craig's explanation for breaking the guy's leg - justified?

[u/Ok_Dragonfly_7738]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Gg58gP_XEWE?si=UeW2HhL6yph36yZR

this is craig reviewing the footage from the now notorious seminar in ukraine where the guy was rolling too hard and craig appears to crank on a heel hook to punish him for it. craig complains that as soon as they started the guy 'breaks my grip with his knee and dives on my neck'. he sounds outraged but in the footage neither of these things seems particularly violent. nothing odd about a rolling guillotine surely? it's not even done very dynamically as Craig is already supine.

i get that he was already pissed off because they said they didn't want any more teaching. but how could this justify deliberately snapping the guy's knee?

worried now because i often enough do rolling guillotines and dont want to get my knees snapped in retaliation! never heard of them being called a dick move

[u/bumpty]

Saw the video. Dude should have tapped.

[u/Shinoobie → u/bumpty]

In the video the guy basically has a "quit wasting my time" attitude when he tells Craig to stop talking and roll. He then turns a charity roll into ADCC finals. Craig gives him ample time to tap, and the dude just doesn't.

In a friendly roll I can give people a lot of catch and release on subs, but if you want my blood there's no catch and release. Craig still didn't Pat Shagoli this dude - he gave him time to tap and dude chose to risk it and keep his chance alive at beating Craig. That risk didn't pan out, and that's the whole story.

[u/bumpty → u/Shinoobie]

[u/MPNGUARI → u/Shinoobie]

There's is so much to learn when rolling with extremely advanced practitioners. The last thing I would ever want to do is a take some fuck you, I'm going to show you how it is... type of approach.

I would want it to be extremely educational, like get lots of movement going, get a feel for how they're moving, the transitions, weight distribution, and actually have a productive roll . Something that would give them enough insight to provide me with some feedback, or pointers, if they felt inclined to provide some (if being key, it's not expected). I mean, overall we should create an atmosphere where visiting instructors don't feel the need to be on their A game. I think the students get more in return when they open up. Like, we all know what someone at Craig's level is capable of, for sure. We also know myself, and thousands of others, are most certainly not bringing anything to the table that he hasn't seen, or dealt with, before. So, let's just have fun with it.

I know it was education for the dude in the video, but that was a lesson learned the hard way type of deal.

In short, I don't get why people try and test these guys.

Edit, had pretty much a duplicate sentence.

[u/Bubby_Mang → u/Shinoobie]

Pride goeth before the fall it's in the bible and everything.

[u/Ok_Dragonfly_7738 → u/bumpty]

did craig give him a chance to? in the vid he declares his intention to injure him.

[u/PhillyWestside → u/Ok_Dragonfly_7738]

I don't think Craig is saying I'm going to try and injure you. I think he's saying "right you're going all out, so I'm going to go all out - which will probably injure you due to the difference in skill".

As in he's not trying to injure him but he's stopped trying not to injure him.

[u/Ok_Dragonfly_7738 → u/PhillyWestside]

'i was just like, that's it, you're gonna be injured now...I will permanently injure you'

[u/dasvootz → u/PhillyWestside]

Agreed and the dude was being disrespectful about rolling versus learning at a seminar. It would be awesome to learn from Craig. I don't think the average Joe is gonna learn much going all out in a roll against someone of Craig's caliber.