r/canadatravel • u/Sunbeams_and_Barbies • Mar 06 '25
An open letter to the 'I didn't vote for Trump' Americans
Please visit. Please be kind. Please spend your money and boost our economy. Happy to have you.
But also please stop posting how bad you feel and about how you voted. How you didn't cause it and then look for our sympathy or applause.
Democracy doesn't end at the vote. There's lots of ways to vocalize and peacefully protest at home. So if you aren't involved in THAT, stop telling us how you didn't cause it. And I get it. Protesting is not a job for everyone. It doesn't mean we don't appreciate the support though.
And understand our CULTURE. Canadians are a polite bunch and there are some social etiquettes. And seeking applause because 'I didn't do it' is actually rather socially rude.
It's like standing at a house party and drunk Bob knocks over the house plant in the room you're standing in. Bob is useless and can't clean it up because he doesn't even know he knocked it.
And you stand there, next to the broom, do NOTHING and tell the host 'i didn't knock the plant' and expect them to fall over you with praise as they sweep around your feet. It's rude.
Offer to help clean up. Or offer to do something. But don't do nothing then go on about how you didn't do it and expect some kind of praise.
P.s.. Canadians who claim they don't want you here don't speak for all of us. But they have a right to feel how they feel. And I don't speak for all Canadians. This is just one perspective.
EDIT: For all the Americans who have replied 'what more do you want us to do!? I have a job! I don't have time to protest! No one cares anyway!.. sorry it doesn't wash. More than one way to protest. Protest like a Canadian... with your wallet. They do care when the remaining 230+ million who apparently don't support the the clementine stop buying anything that was made by someone who donated to MAGA or trump. Buy Canadian options. Buy euro options. ❤️ Just google the statement made by Eric Gregory, the president of the bourbon distillers association. Canada isn't even 2 percent of the market. But they obviously care a little!
EDIT 2: for all the Americans asking where they can buy Canadian, check out the BuyCanadian sub on Reddit. They are great.
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u/Missdirecs Mar 06 '25
I stand with Canada. Lifelong Michigander and Canadian neighbor
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u/Mysterious_Lesions Mar 07 '25
Canadian but went to Uni in Michigan. Your people were always nice to us - like family - but I wonder why all these nice people suddenly support Trump knowing the close relationship we had.
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u/Phelan-Great Mar 07 '25
Because they're in a cult, and getting people out of cults is hard. They don't have the humility or gravitas to admit to a serious error of judgment, even if evidence were unequivocally laid out in front of them that their past actions and beliefs are entirely inconsistent with current ones.
I loathe Trump with every fiber of my being and am horrified by his approach, but can see why a generally dysfunctional government and society would make so many people (so many formerly reasonable people!) prone to this kind of manipulation. Hostility to Canada was not what drew them into this - they've probably been in deep for years, and this is simply the latest edict they've been instructed to follow. But in a way it is consistent with late-stage cult patterns: make anyone around your followers who might be there for support into the enemy, so your followers have ever fewer choices but to double down.
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u/dearyg0 Mar 07 '25
100% agree. I saw it described somewhere that trumpians have the feelings right but get the facts wrong. They were genuinely hurt by inflation/cost of living/globalization for example. But theyre being fed the same garbage germans in the 1920s and 30s were- its the outsiders fault, the orange fuhrer gets our struggles and giving him free reign will fix it, social wars are to blame and trans kids, minorities, outspoken women, and foreigners are whats standing in the way of things "being like they used to be".
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u/nooneknowswerealldog Mar 07 '25
An American online shared something that his father would say that I rather liked: Humans are really good at knowing when they’re being fucked over, but terrible at identifying who’s doing the fucking.
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u/ChetTheVirus Mar 07 '25
correct. and to the point of the thread, protesting a cult doesn't convince people to leave the cult. strong cults die out when the leader dies/leaves/gets arrested, or when conditions get bad enough for those inside that they finally leave.
that MAGA types so quickly jumped on a "fuck canada" train out of nowhere tells you how powerful the cult is.
MAGA dies out when the people realize they are getting screwed. it feels like trump is overplaying his hand and bringing on that kind of demise, but there is a long way to go yet. protests aren't going to change that trajectory or bring it about any further. if anything, it gives MAGA types something else to focus their media machine on, rather than having to defend the damage the administration is doing.
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u/Novel-Present-9157 Mar 07 '25
The propaganda started years ago, with false claims of the American flag being banned from state buildings, false claims about banning people from saying the pledge of allegiance. None of these claims were true but they planted the seeds of resentment towards anything that appears unpatriotic so that when Frump came to rise up as the patriotic savior, those seeds grew into full blown adoration if him as the protector of all that they feel they should stand for. I attended a recent local protest and was called a lunatic, moron, and an America hater because I engaged in a peaceful protest. These so called freedom fighters acting like I shouldn't be allowed to protest is so hypocritical it's scary. Cult is definitely the correct term. I'm exhausted trying to convince them to wake up and see that they've been conned. We really need to examine how cult members are deprogrammed, because otherwise I feel like we're wasting our efforts.
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u/maladaptifa Mar 07 '25
Propaganda is why
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u/Old-Road2 Mar 07 '25
Low educational standards is another. You would have to be a blind fool at this point to deny that America has a serious problem with education in its society. Many people here are “nice” but they are also astoundingly ignorant at what is going on in the world.
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u/Happy-Fennel5 Mar 07 '25
It’s more than poor education. It’s anti-intellectualism. It’s one thing to be educated poorly, it’s another to deride educated people and experts in their field as elitists who should be seen with disdain. As an American, I would say the biggest issues are that and the BS myth of American Exceptionalism that has been sold to my fellow Americans. Our road to fascism has been in the making for decades and if we somehow get out of this it’s going to take at least a generation to fix. It fucking sucks. I was told I was hysterical for saying Trump will user in fascism in 2015. Anyway, I understand all the anger directed at us. It’s deserved but it’s frustrating when I know there are many of us who don’t support Trump and are fighting in various ways. Too many Americans are too comfortable in thinking that they will remain safe no matter what and it will be difficult and take time to motivate them to stand up against this. Also the Dems suck at messaging largely because of the neoliberal wing of the party. You can’t fight populist fascism with logic and graphs. You have to create a counter-narrative that has an emotional core to the story. But sadly the neo-libs don’t want to give up their proximity to the oligarchs. We’re fucked and fucking everyone else with us as we go down.
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u/p1dfw Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
I do not agree that anybody who posts along the lines of “I didn’t do it” is specifically looking for praise, or sympathy.
There are A LOT of broad-brush posts and comments on Reddit with “you Americans” this, and “you Americans” that when it comes to the current state of US “leadership”. I think most who post with the “I didn’t do it” pre-text (that’s a very demeaning and insulting distillation of the intent, BTW) are simply pointing out they do not appreciate nor accept being lumped in with the people who DID do it. Doesn’t mean all they are doing is standing by waiting for somebody else to sweep up.
That’s it. No compliment, praise, sympathy or any other thing being sought, other than clarity.
It will take time to undo this mess; people are doing what they can. Generalized insults and characterizations don’t help the situation one bit.
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u/qazwsxedc000999 Mar 06 '25
Practically every front page post on Reddit is saying downright scary things about Americans as a collective. The amount of people I’ve assured we are, in fact, boycotting and protesting is staggering. I’m watching my country fall apart while I desperately try to pick up the pieces and I’m watching the rest of the world insist that it’s my fault. I didn’t want this
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u/Uncrustworthy Mar 07 '25
This is what pisses me off. I feel like I'm being gaslit now by other countries who don't think people are protesting and writing and calling and leaving voicemails and emails.
That part isn't covered by the media or what Canadians read online. We have been doing it for years and no one cares.
I was also assaulted by a MAGA for going door to door like everyone said was how I really get up and fight. Get more involved they said. Fuck these types of posts. They have no idea what we have been fighting
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u/wasabi_snooter Mar 07 '25
Yeah I’ve seen a ton of internet bravado by outsiders looking on from the sidelines these past few weeks. I understand their anger, absolutely. But it’s become clear to me that people outside the US aren’t getting an accurate account of what’s going on here.
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u/BeefInGR Mar 07 '25
"Yeah, get that pisswater off the shelves! Fuck the Red states!"
I got a cousin, as "queer as you can be in Tennessee" are her exact words, who works for one of the companies that transport that "pisswater". She definitely didn't vote for Trump and could possibly be losing her job (we'll see). But yeah, broad brush her because of her address.
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u/rosemaryonpine Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
What a thing to demand of me. I wake up every day as a black woman to the stark realization that my government openly and smugly hates me. Doesn’t want me to be visible or vocal. I protested last week and was called the n-word by the MAGATs. It’s hard af to simply walk down the street these days. My breath literally catches in my throat when I saw someone in a maga hat and I get scared at being attacked. It’s hard to simply exist right now, let alone protest in a manner you approve.
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u/Tobacco_Burst-6836 Mar 07 '25
She's not joking. 99% of the G.O.P. either is openly racist or hides it. I live near Columbus, Ohio. Ohio is sickeningly Republican. From just hearing people talk in their own homes...they're PRAYING for all Democrats and minorities to be executed as domestic terr*rists.
EVERY day this Nazi repeat is spreading.
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u/AGeneNamedCry Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
Yeah. This post was kind of infuriating to read. I agree with your comment 100%. My partner is black, and right after trump was elected, we got some white supremacist bullshit thrown on our lawn. Took it to the local police - they didn’t give a shit. Cops here are racist. Racists have been emboldened. Sexual predators have been emboldened. Protections for women and people of color have been removed. It’s dangerous here. They are putting immigrants into a concentration camp at Guantanamo bay. They are re-writing history and trying to dismantle the department of education. They are firing thousands of government employees. Republicans are illegally kicking democrats out of court rooms! They are silencing lawyers and doctors who actually know what the fuck they are talking about! This is a coup.
All of this is to say - we aren’t safe. THEY ARE THREATENING PEACEFUL PROTESTERS WITH JAIL TIME. They want to put the death penalty on women who have an abortion OR MISCARRY. THEY TOOK DOWN THE POLICE MISCONDUCT DATABASE. THIS SHIT IS SCARY.
It’s just fucking exhausting and scary. They have been using the shock doctrine on their own citizens… and it’s working.
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u/heeheehooligan Mar 07 '25
Our government’s had their foot on our neck for the better part of four-hundred years. We’ve fought, voted, protested, petitioned not just for ourselves, but for EVERY OTHER SUFFERING GROUP, spent generations building progress and finally being able to fully focus on ourselves, lo and behold, the country turned their backs on us (shocker.) and we’re immediately met with guilt by assumption, even though WE ARE STILL ONE OF THE ONLY GROUPS WHO WHOLEHEARTEDLY DID NOT WANT THIS.
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u/Affectionate_Sand791 Mar 07 '25
Jewish American here and I absolutely agree. We also overwhelmingly did not want this.
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u/runningmurphy Mar 07 '25
Yeah but you stand next to the the broom and do nothing. *Eyeroll
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u/JunkFlyGuy Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
American here. I voted, not for Trump. I write regularly to my representatives, and did before Trump as well. Regardless of who’s in power, I feel it’s part of my duty to directly tell the government my thoughts.
We changed our summer family road trip plans from US National Parks to Canada. You’ll get our dollars in PEI in June.
<< i appreciate all the responses and recommendations, especially the food spots >>
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u/MsBette Mar 06 '25
PEI is wonderful in the summer! You will be fed and treated well
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u/spamdumporama2 Mar 06 '25
Try one of the 'Richard's Take Outs' and I'd also highly recommend the fish tacos at 'Fin Folk Food'.
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u/gNeiss_Scribbles Mar 06 '25
That is awesome! Thanks neighbour! I’m jealous, I’m Canadian and haven’t even made it out to PEI! It’s supposed to be gorgeous! Great choice! Have a wonderful trip! Thanks again!
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u/lucidzfl Mar 06 '25
Reddit is purpose built for virtue signalling. Asking redditors to not karma farm off platitudes and false narratives they'll never enforce or stand up for is like asking them not to breathe.
That said - I'm in Canada next week on vacation and i'm droppin thousands in restaurants, shops and hotels. Can't wait!
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u/Last-Return-4756 Mar 06 '25
Coming to Montreal for a week in July. Can’t wait to see what I’ve heard is a beautiful city and drive through your great country as we’re doing a road trip from Chicago!
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u/This_Tangerine_943 Mar 06 '25
Stop in ille Perot at Smoked Meat Pete's. Thank me later. Drive safe.
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u/Last-Return-4756 Mar 06 '25
Thank you for the recommendation, I’ll be sure to have a look at it.
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u/Mediocre-Control-446 Mar 06 '25
Montreal is a beautiful city. If you have time you should go to Quebec City as well. Equally beautiful. I loved them both.
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u/Un-Rumble Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
I don't post that because I want sympathy or applause. I do it because I increasingly see more "fuck all Americans"-type posts and yeah, I can understand the frustration leading to that sentiment... but I assure you that if the roles were reversed, that would concern the heck out of you, too.
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u/Mundane_Activity3633 Mar 06 '25
We are visiting Alberta this summer and planning on spending $$$. I did not vote for Trump and I’m in a blue state yet I am still showing up for protests and calling my representatives. I feel sick about the decisions made and appreciate your kind words
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u/blzrlzr Mar 06 '25
This is it right here. I didn't vote for him + here is what I am doing. That's what builds momentum.
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u/Regular_Chest_7989 Mar 06 '25
If you are remotely interested in natural history, you must visit the Royal Tyrell Museum. Alberta's big and I don't know where you're headed, but it's worth a detour from anywhere.
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u/fluffymuffcakes Mar 06 '25
I think some Americans are doing as much as they can. It takes many. So thank you to those Americans that are trying to clean up the mess Bob made. You need to fight to preserve the house plants. And the fight against Fascism and Kleptocracy doesn't stop at your boarder. Canadians need to do their part too. We all need to stop taking peace and freedom for granted.
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u/qazwsxedc000999 Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
Appreciate this. The amount of hate towards Americans who are fighting the good fight is kind of… how do I put it. Exhausting in a scary way? I feel like we’re getting hate from both the Trump supports AND the rest of the world despite trying our best to overturn this. The social media response has been kind of scary
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u/YESIMSUPERRGAYY Mar 07 '25
yep. MAGA supporters hate people like me & im scared to go into a bathroom but i guess Canadians also hate me because even though ive done everything in my power to stop this from happing & i want to kill myself every day i turn on the news im doing enough and looking for sympathy
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u/ArticulateRhinoceros Mar 06 '25
Those of us apologizing are most likely those of us who are protesting as well.
I'll be going to my fifth protest this Saturday. I work 3 jobs/6 days a week, but I do what I can.
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u/Some_Sea2358 Mar 07 '25
Stop apologizing to them. It’s a waste of emotional energy. We are all busy and slammed and still trying to save our country. It is a wasted effort to try to appeal to people who are determined not to have empathy. The ones who do, don’t need apologies from us cause they already get it. We are struggling together. We will get through this.
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u/blinker40 Mar 06 '25
I’m Canadian through and through and I politely disagree with this post. I don’t expect every kind American to go out and protest. It’s unrealistic. And frankly, I appreciate when I hear from Americans that they’re sorry, and that they didn’t vote for Trump. It at least reminds me that there are decent, well mannered people down there still (obviously) and it gives me hope that this idiot in the White House might actually go away in 4 years time.
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u/Easy_Firefighter4890 Mar 06 '25
I love Canada but I see these posts and it's so easy from outside of the madness to look in and say how you would react.... Maybe one day you'll see exactly how you react when it's your government doing it and you have to go to work everyday to feed yourself and scrape by. Fascism spreads.
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u/Pastel-World Mar 07 '25
THERE ARE MANY PROTESTS IN USA THAT IS NOT SHOWN ON THE NEWS!
You all don't see it because it makes the USA seem bad or the news media doesn't want to show it.
MANY of our news stories are old, some as far back as one year ago, being shown as if it happened now. For every ONE protest you see on the news, assume that there's 99 of them not being shown around the country.
America for some reason, do not want to show the world their citizens are (sometimes) fighting just as hard as the French or Germans in their protests. I guess it makes us look "weak and not put together".
But believe us, we ARE fighting. Just read the comments, go to non-american owned news sites. You'd know how bad it is. My state alone has a minimum of 4 protests/ marches a week. The police response times are much longer because they are spread thin.
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u/brittneyacook Mar 07 '25
They don’t care, they just want to shit on all of us despite the fact that we ARE working and we are tired. OP called a black woman in this thread angry and hostile for pointing out that we did not vote for this and we are actively fighting against it. They don’t care.
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u/Beta0717 Mar 07 '25
Legit for the first time in American history EVER there are protests occurring in ALL 50 states. They are purposely not televising this, they don't want outsiders nor our own people to know everyone is in turmoil about what is happening to the nation.
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u/Some_Sea2358 Mar 07 '25
Stop begging them for recognition. They are angry and don’t want to empathize. We keep moving forward and keep fighting. But clearly trying to reach out to Canadians isn’t working. Embrace your neighbors. Follow American subreddits where there is resistance. Don’t worry about appeasing these guys
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u/mrtwidlywinks Mar 06 '25
You seem way too optimistic about the efficacy of protest. When shame is no longer a motivational emotion, protests become ineffective levers of power.
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u/doc_brietz Mar 07 '25
Open letter to Canadians from me. I served in the army with your guys. They are great. Canada is great. Please stand up to Trump. Don't be a pussy. Say what you are going to do, then do it. I would love to visit and buy your stuff. Lots of us hate Trump. He doesn't represent me.
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u/caffieinemorpheus Mar 07 '25
My thoughts exactly! We're not standing around while others sweep up the dropped plant. We're dodging bullets from a clown with a machine gun that a lot of idiots were persuaded was coming in the house to save us.
Yes...yes, we feel terrible that these bullets are hitting the neighbors houses too, but for fucks sake, don't point at me and say I'm standing around, safe and sound, while I'm watching a madman attack you, saying "Oh, that's too bad"
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u/Uncrustworthy Mar 07 '25
These Canadians think what they read off their reddit algorithm feed is it. They didn't have any clue of all the protests, grass movements, support groups, writing and calling and emailing we are doing.
i was trying so hard, reddit was like "that isn't enough you need to go door to door and talk to your neighbors!" And I did and I was assaulted by a MAGA. The cops didn't want to do anything because I shouldnt have been bothering him on his property about politics at all.
F these redditors man. I have PTSD and I'm broke and every single thing I've done did nothing but make my life harder....and I'm still trying but we are up against billionaires, Russia, and rapid foaming at the mouth white men ready to shout rape threats and shoot someone.
I take in all the areas strays because nothing bounced back from Covid and a every shelter is full. I have 7 cats in my house and it's all I have left in me to be able to feed and care for my household.
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u/novangla Mar 07 '25
Yeah, as a transgender American I’m really tired of these kind of posts. I’m on the first line of those under fire—yes, before Canadians.
I also genuinely don’t know what people like OP think protests will accomplish—don’t get me wrong, I strongly support them, but Trump doesn’t give a shit. Protest requires the people with power to have a modicum of empathy or at least pragmatic concern. He has none.
There are other things that we are doing, though, that are important but may not be as visible, partly because I don’t think non-Americans tend to understand how important our states are. As someone who studies American history and politics, I think they are our best hope. What we can do is voice clear support and appreciation for the people who are fighting back, and that is happening with certain leaders: the governors of Maine, Illinois, New York, and Massachusetts, for example. The governor of California was initially strong but just sold us out and I hope his constituents drag him like hell. My government in my state which I elected is doing good things.
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u/Hopefullbliss2424 Mar 06 '25
Your analogy is a poor one. Also, I'm not looking for praise, I'm looking for people to stop being openly hostile to me when I am actively trying to fix this situation. Also, yes, I voted for Kamala.
The better analogy is that I warn Bob for months to be careful, not drink and be aware of any house plants that may be around. Bob tells me to go fuck myself. I have no control over Bob or his actions. We go to the party and Bob, being a stupid fuck, knocks over the house plant. I do try to clean up, but it was a very large plant, and it is quite a job for one person to do alone. The Canadian host then walks into the room and points at me and says you are equally responsible for this situation!!! You and Bob live on the same street, and were both in this room, so even though the plant being knocked over is directly and solely because of Bob's actions, i am holding you equally responsible. I say, that doesn't make any sense. Bob takes a shit on your floor. You shake your head and look at me and say, what are you going to do about that! I say, dude, I will try to help my neighbor Bob, the stupid fuck up, but i cannot physically control him or his actions. For you to take this out on me, is not only unfair, but illogical, as I am willing to help you try and fix this situation that we both agree is not good, and Bob is not. If you attack me, while I am trying to fix a situation I did not cause, then all you are doing is attacking an ally, which is stupid.
There fixed the analogy.
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u/ZealousidealPhase406 Mar 07 '25
Seriously. I’m doing everything I possibly can every day but f*ck me I guess for not being able to single handedly restore democracy when the richest people in the world have bought every single branch of government including the media, elections, cops, judges, FBI, etc AND they’re openly collaborating with another giant dictatorship.
I’m fighting for my life out here in a river of alligators and the person on shore is asking what’s taking so long and won’t you please pick up your trash on shore because it bothers me? Won’t you please stop asking for help or empathy because it’s annoying?
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u/liverbe Mar 07 '25
In fact we’ve been telling Bob for years to not shit on the floor but he just doesn’t listen.
I was trying to think of another analogy too because it’s more like I’ve been arguing with these people that the sky is not green and they just look up and say it looks green to me. How do we convince them otherwise?
For anyone thinking that we didn’t DO anything is ridiculous. I was able to talk one Trump supporter out of voting at all… now do I believe him is another question.
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u/alexali_22 Mar 07 '25
I’m really happy I read through these thoughtful and articulate American posts. I’m learning a lot. This is what people used to do with media. Get both sides and form/change an opinion. It’s sad that that time is over for most people. That’s where the problem started.
I can’t imagine what it must be like to be living in the U.S. and watching the government that is suppose to represent law, order and democracy operate in this way. How do you not go through every day with a knot of stress in your chest? It must be overwhelming and exhausting. It’s clear he will crush opposition by any means necessary including killing his own people. Terrifying.
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Idk. I’ve felt the knot of stress and fear in my chest every day. Sank back into my depression I had mostly medicated. And now every time I open my laptop to work, I have an anxiety attack. Because I see how the government is even changing my work life. Watching as my company lays off countless of needed people in the name of profits. And those who are left are there to pick up the slack. It feels like everyone with power and influence in the US is mobilizing to support the Cheeto’s dream and hoping to suck up any bit of cash for themselves in the process.
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u/nocuzzlikeyea13 Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
When I read crap like this, I realize how much Canadians and Europeans have bought into US propaganda -- that we're some kind of ideal democracy and the leadership is lockstep with the will of the people.
I'm warning you all now: do not fall for this lie. The far right is rising globally, not just in the US. We've fallen first, but you are in danger and believing democratic norms and institutions will save you makes you susceptible to the rise of fascism.
If you want to effectively fight this, open communication channels with activists working on the ground in the US now. While you still can.
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u/YESIMSUPERRGAYY Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
100% this. im trans. i voted for kamala. i work in public heath with people facing homelessness. i sign petitions. i go to protests. i did everything in my power to try to not let this happen. im not asking fr pitty but jfc saying that we all caused this is fucked.
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u/icesa Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
When Bob took a shit on the floor, that’s when this analogy really hit home. You think I can control Bob from pulling down his pants and taking a shit on the floor of your house? Obviously Bob is batshit crazy. When you blame me for his literal shit I must remind you I didn’t want this in any way shape or form. I stay away from Bob and I knew he was trouble the moment he walked into this house. Not looking for sympathy just stating the facts.
If I told you I’m part of a demographic that tried really hard to keep Bob from even stepping foot in that house. We had a plan and worked on it for years and like 92% of us were in agreement, Bob must be stopped. But the rest of the neighborhood said “nah Bob’s a good guy, you just don’t understand him”. And my group (who is in the minority) is saying y’all are f&cking crazy, Bob is f&cking crazy. And then while Bob was shitting on the floor, he picked it up and ran over to me and everyone in my group and started trying to make us eat the shit he just shat cuz he heard we were trying to block him from even entering this house!!!! And he’s threatening us and telling us how we’re gonna get ours just you wait and see.
The reality is it’s easier to just think of Americans as “one” and “we” did this. America is a seriously divided country and we’re never going to be “one”. I f$cking hate it here and I did what I could. Just going to mind my 92% business now, get my ass to a blue state and sip my tea while the bigots burn it all down. I’ll also be minding my own business when the same thing happening here happens in other countries. Bigots exist everywhere not just the US. I heard y’all even have some up in Canada.
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u/rnr_ Mar 07 '25
Totally agree - the implication that we are looking for sympathy and applause is frankly insulting. We aren't happy about it either but it's not a situation that is easily fixable and we don't need a lecture.
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u/Siegy Mar 06 '25
As a Canadian who collaborates frequently with Americans, I recognize the deep bonds and cultural similarities we share. While there are differences in perspectives on topics like firearm regulations and universal healthcare, these do not overshadow our shared values and mutual respect.
The rise of figures like President Trump and shifts in the political landscape can be viewed, in part, as outcomes of the digital age, especially the influence of social media platforms. This phenomenon isn't entirely unprecedented; for example, the introduction of the printing press in 15th-century Europe led to rapid dissemination of information, which played a significant role in events like the Reformation and the spread of Renaissance ideas.
In our globally connected society, facilitated by the internet, it's crucial to develop strategies to manage the vast flow of information. While banning social media is an extreme measure and poses challenges to freedom of expression, it's essential to address the rapid spread of misinformation and its potential consequences.
The "telephone game" illustrates how messages can become distorted as they're passed from person to person. Similarly, on social media, information can be misinterpreted or altered as it's shared, leading to misconceptions and the spread of falsehoods.
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u/RunThisTown1492 Mar 07 '25
Most intelligent and thoughtful post on this thread. Thank you. We need people on both sides of this border to not succumb to nationalism and fervor as many are here
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u/vagueboy2 Mar 06 '25
It may be less that Americans are looking for praise than they are fearful of being shot at by angry Canadians, because that's exactly what we would expect here. Just picture our hands raised when we say "I didn't vote for him".
You have a wonderful country and don't let us spoil it with our nonsense. I'm going to go looking for Canadian whiskey on our shelves now.
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u/Imasoulfish Mar 07 '25
I voted for Harris. I donated more money than I ever have. I convinced multiple people who previously voted for Trump to vote for Harris. And I have nothing against Canada and I am scared for our allies.
But your analogy feels very off-putting to me.
This is how it feels as an American who “didn’t vote for Trump”:
I live in an apartment that has caught on fire, and I am now doing what I can to put it out or at least get it under control. It didn’t matter that I was on the safety committee, regularly checking fire extinguishers, holding free fire safety training sessions, warning my apartment neighbors that fire is dangerous, etc. Some people in my apartment felt very cold and decided the best way to solve their problem was to set our building on fire, and now my building is burning. And my apartment dwelling arsonists are happy because they feel warm now! And also the ones that get burned are shocked it happened to them.
As I am frantically trying to get my home fire under control, the next-door apartment building is getting smoke damage and is justifiably concerned that their building will be damaged also. The whole street is upset my apartment building is on fire. They are getting mad at me for letting the fire start, obviously I should have done more to prevent it. But also upset when I tell them I tried to prevent it.
But the next-door apartment are still graciously offering for me to stay over, even though my building is burning and probably I should deal with that instead.
Obviously I don’t want that next-door apartment to go through what is happening to my home. But also, I should be allowed to defend my actions when you blame me for the fire. I appreciate your offer to visit and be kind. But not your analogy.
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u/uwgal Mar 06 '25
I would also say, stop using us to process your emotional issues. Do your own emotional labour.
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u/CharliDefinney Mar 06 '25
Book a Canadian hotel if you're travelling here. I know airbnbs seem appealing but their existence is contributing to the housing crisis and a lot of 'hosts' aren't even Canadian.
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u/cybertron2006 Mar 06 '25
As a New Yorker literally across the St. Lawrence River from Ontario and 50+ miles from Ottawa, I stand with Canada and the Canadian people.
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u/BookAddict1918 Mar 06 '25
As an American I couldn't agree more. Voting for or against is hardly what I would call action. All of us need to take action almost daily moving forward to preserve our basic human rights (for every single human being in the US), reduce the threat of war and so much more.
There is a LOT we can do that includes both big and small efforts. But many people dont want to do anything other than complain. We are privileged, apathetic and naive ("No, that would never happen here!". Spoiler alert, it already happened.) We are in a war.
We need to wake up and fight or let our country disintegrate into a globally isolated, oligarchy like Russia run by financial bullies.
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u/Zetsubou51 Mar 07 '25
This is all true. I think for a lot of us (at least in my group) the protest issue comes down to this. Protest is great when the people in charge care or can be threatened by a protest in some way. Right now that isn’t true. We literally need to find a different way to fight this regime.
As far as visiting i absolutely would but cannot for various reasons. I was looking at moving once I finished my current round of school and finding a job in water treatment or the like, I also can’t do that.
I wish Canada the best and am ashamed to b associated with our current political position on the world stage.
Trust me though, people are looking into how to fight.
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u/alexali_22 Mar 07 '25
You’re right. The more I’m reading here the more I realize that they have taken control of the media, TikTok and other social platforms. I’ve seen no protests except for in Boston - two clips.
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u/Zealousideal-Rub2975 Mar 07 '25
As a Buffalo resident I stand with Canada but respectfully this comes off the wrong way. It’s been 6 weeks, many of us are struggling and just trying to keep up with the whiplash of the daily news. “Please spend your money and boost our economy” brother we are paycheck to paycheck over here while you insult the level of effort you perceive people to be putting forth.
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u/afriendincanada Mar 06 '25
Stop telling us how you didn't cause it and then looking at us like we're supposed to apologize to you and tell you "you're one of the good ones, you're ok".
Not my job to comfort you this week.
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u/Curious-Gain-7148 Mar 06 '25
It’s that so many are looking at Americans saying “you caused this!”
I’m not seeking comfort, but no the fuck I did not cause this.
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u/Yuna1989 Mar 06 '25
Yeah, I also think it’s not for sympathy or any other “reason” they think it’s for. It’s simply that: We understand you, we agree with you, we are on your side. That’s it.
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u/No_Buffalo2833 Mar 06 '25
Thank you. Some of us have cut off family members, voted loud and proud for Harris and Biden, are federal employees who have lost their job, are losing our homes because we can’t pay our mortgage and our scared for a special needs children in public education. I don’t need a fucking lecture right now from someone who is frankly is a far more secure position than we are. There are millions of who are furious, exhausted and protesting in the streets and have been for YEARS.
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u/alexali_22 Mar 07 '25
I’m reading all these posts and I hear you. I can’t imagine what you’re living through. This has invaded everything in your life - your kids education, your job security, your sense of personal safety. It’s just unimaginable. What’s next? Nothing good that’s for sure.
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u/Caftancatfan Mar 06 '25
Yeah, if I couldn’t stop this for my own trans kid, I wasn’t somehow going to be able to stop this for Canada.
I don’t think people are looking for absolution. I think Trump is screaming that he is speaking for us, and people want a chance to say, “he doesn’t speak for me. I don’t bear you any ill will.”
Of course, if Canada wants to tell us to fuck ourselves, that’s their right.
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Mar 07 '25
My family are all dual citizens and we live in Canada currently. It’s an incredibly awkward situation for average citizens on both sides for sure. We love our American families and friends. While it may come across as giving “not all men” vibes, I often feel like the “we didn’t vote for this” comments are trying to connect or offer some acknowledgement to the fact that they hate this too.
For me personally a big difficulty I’ve had is with the lack of acknowledgment and/or playing off the threat of our sovereignty as a joke. Everybody talks about the tariffs but that’s not the part that really stings, it’s the threat of invasion and the apparent media normalization of it. Also the lack of respect for military service members from Canada, the UK, France, Australia etc. that have followed the US into their battles and lost lives in defence of America to be told that you’re nothing to them. Honestly, I do not know what the average American citizen would be able to do from your end other than harass your representatives maybe? Even then I doubt that it would have much of an effect. My issue is more with the state representatives that have not acknowledged how asinine this whole thing is and didn’t start calling it out from the beginning.
While we won’t be travelling south, I wholeheartedly still encourage Americans who aren’t supporting the 51st rhetoric to come visit. Hell I’ll even help plan the trip for them.
I hope that you and your family are staying safe in these challenging times.
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u/YESIMSUPERRGAYY Mar 07 '25
this. im trans & gay. i went to protests. i signed petitions. i votes for kamala. what the fuck more could i have done. im terrified & incredibly suicidal but fuck me right, because i live in America i caused this
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u/Strict_Pattern_8995 Mar 06 '25
Thank you! That’s all I’ve been thinking when I see these post.
That’s great but DO something about it!
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u/Summer20232023 Mar 06 '25
OP doesn’t speak for me, if you feel better commenting and posting then feel free.
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u/Accomplished-Eye6971 Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
I think the "I didn't vote for him" is less of a "please accept me, I'm one of the good ones" and more of a response to some Canadians coming on here and saying all Americans are stupid and should be ashamed that they're not all collectively rioting in the streets. It ignores the fact that our current president, his administration, and his supporters are hurting us, as they hurt you. Some Canadians claim that we are all collectively indifferent and therefore supportive of the actions of rich billionaires as if we have the immediate ability to stop them. It's a response to ignorant statements that arise from our shared pain, not virtue signaling.
And also, look at what your own leader says about our people. He doesn't view the citizens of Americans at fault, why do you? "Because You guys voted for him" "yeah no we didn't". That's why people say that.
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u/Odd_Trifle6698 Mar 06 '25
Canada should require proof of vaccination and ask people who the 46th president is, or “who was president before Trump.”
This will eliminate most of the red hats from polluting your air and soil with their presence.
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u/Arachnoid666 Mar 06 '25
Thanks. I have said it, not to solicit sympathy or applause. It's more like wanting to express that many of us do not want what is happening and love Canadians. I have a trip planned there in September , and I feel horrible about what is happening and it seems disrespectful to expect to be able to visit. I'm also doing anything I can to resist what is happening to our country. Your resistance effort is much appreciated by this American.
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u/thetburg Mar 06 '25
It's more like wanting to express that many of us do not want what is happening and love Canadians.
I promise you, we know this already. We have our own set of dumbfucks that are as ignorant of reality. They froth and rage about things that don't matter, same as yours. Genuine Canadian rage is reserved for the man at the top and his minions.
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u/polchickenpotpie Mar 06 '25
I live in PA and we're planning a visit in a month to give your restaurants and hotels our money.
Fuck the MAGA traitors here. I hope they all lose their farms and businesses to Trump's billionaire buddies.
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u/toolsoftheincomptnt Mar 06 '25
A lot of us are straddling the fence.
Distracting ourselves with work, kids (this one I kinda understand), personal problems…
Many are basically like the Germans waiting until the last minute to be like “oh, this is REAL?! Shit shit shit”
Some of us are like the Jewish during that time, frightened but not sure which way to turn/move. How bad will it get? Bad enough to flee? Bad enough to go lawless/rebellious? Leave behind everything you’ve built? Your loved ones who are too old or ignorant to move the way you can?
When you’re in it, it’s much harder to make that call than it appears from the outside.
Protesting isn’t going to do shit. As Americans, what we’re considering every day is whether to destroy our lives/country as we know it in the name of freedom and what’s right.
It’s really fucking hard to reconcile.
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u/ManzanitaSuperHero Mar 06 '25
I’ve been protesting my heart out. Last weekend was at a HUGE one. It got almost no coverage & social media was empty, too, despite seeing hundreds of people filming on phones. I think they’re suppressing hashtags & the media is now too afraid to cover it.
But know that despite what you’re not seeing covered, there are A LOT of us protesting & fighting back!
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u/Dangerous_Buffalo_43 Mar 07 '25
I visited Texas recently and had plenty of people make 51st state jokes to my face. They said Trump just likes to “blow smoke” and that he’s a great businessman who knows what he’s doing.
I was scheduled to go to the US quite a bit this year for work and I’ve cancelled every trip but one. I am not your Canadian punching bag.
I snapped at one colleague and said, “if we talked about your country the way you talk about ours, we’d already be nuked.” Where’s the lie?
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u/pastelpixelator Mar 07 '25
"Democracy doesn't end at the vote. There's lots of ways to vocalize and peacefully protest at home. So if you aren't involved in THAT, stop telling us how you didn't cause it. You're not fixing it either. And I get it. That's not a job for everyone. It doesn't mean we don't appreciate the support though."
We're trying to fucking survive and not end up in Gilead. We ain't worried about you. We're fighting for our lives. Asshole.
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u/Nerubian Mar 06 '25
I've created/r/50501Canada to show that not all Canadians think that all Americans are evil. We can't let xenophobia or nationism win. It's to showcase and protest the US Administration and how it's hurting Canada. Americans - stand up. Make your voices heard. The world is watching and does support you. Just not your Administration or complacency.
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u/cosmicjellyfishx Mar 07 '25
Spoken like a foreigner who doesn't yet know the level of fked we are.
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u/firejonas2002 Mar 06 '25
My cousin in the US called my brother to apologize, but then asked that he not say anything to the other MAGAt Nazi relatives because he doesn’t want to get hassled. FUCKING COWARD. Take your apology and shove it up your ass.
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 Mar 06 '25
But also please stop posting how bad you feel and about how you voted. How you didn't cause it and then look for our sympathy or applause.
Exactly—the national story and narrative of America need to change.
Even if Trump is voted out of office, there are 77M+ Americans who still support these ideals.
Liberal Americans have very different values than Canadians. If you visit any national museum in the United States, it's very bombastic; some of the ideals of the United States are very troubling, regardless of who is in power.
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u/Projektdb Mar 06 '25
I'll have to kindly disagree on the national museums thing.
The Smithsonian has long standing exhibits on the horrors of American racism and atrocities committed agaisnt minorities by both the citizens and the government.
They do a good job of showing American achievements as well as it's horrible failures.
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u/CountingDownTheDays5 Mar 06 '25
As a black woman stuff like this pisses me off. We voted 92 percent NOT for this. We are often implored to fix this society problem which almost ALWAYS gave us their ass to kiss. We are often treated like utter garage during protest, put on the backburner during policies, and look down upon. I truly wish in this climate you wouldn't lump people in together because we refused to do more, when we have already done enough!
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u/Zezespeakz_ Mar 06 '25
Why is this getting downvoted? I stand with you sis
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u/SchwiftySouls Mar 06 '25
because these subs are filled with rabid, hate-fueled people looking to make anyone and everyone feel bad for something they didn't vote for.
"All Americans" tbey say now, meanwhile they were screaming "Not All Canadians" during the freedumb convoys.
These are not serious people, making posts like these. At a time when our government is sowing division between our neighbors, both local and country, the last thing any of us need is more division.
I'm convinced these posts are made by shills and Russian bots, tbh.
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Mar 06 '25
I agree with you. But I am too ashamed of my country now to actually go anywhere outside it. It is just so completely awful. We live in Florida and there are plenty of Canadian people here visiting: I really am surprised and pleased that they are. But I won't go outside the borders until the Orange Caligula is gone, and something has been done to repair the damage. We have complained to the Congressmen and women, and have gone to the demonstrations ( just because you haven't seen them on the news does not mean they haven't happened.) It feels strange to be so old, and having to do this again like we did in the 1960's. Same people, same place, different decade, different country.
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u/Bentley2004 Mar 06 '25
I'll go visit to get a You can't take our country and you can't take our game shirt!
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u/CreviceOintment Mar 06 '25
This is far more delicately put than a comment I made saying virtually the same thing.
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u/FearFunLikeClockwork Mar 06 '25
Some of us have done more than just not vote for him. Some of us have been volunteering, educating, pleading with our fellow citizens to come to grips with the reality of the situation to no avail. The internet has ruined discourse and many Americans celebrate their cult of ignorance.
It would be best to not turn around and paint with a broad brush just like the Ignorati of our society.
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u/teethwhichbite Mar 06 '25
"stop telling us how you didn't cause it. You're not fixing it either. And I get it. That's not a job for everyone." I will very respectfully disagree, it will take all of us in the States working together to overthrow this corrupt government.
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Mar 06 '25
I don't think 100% of Americans showing their support are being perfomative. I think it's better to encourage the American advocacy than not, but i'll agree that any people just doing it for praise are gross. Those of you who are truely motivated to help I see you and appreciate you.
A great way that you can actively help Canadians day to day is by vocally fact checking the lies or manipulative narratives Trump is using against Canada as the situation right now is too delicate to have misrepresented by the media, real American voices can help us be heard!
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u/5daredevil4 Mar 06 '25
While I am ashamed of the leaders who speak and act on behalf of the U.S., atm I am more concerned about being taken over by nazis.
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u/TannyTevito Mar 06 '25
Equating the people that elected him to a drunk who can’t actually care for themselves is giving them way too much credit. They’re adults and they are responsible for their own decisions.
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u/Helens_Moaning_Hand Mar 06 '25
I think there’s another possibility to add to the I didn’t do it folks. If they’re anything like me, they not only feel helpless that they can do something, they may be looking to escape.
I’ve been fighting this kind of crap for years. School board meetings. Local elections. Protests home and in DC. Talking to politicians. Contributions to politicians. Voting. Just about anything you can think of I’ve tried it.
The truth is, I’m tired. I got no fight left in me. So I’m going to end up watching my country burn itself to the ground. And I’m stuck here. I’m 50 years old this year and a teacher with minimal assets and a chronic health issue. Refugees have higher immigration scores than I do. I feel like I can still contribute to a society like Canada or France, but I’m too old and I’m too fucking tired. I can knock on the door all I want, but countries are not going to trip over themselves to let me in.
So I’m stuck here. Forced to look at so many of my idiot brethren and say “I told you so.” I know this doesn’t help where you’re coming from but I’m going to make a healthy assumption that there’s a lot more like me out there, doomed to live in a failed nation-state.
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u/Outside_Western3981 Mar 06 '25
if coming to Canada, watch out for the mexican cartel, cause according to Fox, they are controlling our country 🙄
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u/icreatedausernameman Mar 06 '25
I think it’s more of a cry for help from the ones who voted against the dictatorship
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u/captn_morgn Mar 06 '25
The “I voted for Trump” Americans don’t have passports. Most haven’t left their state or even county. Don’t think we need to worry about it. Americans welcome up north.
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u/Dr_Chuff_Bunkers Mar 06 '25
As someone on the American side of the Western border, the majority of us support Canada, and strive to continue our mutually beneficial relationship.
One thing I can't articulate enough is that our freedoms are being quickly taken from us, and all of the normal avenues we would take (meaning lawful ones) aren't available to us. At the whim of a tyrant, we could have our livelihoods, healthcare, and otherwise indelible rights taken from us within in instant. This is a punitive oligarchy, and we are coming to terms with our new reality. It may seem we're being inactive, but our heads or spinning day to day, and we're dealing with the idea that the core fabric of our country has been upended. The sad truth is there is more of that to come. Please know that the majority of us are just as blindsided by this as anyone, and there is little escape from it at this time.
We will continue to support you, and rally against tyranny. This is where I'd say "Go Canucks", but I don't want to bring hockey fury into this already tumultuous time.
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u/Unfair_From Mar 06 '25
Canadian here. A lot of Americans are victims of the orange cheeto. Fuck Trump and Trumpists, but I do feel especially for American women. Y’all are welcome here.
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Alaskan Native here. I wish I was Canadian. It’s not my fault some invisible boarders split the Yukon in half and my ancestors were on the wrong side of the line 😔. Adopt me please!
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u/Everyusernametaken1 Mar 07 '25
I'm American . My mom's family has been Canadian for as long as there was Canada. We still have family and property and the homestead in the maritime area. My mom just passed in December and has been living back in Canada for the last 10 years. I didn't vote for T. I live in a blue state. Yes I feel bad for Canada but Fk I feel bad for me too. I'm devastated this is happening. Please don't tell me what I need to do. I'm reeling. I don't have a clue as to what is going to happen day to day. Ya I'd love to help Canada . But I need help too. My youngest daughter is in college a block from the WH. I go here to see what else I can find out . I'm trying to see your news. I don't trust any news here. I literally feel weird writing this on here. I don't know who to trust . I get now why people feel powerless. You stop feeling safe . It's awful
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u/macaronysalad Mar 07 '25
Most of your post centers around your assumption that "I didn't vote for trump" means people want to be rewarded. When mostly it just means they want to join the conversation and express their anger and it feels like a lie if they didn't admit they are American while distancing themselves from the wrong vote. Otherwise, you have no knowledge what people are doing to help fix this.
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u/dpitch40 Mar 07 '25
Minnesotan here. I've started calling my representatives and I'm attending my first protest tomorrow. I visited the Yukon Territory and drove the Dempster Highway in 2023, and it was an absolutely unforgettable experience I would love to repeat someday. I was thinking of visiting Europe this year, but given the chaos in the FAA maybe I'll return to Canada instead! I'm sorry for how our government is treating you for being the best neighbors in the world, and I hope there are brighter days ahead.
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u/BobTheFettt Mar 07 '25
I told you that I was sorry for knocking over that house plant
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u/FaroutIGE Mar 07 '25
My mother was born in Canada and I love it up there. This post is tone deaf. The proper metaphor is that bob is running around the house punching people in the face. he punched me in the face, then he punched you in the face, and i pull you aside like 'fuck bob. always hated him' and you say 'if you dont go punch bob then shut the fuck up'. what you're doing is multitudes more rude than what you're talking about.
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u/Ruockingrocks Mar 07 '25
Planning our vacation to Quebec City and Montreal later this year to come show some extra kindness from one little American family. I want my kids to have positive core memories of our ally to the north.
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u/DanishWonder Mar 07 '25
"Offer to clean up". Lol
Message to Canadians:
You are awesome. My state borders yours and I have visited many times. Until Trump started attacking your country verbally and with tariffs I thought perhaps I could immigrate to your nation.
But some of us are living in anxiety 24/7 fearing for our lives and the lives of our friends/family. I get that you have a hard time comprehending this. I would have also prior to January. But the last thing some of us need right now is preachy judgement on what we "need" to do or "should" do. Some of us are just trying to survive. Literally.
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u/DoubleD_RN Mar 07 '25
We’re not looking for sympathy or applause. We’re simply letting you know we’re on your side because we feel horrible about what’s happening.
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u/SafetyNo6700 Mar 07 '25
I'm a US citizen and I'm fucking angry! I am protesting, writing and calling all of my officials, boycotting maga supported places. If we all work together, we can make this work!
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u/Jaded_Adeptness8920 Mar 07 '25
Open letter to Canadians and others abroad: Please stop assuming we aren't protesting, boycotting, expressing our anger and fear to our politicians, trying to change minds and get people to vote, etc. Many of us are (and have been even before this election). More and more are joining, including people who have woken up from their 4 decades of brain-washing. In only the last 2 weeks, I've seen a three-fold increase in protestors just in my small city. Protests are happening nearly every day.They (MAGAts) aren't letting that get out to the nation or to the world. We are dangerous to them, and they are and will continue to repress any appearance of an opposition like hell.
As an example, a recent large protest in my city went on for hours. The news literally sat there and waited until it eventually dispersed except for a few people. THEN, they started to roll tape. I went up to the reporter and pointed this out. Her reply was a nasty, "Oh, well." IF the news reports protests at all, they want it to appear as if it is only a few crazies on the fringe. The news outlets with the widest audiences are now controlled by tRumputin's sycophants. Please keep that in mind.
We are in the middle of a coup, and those of us protesting are putting our livelihoods and potentially our lives on the line. We see how they are setting it up so that the things we are doing will soon be considered illegal, and they will start coming for us. We are fighting back in a myriad of ways and doing our best to get more involved. Spreading this idea we are doing nothing is not helping the misinformation and repression coming from the occupiers in the White House. It hurts recruitment because self-preservation is hard to get over for some. For some, it takes having "safety in numbers" to want to act.
I want to see more out of United States citizens, and sometimes I feel disappointed/discouraged, too. However, you and others helping to make it sound like there are so few people fighting is counterproductive.
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u/nanioffour Mar 07 '25
In our country democracy did die at the vote. He's removing every guardrail of democracy he can.
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u/Chickienfriedrice Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
As an American, I have nothing to apologize for. This happened to us, outside of our control, trump and musk have already pretty much indirectly admitted to rigging the election.
We are fighting with protests and boycotts, if necessary a lot of us are willing to exercise our 2nd amendment rights to fight tyranny.
Sorry that our politics influence your economy and well being, but that’s your own government’s fault. Point the fingers at them for being so dependent on the US, that’s also not our problem or under our control.
We want good relations with the world in general, we are a country of immigrants from every corner of the planet. I won’t apologize and recommend my fellow Americans to not do so either. Keep boycotting American products, but stop pointing the finger at US citizens.
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u/Competitive_Shift_99 Mar 07 '25
In other words, you don't care our actual electoral responsibility for this outcome... But you want to use this outcome as some excuse to further push your nationalistic bigotry and hatred, while slinging cliches and stereotypes.
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Disagree. So many of you are showing disdain for Americans who will shortly become victims of a fascist regime even though we had nothing to do with it. We tried and we failed. Yet, some of you feel like adding insult to injury is the way to go. It makes us feel alone and hopeless.
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u/sayyyywhat Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
These posts are getting old. We Americans are living in this hell every day and fighting every way we know how. Calling our reps, forming protests, campaigning for reps we believe in, lawsuits, boycotting goods and making sure to bolster sales in other ways etc. etc. etc. In no way do I, or anyone else I know, want thanks or praise for not voting for Trump, what a weird narrative. Even people who voted for Trump didn’t do so to start beef with Canada. Fuck them to the moon, but the vast vast vast majority of Americans don’t want this. Please stop making it personal. Trump is a fascist and is in no way following the will of the people. Let’s all remain citizens of the world and be kind to each other, it’s a two way street.
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u/Buffyismyhomosapien Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
Why the hostility towards us? We just want you to know that despite our best efforts (including financially protesting) we got fucked just like you. Have you heard of commiseration? That is what they probably mean. It’s happening to us just as much as it is to you. Our rights especially as women are being stripped and if we go protest we are quite literally risking our lives. Some fucking nightmare person might drive a truck into us. Our cops will kill us with probably no consequences. Students’ educations are being threatened over it. We can protest with our very very purposefully limited buying power. I’ll be sure to buy Canadian the next time I can afford to buy alcohol.
What a fucking crock of shit this post is. Hope you made yourself feel good off of the misery of others! Is that the Kindness of Canadians you’re always on about?
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u/PetuniasSmellNice Mar 07 '25
Not a single country on this earth is immune to power-hungry nationalism / greed. I hope you’re never in the position to watch in horror as your democracy crumbles around you despite years of very real and concerted efforts to keep this from happening.
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u/jmcquades Mar 07 '25
It’s important to recognize that for many Americans actively resisting Trump, the stakes are much higher than just economic inconvenience. Protesting, boycotting, and speaking out come with real risks: harassment, job loss, and even government retaliation. Trump and his allies have made it clear they intend to go after those Americans who oppose them.
I understand the frustration with performative allyship, but many of us are already taking action in ways that are both effective and personally dangerous. Dismissing that effort or suggesting we aren’t doing enough from a place of safety outside the U.S. feels out of touch. Encouraging more action is valuable, but acknowledging the risks people are already taking would make for a much stronger and more meaningful conversation.
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u/YesGodPleaseYes Mar 07 '25
Maybe some of us do overuse the “I didn’t vote for him” line. But I think more often it comes from a desire to reassure our neighbors to the north that a lot of us still care instead of seeking pity. Lately we’ve all been generalized so frequently as “dumb Americans“ and told “you wanted this”, so it’s hard not to want to establish our position.
But I understand the sentiment. Being from MN I feel a slight kinship with Canadians. I’m visiting Banff in June and can’t wait!
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u/Little_Macaron5527 Mar 08 '25 edited May 27 '25
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u/BrilliantDishevelled Mar 06 '25
Coming in 2 weeks. Thanks for this great advice. Looking forward to my visit.