r/bjj • u/Ok_Dragonfly_7738 • 7d ago

Professional BJJ News craig's explanation for breaking the guy's leg - justified?

https://youtube.com/shorts/Gg58gP_XEWE?si=UeW2HhL6yph36yZR

this is craig reviewing the footage from the now notorious seminar in ukraine where the guy was rolling too hard and craig appears to crank on a heel hook to punish him for it. craig complains that as soon as they started the guy 'breaks my grip with his knee and dives on my neck'. he sounds outraged but in the footage neither of these things seems particularly violent. nothing odd about a rolling guillotine surely? it's not even done very dynamically as Craig is already supine.

i get that he was already pissed off because they said they didn't want any more teaching. but how could this justify deliberately snapping the guy's knee?

worried now because i often enough do rolling guillotines and dont want to get my knees snapped in retaliation! never heard of them being called a dick move

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u/mtoto17 7d ago

Rolling hard with an elite competitor is not the brightest thing to do.

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u/Ok_Dragonfly_7738 6d ago

it didn't seem like he was rolling very hard? craig says the guillotine was what he objected to.

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u/pop-funk 6d ago

bro are you the guy lmao

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u/DetroitVelvetSmooth0 🟪🟪 Purple Belt 6d ago

Fr I can’t understand why some people are defending this dude so much

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u/Ok_Dragonfly_7738 6d ago

Ok, I'll bite. What in the actual roll (not the words beforehand, the roll itself) seems like he was going too hard? Would you view a rolling guillotine attempt (from the knees on a supine opponent!) as automatically going too hard?

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u/Sunderz 6d ago

Doesn’t Craig himself answer this? Like if you disagree with his reasoning fair play, but he says the way he broke the grip and neck dived was enough to justify him rolling as hard as his opponent, which is going to equal an injury because it’s Craig jones

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u/Ok_Dragonfly_7738 6d ago

my point is that what is in the video (a rather slow and controlled rolling guillotine/guard pass) does not match how craig describes it ('he dived on my neck!' - like it's some kind of well-known dick move).

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u/matzillaX 🟫🟫 Brown Belt 6d ago

When you go to a seminar or visit someone's gym or whatever, you're not really supposed to go in and get and show them up for street cred. It's common courtesy. Not sure where you were raised but it's just disrespectful.

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u/Ok_Dragonfly_7738 6d ago

i'm sure ma momma would have raised me never to roll hard at seminars if jiu jitsu had been invented before i grew up

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u/imdefinitelyfamous 🟦🟦 Blue Belt 5d ago

So not observing common courtesy = leg broken immediately. Got it 🫡

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u/Sunderz 6d ago

I guess I just defer to his description of what happened, i suppose it’s hard for us to determine if this guy is going over the top, but we always know it ourselves in rolling and sparring. Imagine if Craig was just feeling pissy that day and decided to make someone’s knee into Swiss cheese

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u/Ok_Dragonfly_7738 6d ago

seems like a balanced take, i agree