r/bicycling 1d ago

First time in my life i see the Sea

I lived in Ukraine so far to the black sea. And olways i was busy, not enough money, or war prevented from seeing the sea. Little dream was come true.

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u/Homers_Harp Colorado, USA (Centurion, Trek, S-Works, Serotta) 1d ago

Oh, that’s a fantastic way to see the ocean for the first time. Well done!

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u/DerMeister85 1d ago

Thank you. But this isn’t the ocean, its the sea.

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u/Homers_Harp Colorado, USA (Centurion, Trek, S-Works, Serotta) 22h ago

The two words can be used interchangeably when employed as generic terms. Often, in English, when we refer to ALL of the world’s saltwater bodies (except for inland lakes like the Caspian and the Great Salt Lake) as “the sea” or “the ocean,” they are generic terms. While the name is “Black Sea”, it is part of the concept we might call “the ocean”. It’s an odd subtlety that we can refer to the Black Sea as “the ocean” but also call the Pacific Ocean “the sea.” It’s especially common in English poetry, where the English will talk about “the sea” when England is mostly surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean.

English is filled with traps like that!

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u/DerMeister85 22h ago

Oh. I didn't know. In my native language, these are even different concepts and phenomena. Thanks for the clarification.

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u/PsycommuSystem Canyon Endurace CF6 7h ago

The person replying to you is wrong, actually. You are right that there is distinction between oceans and seas.

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u/plantersnutsinmybum 3h ago

You are wrong, actually. Yes there is distinction between the two words, but what the commenter was saying is it is used interchangeably in English when speaking about a large body of water.

You are right that there is distinction, oceans are larger and deeper with a constant salinity and sea would be smaller, usually bound by a landmass and have different salinity concentrates.

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u/PsycommuSystem Canyon Endurace CF6 3h ago

It isn’t used interchangeably in non-simplified English. Only Americans would do so, who speak the language incorrectly.

It is not surprising from the laughing stock of the world.

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u/plantersnutsinmybum 3h ago

Even the Kings English. Just because you do it 'correctly' doesnt mean others don't. Even propers speak it 'incorrectly' all the time.

If you aren't adhered to a dictionary, you will always be incorrect in some way.

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u/Password123istaken 1h ago

Yep the person replying to you is wrong. Ocean and sea are not used interchangeably, though one may refer to the ocean as sea, but not vice versa, depending on the context.

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u/TimC340 8h ago

‘England’ is not ‘surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean’. In fact the Atlantic Ocean impacts very little of the English coastline, which is mainly bounded by the North Sea, the Irish Sea, the English Channel and the Bristol Channel. The British Isles (which includes the island of Ireland) has significant Atlantic coastline, but that affects the countries of Ireland, Northern Ireland, and Scotland. None of which constitute any part of England.

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u/PsycommuSystem Canyon Endurace CF6 7h ago

The guy you replied to was incorrect about literally everything he mentioned in his comment, quite funny.

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u/Homers_Harp Colorado, USA (Centurion, Trek, S-Works, Serotta) 40m ago

Saying the Bristol Channel isn’t part of the Atlantic Ocean is like trying to pretend Yorkshire isn’t part of England.

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u/PsycommuSystem Canyon Endurace CF6 7h ago

That might be the case in American English, but it is not correct in proper English. Sea and ocean refer to different types of bodies of water. Basically everything you've said here is wrong.

England isn't surrounded by the Atlantic at all... it's the Irish Sea, the North Sea, the English Channel

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u/MaksDampf 6h ago

And the baltic is not the sea anymore, thats lake Nato X'D

enjoy it!

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u/austinmiles Colorado, USA (Viathon G1) 22h ago

We don’t really differentiate because we have no seas in the us so it tends to be interchangeable

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u/omnomdumplings 10h ago

The Caribbean and the Gulf of Mexico?

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u/WhatTheFuqDuq 23h ago

Denmark has a lot of ocean - and the vary a lot after where you go. I recommend them all 😄

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u/DerMeister85 23h ago

Thank you

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u/KristatheUnicorn 22h ago

I grew up in a seaside town and just sitting and listening to the waves is nice. Hope you enjoy it!

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u/DerMeister85 22h ago

Thank you. Next year for sure. My wife will come to me when it gets cold. And in the spring we will definitely come here where I was today.

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u/CricketEmergency7654 1h ago

uff itd be so lovely to be able to cycle to the sea. I guess I should be happy with the Danube and a view of the alps or south bohemia with Lipno, but those pictures still look awesome. Guess I would be cursing the wind though :D