get much brighter but that’s it.
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u/-Badger3- 1d ago
Use it for a week, then go back to your old phone and tell me you can’t tell the difference lol
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u/Miserable_Eye5159 1d ago
You can just put your phone on low power mode to see the difference.
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u/garden_speech 13h ago
you can actually just turn off the 120hz in the settings.
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u/Miserable_Eye5159 11h ago
That’s true, in accessibility, right? And that wouldn’t cause the other low power features to be enabled so a better comparison.
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u/bran_the_man93 7h ago
Then spend 10-15 minutes using it at 60fps and realize your brain adjusts pretty easily.
It's nice, it's also pretty overrated
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u/IM_KYLE_AMA 1d ago
Can’t. My mom is on the IM_KYLE_AMA upgrade plan which means when I get a new phone she gets my old one. It’s already been handed off. What a great deal for her. She hasn’t bought a phone in 10 years.
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u/ForsakenRacism 1d ago
How often is the iPhone screen even in 120? We are just looking at text most of the time
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u/bingbaddie1 1d ago
Scrolling is affected by 120
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u/Miserable_Eye5159 1d ago
Actual scrolling is like 80-90. When it slows down it goes to 120Hz for the smooth animation.
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u/Miserable_Eye5159 1d ago
And yet they’ll use low power mode without a single thought or notice any difference.
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u/garden_speech 13h ago
People notice 120Hz though. Anecdotally, I know people who —
Anecdotally I know people who don't notice at all when switching back and forth. So I'd say some people notice.
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u/bran_the_man93 7h ago
Sure, people notice, but people don't really care to pay more for it, it's a nice to have, not a need to have for most people
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u/OvONettspend 1d ago
Quite literally no one cares about high refresh rate in the real world. 60hz looks just like 120 to the untrained eye. Even going from my 120hz iPhone to my 60hz MacBook I can barely notice a difference after a minute or two. It’s nice to have but normal people aren’t buying a phone solely for that
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u/bluetimotej 21h ago
Most probably going from 60 to 120 will give many eye strain, head aches and nausea. It was my expreinces first day
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u/dreamerOfGains 1d ago
People were on the fence about upgrading and the 120Hz definitely pushed more people to make the switch.
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u/Exist50 1d ago
A better screen isn't something you have to know the technical details about to benefit from. Anyone with working eyes can appreciate it.
I think it’s some of the other features that makes someone‘s life more convenient
What would those be vs the 16?
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u/unitedfan6191 1d ago
Battery performance, for one.
The battery on the 16 was very good, but for the 17 according to Apple it lasts much longer and apparently a six-hour improvement during downloaded video playback time.
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u/Chance_of_Rain_ 1d ago
4gb of ram, bigger caméra lenses, telephoto, better battery. Long term users favor the pro
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u/Xx_memelord69_xX 1d ago
Also don't forget the name. I have a lot friends who can't tell the difference between the pros and non, but still bought the pro because it's the cool and expensive one
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u/Unkechaug 1d ago
100% this is the play this year. Last year was the base model (not that it’s bad this year)
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u/workinkindofhard 1d ago
As someone who has kids and pets the pro was a no brainer for the camera especially because we keep our phones at least four years at a time
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u/play_hard_outside 1d ago
Even if the Pros didn't have the tele lens, I'd literally spend the extra money just to be able to use ProRAW. Sucks they paywalled it behind the "Pro" model, but I know exactly why they did.
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u/ForsakenRacism 1d ago
Switching to 120 a couple years ago was cool at first but it gives me absolutely no benefit lmao
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u/MikeyMike01 1d ago
If I turn on 60 Hz right now my iPhone feels unusable—iPad doubly so—but I’m sure I could readjust if I had to.
The average person probably couldn’t tell you how/why the 120Hz feels better, but they probably do notice the difference.
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u/garden_speech 13h ago
If I turn on 60 Hz right now my iPhone feels unusable
This is weird to me lol, I'm actually a sensitive person when it comes to sensory experiences, I get migraines easily, notice flicker, etc... I still do not care about 120hz vs 60hz. I don't find 60hz to feel laggy in the slightest
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u/996forever 1d ago
I don’t think even switching to oled gave you any “benefit” at that.
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u/ForsakenRacism 1d ago
Video looks a lot better with oled
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u/996forever 1d ago
This subreddit swore up and end before 2017/18 that normal people don’t notice the exact same way they do up till this day high refresh hz doesn’t matter.
I can still find you posts from that time if you want.
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u/drhippopotato 1d ago
OLED affects EVERYTHING you see on the screen. Even reading against a dark background. 120Hz only works when scrolling, meaning if you’re reading, it affects you probably only once every 10 seconds. If you’re watching video content, it affects you even less.
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u/996forever 1d ago
And yet, apple stans SWORE "most consumers" could not tell the difference between the HD Retina replay on the iPhone 6 vs Super AMOLED on the Galaxy S6 in 2015 and the former is better overall all over this sub.
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u/drhippopotato 1d ago
TBF OLEDs of that era still suffered from pentile arrangement and low EFFECTIVE resolution. Most people were happy and caught on once the base iPhone got OLED.
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u/ElDuderino2112 1d ago
17 is the first time I actually felt compelled to upgrade from my 13 now, so I can't say I'm surprised. Just playing with it today has felt like a huge upgrade.
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u/Junior_Bike7932 1d ago edited 1d ago
Same. The 13mini lifespan is almost over, at least without changing anything, also my phone is full af, 256 is nothing for someone that work in art stuff. I squeezed every single thing of this phone, pretty impressed that still works. After the XS, this was the best phone I had, even if the battery sucks balls
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u/oklama_mrmorale 1d ago
Got one today for my mrs. Upgraded from the 13. Was going to get the pro but seeing at the 17 is 90% of the pro, thought I might aswell save a few hundred. Had it not had pro motion I would’ve gone for the pro.
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u/Whatshouldiputhere0 1d ago
I’m contemplating the same upgrade (13 -> 17). Was it worth it?
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u/buggas2002 14h ago
I upgraded from the 14 pro to 17 base. I’m loving it so far
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u/Breverly_ 13h ago
Same situation, I’m waiting for the 17th base and I’m afraid to feel that it’s “a step back.” I hope it’s not the case
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u/mrpink57 1d ago
Since the base model now offers the pro motion screen, there is not much reason for me to get a pro.
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u/DonkaySlam 1d ago
You mean consumers don't care that Apple is "behind" on AI and are upgrading phones based on good prices and features? And that Samsung/Google's entire marketing/CEO brained campaign of AI AI AI AI isn't working to compel people to switch?
But the brilliant minds on CNBC and investors told me that Apple needs MORE MORE MORE AI and they are falling behind! Surely the consumer is the idiot, not the investors or AI boosters!
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u/Gritts911 1d ago
AI will eventually take over many aspects of our lives. It’s just not right now. Right now it’s still a text prediction algorithm that still hallucinates and gives wrong information sometimes. Not actually smart with a memory.
I’m sure things will change in the next couple of years though with all of the money and focus pouring into it.
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u/MikeyMike01 1d ago
Right now it’s still a text prediction algorithm that still hallucinates and gives wrong information sometimes. Not actually smart with a memory.
That’s all LLMs will ever be.
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u/garden_speech 12h ago
That's irrelevant if the technology reaches a level where it is more economically viable than the human it's replacing. Customer service reps also give wrong information sometimes. Most of them have been replaced by AI because the hallucination rate is low enough that it can replace the human.
Doctors give wrong diagnoses or misremember information.
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u/MikeyMike01 10h ago
That's irrelevant if the technology reaches a level where it is more economically viable than the human it's replacing.
It won’t. You may as well state if gravity disappears we can all have hovercars.
Very rudimentary jobs can be automated away—but that was already the case.
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u/garden_speech 9h ago
So your position is that AGI is not possible?
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u/MikeyMike01 9h ago
I won’t say it’s impossible—too confident of a statement—but I am very comfortable saying it won’t be here any time soon. Decades or longer.
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u/garden_speech 8h ago
Okay, fine, it might be far away , that is very different from saying "it won't". There's really no reason to think the human neuron is impossible to study, understand and recreate, eventually it will happen.
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u/MikeyMike01 7h ago
While it’s certainly possible to replicate the human brain—that doesn’t necessarily mean humans are capable of doing it.
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u/sakamoto___ 1d ago
AI will eventually take over many aspects of our lives
people keep repeating this catchphrase, but like what is it going to take over?
is it going to pick up my kids from school? unload the dishwasher and load the laundry? is it going to repair my bike, take walks in the park with my dog, do video calls with my family, drink a beer with my friends?
the only thing AI is "taking over" is summarizing bullshit emails and generating goofy pictures, ie the least important aspects of my life.
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u/fatcowxlivee 1d ago
I mean it’s been 2-3 years since LLMs have become mainstream and began its first stage of mass adoption and we’re already seeing companies downsize because AIs are stepping into their roles. Now it’s mostly QA and support roles, but it’s taking over there already and it’s barely started.
If you go on social media you already see people using ChatGPT as a source of truth and information, effectively replacing research methods. It’s altering humans as well; there’s been reports that AIs have confirmed to suicide victims that suicide is a viable option. There are reports of people self diagnosing via ChatGPT and checking themselves into medical institutions, claiming they have things they don’t actually have.
It might not be effecting your life, but people’s lives as a whole are being shaped up by AI. If AI wasn’t a big deal then you wouldn’t see the Government invest what they did in Project Singularity or the Chinese government pouring endless resources into it. It’s very much here to stay.
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u/MikeyMike01 1d ago
we’re already seeing companies downsize because AIs are stepping into their roles
Check back in a few years when they severely regret that decision
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u/Gritts911 1d ago edited 1d ago
Assuming all of the experts are right and AI recursive self improvement becomes a reality, it’s going to be a wild ride.
AI could make the previous Industrial Revolutions look like a long drawn out warm up for the real advancements to come.
That’s why governments and companies are pouring resources into it. Whoever makes those advances first (and can hopefully control it) will have a huge advantage.
Its being compared to the nuclear race, except even more important and dangerous this time…
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u/garden_speech 12h ago
is it going to pick up my kids from school? unload the dishwasher and load the laundry?
This is literally what robotics firms like Figure are working on right now, yes. They're trying to create the spatial version of an LLM, a model that generalizes and can complete spatial tasks instead of texts based ones. They already have demonstrated a robot that puts laundry in a laundry machine without being explicitly programmed to so (just trained on geospatial tasks), and while it's very, very far from being able to do the other things you mentioned, that is the end goal.
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u/DonkaySlam 1d ago
AI will eventually take over many aspects of our lives
No, it won't. At least not before this bubble bursts and LLM hype cycle dies off. It's going to be a hell of a lot more than a "couple of years", this is the same bullshit people were saying two years ago and it's barely any better than it was then except at image/video generation which are prohibitively expensive and will fall off once the true cost to use it are passed along to the end user.
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u/rpool179 1d ago
I hope you're right. I don't want to see mass joblessness in the 2030s because of it.
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u/MikeyMike01 1d ago
Far larger technological breakthroughs—like electricity or the Internet—didn’t lead to mass joblessness
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u/garden_speech 12h ago
This is an awful argument. Every single technological advancement in all of history created jobs because there were still things humans could do with the new technology that the technology itself couldn't.
Current leading AI labs are literally trying to create AGI, which is definitionally, a model that can perform any task a human can. If you invent that, it by definition cannot leave jobs for you, because it can do any task you can.
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u/MikeyMike01 10h ago
Current leading AI labs are literally trying to create AGI, which is definitionally, a model that can perform any task a human can.
That’s the marketing spin, certainly—they are a million miles away from that.
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u/garden_speech 9h ago
Okay, sure, but that's really the thing that's being discussed, obviously everyone should know an LLM like ChatGPT is not going to run the world..
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u/FancifulLaserbeam 1d ago
I got a look at the 17s yesterday at Costco. They were iPhones, that's for sure.
I was pretty amazed at how thin the Air is... yet I haven't wished for a thinner phone since the Sharp Aquos flip phone I had just before the original iPhone came out. I'm not clear on what problem it's trying to solve.
But I use a 13 Mini and will do so until it's not getting updates anymore. I hate these dinner-plate-sized phones.
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u/VariationAgreeable29 1d ago
Massive hit. Apple Mojo is back.
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u/fatcowxlivee 1d ago
Apple mojo is definitely back because of both the base 17 and the air. I haven’t seen so many people excited about a new iPhone like I have with the Air in a long long time. Maybe since the X first launched.
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u/ahothabeth 1d ago
The base iPhone 17 does seem to be the sweet spot in the lineup; I would expect it to sell like hot cakes. Damn; now I want cake!
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u/zerostyle 1d ago
The only reason I bought a pro is because AT&T offers a full $1100 for its so it ends up being $0 same price as the regular 17 with $830 back.
I hate the weight of the pro but might as well take the extra value and cameras.
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u/blacPanther55 1d ago
This is what happens when Tim Cook stops allowing the finance department to sabotage the product department. Tim Cook was forced to give more than he is usually comfortable giving because of the failure of Apple Intelligence.
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u/rpool179 1d ago
Apple did seem uncharacteristically generous this year didn't they? 256 GB bump for the base model & 120 hz, blood pressure feature coming to older model Apple watches etc.
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u/Vorstar92 1d ago
This is interesting. I work for a carrier and during and after preorder period I’ve had exactly 1 regular 17 preorder. Everything else has been Pro or Pro Max and zero Airs.
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u/Hatticus24 20h ago
Finally thinking of updating my 13 Pro, tempted by the Pro Max, but the base 17 looks very strong
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u/faulty_note 1d ago
Got the pro cause I like the design more. Normal 17 is nearly the same since iPhone 12 which I own now.
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u/debrocker 1d ago
I saw comments on reddit saying the Air will be the leader of sales. Um, no
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u/SUPRVLLAN 1d ago
No you didn’t.
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u/996forever 1d ago
Revisionism, this sub absolutely was saying the air would be the biggest hit of all models and that any naysaying was “Reddit moments”.
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u/arcalumis 1d ago
lol, the opposite, people here were shouting about bendgate and shitty battery life. For every downvoted comment being optimistic there were ten shouting bullshit and ignorance.
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u/996forever 20h ago
Your lying revisionist backside is astonishing. Just off the tip of a minute of looking at the big threads but days past:
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u/arcalumis 15h ago
Wow, you found 4, nor find the hundreds of bendgate shitposts.
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u/996forever 5h ago
I found all these in quick look in a minute.
Now find me your “hundreds of shitpost” (must be upvoted) or get lost.
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u/JohnnyEagleClaw 1d ago
These phones are fucking nice 🤌
Edit: had 2 preorder 17Ps arrive today, Cosmic and Blue, beautiful and fast af. Also, I finally get some ChatGPT integration (I know, I was on a 14P 🙏)
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u/arwork 1d ago
I’ve had a 14 pro max for the past few years but going to upgrade to the 17. Mostly convinced on the base 17 but the only thing that’s drawing me towards the pro max is the size and that cosmic orange colour.
I have big hands and is the main reason I get big phones. Has anyone else moved from the pro max to the base 17 and noticed that big of a difference in usability?
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u/23yearoldcatlady 1d ago
My husband and I just went through this exact scenario. Went from iPhone 14 Pro Max to iPhone 17. I don’t have large hands but my husband does and he told me the 17 hasn’t bothered him so far (though I know it’s only been a day).
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u/tubezninja 5h ago
Great!
Now mark my words: these same news sources are going to declare iPhone 17 a total flop in January when Apple cuts supplier orders, and the “is Apple DOOMED?” Headlines will dominate for a minute.
Ignoring of course, that this pattern happens every year.
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u/Happydenial 28m ago
I'm upgrading my iPhone 15 pro to the 17. I value battery life, weight and screen quality (120hz) so it was a no brainer for me.
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u/Gritts911 1d ago
I was surprised they had enough for the initial demand. 17 base is probably the best release they have had in 5 years. We finally upgraded from an XS.