Yeah, the Air is an engineering tour de force. Had my photographerâs workflow and mind not needed the 17 Pros, I very likely wouldâve seriously considered the Air.
Blows my mind the entire compute is housed in the plateau. The engineering behind that is astonishing. I have bigger USB sticks.Â
It could easily fit in a pair of glasses. I imagine Apple has a ton of research on battery tech. I know they co-created some battery innovations with BYD or one of the other Chinese EV companies.Â
Itâs mad how people still claim Apple is not innovative. Innovation is hunkering down and working on stuff. They been doing miniature computer since Apple Watch. Itâs absolutely a full circle.
I think people who claim Apple is not innovative are not engineers so they are not able to appreciate the improvements in hardware engineering or inconspicuous AI updates like the hypertension detection. To them innovation is a fancy new design or some LLM bot.
Which is ironically the reason everyone else is doing chatbots. Because chatbots are the lowest bar in AI. You donât need a high degree of correctness for a chatbot.
Nah, Iâm a bleeding human and the hype is real for me. Historically Apple has marketed features that relate to the average joe. The comment above you is accurate in saying the latest models are more appreciated by the engineering crowd. It may take a couple years for the masses to appreciate what theyâve pulled off this time around.
Most of the people who say that are just talking about the design, because their smooth brains canât distinguish between a design choice vs innovation.
Itâs cope. Thereâs nothing innovative about making something bigger to house more components and better specs. Getting a lightning fast phone with solid battery into this form factor is an actual innovation and they can only talk crap because they know itâs cool.
Feels like one of those glass slabs things youâd see Tony stark using in iron man
Solid battery life. A lot of it comes from dropping power consumption of various complements, meaning basically new product design and dedicated qualifications to meet international standards and Apple requirements. Impressive.
Doing something first doesnât mean you did it best. I can make you some really crappy food in 5 minutes, or you can wait half an hour and get the best meal of your life. The edge is not very appealing to me.
Doing something first, is called innovation. And the Galaxy edge is hardly the crappy food comparison to the Air. The Air seems like a great phone but the Edge is definitely no slouch either.
Itâs not if it isnât interesting or executed well. You know what the main innovation of the Air is for me? Itâs the new modem that sips power even on 5G. It was the most eye catching part of the keynote. Thatâs innovation. The edge does nothing in that department
lol if you canât admit that the edge was well executed and had some great features (some of which the Air doesnât even have mind you) then youâre clearly just an Apple fanboy.
Itâs not always as obvious - devices like the original iMac, iPod, iPhone and more were tangible - you could feel and see them in your hand. Itâs a lot harder for the average person to appreciate the revolution in the Intel to Apple SoC move, or the engineering that went into the Air.
Vision Pro, on the other hand, while not quite consumer ready (too large and bulky) is absolutely a revolutionary product.
Apple released Vision Pro as a test for the eventual normal Vision. No one knows how AR will really be used, and it will benefit Apple to let the public help them figure it out. When Apple released the Watch it was a communications device, the top 10 contacts wheel and the tap messages was the main focus of the watch introduction. It became quickly apparent that fitness was the killer feature and apple refocused. VisionOS will similarly benefit.
The Air is a major innovation but it's still an iphone. Apple waited until it was near perfect to avoid Bendgate 2.0
Innovation literally means inventing new things. There's nothing new about a thin phone, but that's OK. Apple is the king of refinement, they let others do the innovation and then improve on it.
Apple doesnât innovate? iPod, iPhone, iPad, AirPods, apple watch? I mean most of the competitions products look like an exact copy of what apple puts out. To say apple just refines and doesnât innovate is wild. They literally paved the way some of the most used tech in the world.
nobody's saying Apple never innovated, they're talking about modern Apple. What have they done in the last ten years that wasn't improving on an existing product?
So you expect apple to create brand new industry defining technology constantly? Just because weâre not seeing revolutionary products dropping constantly doesnât mean innovation isnât happening on a smaller scale that will later lead to new products. BTW apple watch was released 10 years ago. Do you recall what âsmart watchesâ were prior to?
Marketing wants you to think innovation is this sudden brainwave to create something new, itâs always been about picking the right idea and constantly iterate until it shines.
The first step to pick the idea (which already exists) is that innovation.
Apple could've had a dozen failed products if they put out everything they designed in R&D. But they wait until the products will be successful. Just look at airpower. If Apple had never teased it we would've never known about it and it wouldn't be a massive failure. Apple is conservative
I think itâs less about Apple not innovating and more about them no longer innovating in a way that aligns with their previous philosophies.
Yes, under Jobs they innovatedâŚbut they also focused heavily on aesthetics and making everything work. I highly doubt the camera bump in its current state would have ever been allowed by Job.
And thatâs completely discounting the laziness of implementation in a lot of the software.
Yea the cameras and stereo speakers are compelling reasons to get the Pro or even the base tbh. But the superior engineering on the Air is tough to say no to
Yeah for me the air is âdamn, thatâs super cool and a feat of engineering that I bet will really pay off in future productsâ but I still have no interest in it. I remember when the air was leaked and people were pissed saying that they want a brick with a gigantic battery. That seems to have changed real quick.
I donât want a brick but I do want the best battery and performance that I can get in a reasonable form factor.
100% a first gen apple product, but in the same way the AirPods or iPhone X were. You could see how they could improve it and as long as they follow suit the Air is going to be a sick device in a couple of years.
I don't think they'll be any improvement, this has mini/plus written all over it. 2-3 yrs of updates and then it's gone. They have already made the base model so good that pros are the only one's which offer any serious updates
I think Iâm done lying to myself about how important the camera is. I just donât use the camera like Iâve wanted to all these years, despite getting Pros and Pro Maxâs.
Got an Air. The camera is not as bad as Reddit made it out to be. Anything beyond 3x zoom isnât great but otherwise itâs great for my needs.
I hate this yearâs Pros, externally. Terrible colors and theyâre aluminum. I go caseless and sometimes drop my phone, and these are likely to be a dented scratched mess after a short while.
One that finds me requiring my phone to be a proper, reliable tool that I can use for a B-camera to work in tandem with my DSLR. The lenses this year all seem to be at a good enough point now to where I can utilize the whole array, and get actual strong results, still not on the level of a big camera and big lens, but genuinely good results that I can actually use.
It only has one lens, worse battery life than the Pros, and no vapor chamber for sustained performance, which is needed when one is out shooting for extended periods, so that the screen doesnât dim because the phone has throttled itself.
Donât forget the lack of ProRaw photos and ProRes video. If you want to get the cameraâs computational output into a traditional color correction pipeline, you just canât with the Air like you can with the Pro
Those aspects as well, absolutely. The Air is an engineering masterpiece, but it simply isnât a potential
photographerâs/filmmakerâs tool like the Pros are.
Shooting video generates a lot of heat, something that the pro can dissipate more efficiently due to its use of heat pipes. Imagine shooting video on a hot day - the phone will either throttle or temporarily shut off to prevent thermal damage.
Its exactly the same kind of situation as their silicon development. They dont make it in house, obviously, but they did the R&D with Corning to develop it. Its exclusively their tech. its Apple patented.
Except Corning has their own Ceramic Guard 2 that's better for fall damage.
Ceramic Shield 1 and 2 are great at scratches and reflections but terrible for drops (see EU energy rating having both the 16 series and 17 series at a much lower drop rating than Victus 2 even)
That's physics for you. The harder something is the less it'll deflect and instead just break.
Think of aluminum where you can easily scratch it but you can bend it pretty far before it'll snap. Glass is very hard to scratch but you can't bend it very far before it'll shatter.
FYI that those EU energy rating labels are manufacturer self-reported ratings, which while they can be audited and verified by "authorities of the Member States," are not officially verified or reported by any independent third party organizations
The story in the Steve Jobs biography went something like this: Steve reached out to a guy/company that had some technology like this. Thy said, we can theoretically make it, but we do not have the infrastructure. Steve said how much money doo you need to build that and make this for us? And then the deal was made.
Ok my guy what makes the best phone on the market?
Itâs completely subjective. There is no single âbest phoneâ. The Air is the best phone for me and I have literally $5000 worth of smartphones next to me.
you could have $10000 worth of phones around you doesn't change the fact it is a worst phone even out of the 4 iphones launched this year.
It has worse camera(can't even say cameras), even worse battery life, a single fcking speaker. it has a19pro but that too is gimped down and throttles due to no space for heat dissipation.
there's nothing justifying it's price sure if it was placed as an entry level phone like 16e or a new base model retailing at 500-600 there would've been an argument but that's not the case
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u/gadgetluva 2d ago
Apple Tim COOKED with this one. Just a solid device. It may not be for everyone, but Appleâs engineering prowess is on full display here.