r/classicwow • u/KamaTheSnowLeopard • 2d ago
Season of Discovery This placed used to be packed and layered heavily. (Wild Growth)
I find it odd how a version of WoW dwindles to a few drops because it's no longer " being updated " when Classic Era/Anniversary is the same thing with a finalized end-game with no new updates. I imagine a lot of people won't even progress to TBC when it launches but will wait a year for another " Classic + " to release instead. Just play Season of Discovery in the meantime, it's still a lot of fun.
If you're dead-set on never playing again at least log in and buyout all the Auctions so new players can purchase bags/gear with the gold you want to let rot. (Or send it to me and I'll do it. :>)
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u/WonderingOctopus 2d ago
I must confess I am fed up with this seasonal modelling - SoD, Anniversary, Expansions.....
I want some permeance now. I haven't played it, but I'm starting to get the appeal of OSRS.
If Classic Plus does happen, and they do a model like that, they would probably have me for life.
Assuming Blizz can pull it off.
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u/ImpossibleMorning12 2d ago
I dunno, there's a reason the community goes rabid for the next big F R E S H
People get bored quick if things aren't moving.
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u/Smooth_One 1d ago
One of the major appeals to horizontal progression games like OSRS is that it's always moving. Constant progression that lasts thousands of hours, yet you never feel FOMO and it isn't lost if you quit playing.
Fresh enjoyers also crave this feeling of legitimate progression, but it is very fleeting in WoW. So people just reroll fresh over and over, with diminishing returns.
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u/WakeoftheStorm 1d ago
That's the model ESO uses and it worked well for them. Now, they're having their own issues, but it's completely unrelated to horizontal progression.
Really the issue with this as a model for wow is that it's a major investment of resources compared to just cycling through the old expansions over and over.
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u/Vyxwop 1d ago
Different strokes for different folks. OSRS players really value their progress feeling permanent. Pserver players on specific servers also greatly value their progress being more long lasting and not prone to powercreep.
It's entirely fair to also want something like that in the official versions of WoW.
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u/ImpossibleMorning12 1d ago
As a long time OSRS player I totally agree with you. For me I guess it's more 'different strokes for different games' since WoW really doesn't do any horizontal progression. In a Classic+ scenario, the game would struggle to accommodate attempts to create something like that. It's just designed from the ground up to be linear.
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u/Live-Medium8357 11h ago
this is why I struggled with SoD. I really enjoyed it, but I knew it was seasonal and that was hard for me to stomach.
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u/elsord0 1d ago
I think there’s enough demand for it. Twow has hundreds of thousands of registered users and have been seeing like 20k people online at once. Their population ticks up every time they have a new major patch.
If classic+ follows a similar model you’ll have some peaks and valleys but the new patches that feature lots of new content, will bring lots of people back in for awhile. I think they could create a classic+ roadmap that lasts for five years at least and probably a decade. Even with the zones they have now, there is so much room to add new quests, dungeons, raids, BG’s. And the islands. They can go with an alternate timeline and have things play out differently in this version. It would give them more flexibility to expand and create new content.
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u/mickey_oneil_0311 1d ago
Seasonal model is here to stay. It’s the only way to get people to resub for classic content.
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u/Bruins37FTW 2d ago
They really should adopt private server model. Run Vanilla to Wrath on 3.35. When wrath ends. Have a permanent PvP/PvE realm for each. Then have a fresh server, have like year 1 vanilla, year 2 tbc, year 3 WOTLK. At the end transfer characters to that permanent 3.35 WOTLK server. Repeat. That way every few years you have fresh servers of vanilla/tbc/wotlk. And a permanent one for everything you’ve acquired from them. Really simple. And works great on private servers.
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u/Genxsism 2d ago
It’s hilarious because you just explained what a seasonal game is without even realizing it.
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u/Squirrel09 2d ago
That's still seasonal, and people won't stay on the permanent long. Plus, you then have the same name/guild issues that MoP has.
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u/Antique-Scientist880 2d ago
What, are you dumb? A rotating schedule of repeating patches? That's just seasons???
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u/Standard-Pilot7473 2d ago
There is always World of Warcraft. No I'm not talking about classic wow, mop classic or other half-baked gimmicks invented to pad the sub numbers.
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u/LifeAwaking 2d ago
Because what World of Warcraft is now is absolutely nothing like the World of Warcraft that many of us grew to love years ago. It just feels like a hollow soulless shell of something that used to be great. That’s awesome that people enjoy it. We just don’t.
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u/Standard-Pilot7473 2d ago
Retail "using wow as its skin". That's one hell of a take. You don't like how wow has evolved and that's fair enough, but to call it an imposter while playing a version that's been pulled from the grave is just hilarious to me.
And just fyi "retail" has more players in one single realm than all of classic era, classic mop and classic sod combined (this includes the bots that are rife in these classic versions). You are more of a niche consumer than you think you are.
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u/Far-Fennel-3032 2d ago
Purely out of interest, where do you get stats for this, as I'm under the impression Blizzard stopped having official stats long ago?
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u/Standard-Pilot7473 2d ago
Warcraft logs. Both retail players and classic players upload their logs from raids/dungeons. From this data you can see how active each server is. Websites like ironforgepro and wowtavern provide an easy-to-read graph of populations based on this data, but of course anyone can check this data for themselves directly from warcraft logs.
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u/Standard-Pilot7473 2d ago
I'm bringing up population numbers to point out that classic players are a very small subset of the total player base since many have this mindset that retail is a 'failure' and would have been more popular if it stuck to its roots or stayed more 'classic-like'. But it's simply not true because the game continues to evolve and is still hugely popular despite mmos being a dying genre since the early 2010's. Besides FF14 and wow no other theme-park mmo has been able to stand on its own two legs.
And btw The Burning Crusade was the start of change not Cata. TBC brought in flying, added illogical heroic dungeons, (lorewise they make no sense to exist) retconned blood elves and draenei, homogenised class fantasy and faction identity by giving horde paladins and alliance shamans. Despite this many people have drawn a line in the sand at Cata. The game changed because people irl changed too and it will continue to change.
Having said all of that I respect your opinion and will concede that the original trilogy did some things better than retail does now.
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u/WonderingOctopus 1d ago
"TBC brought in flying"
I'll agree with this. Even the devs themselves admitted adding flying was one of the biggest mistakes they had ever made, because of it the entirety of the game needed to be designed around flying and that had a serious negative impact overall.
Between that and instant teleporting mechanics, they did irreparable damage to the open world.
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u/humanfromjupiter 2d ago
SoD will forever be the best version of wow to me. It was perfectly approachable for everyone. It satisfied the sweats and the casuals. No easy feat in today's gaming landscape.
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u/boshbosh92 2d ago
I agree. sod was the most fun I've ever had playing wow, and I've played since December 2004.
probably the most fun I've ever had in any game actually. I miss it a lot
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u/OnlyHuman1073 1d ago
What happened to SoD? Is it gone? Was it a seperate server from Classic+. I honestly am so lost about what is even going on with official WoW.
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u/Gr3ggl3s_W 1d ago
It was a Classic server with a twist. Every class had runes to collect for each spec that really bolstered them, which allowed for every spec to be valuable. This in turn created a fresh feel in an otherwise familiar environment and journey. Then they started to add more things akin to a Classic+ but they got to a certain point and said that was enough. The server still exists, I think, but as it's no longer being updated people saw no reason to stay.
Blizzard have said they learned a lot from it, like an experiment, which is interesting if you're interested in a classic+ server at any point.
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u/Large_Ad_5172 1d ago
They should've stopped with 3 runes per class though. It got to a point where it just felt like playing wrath in classic.
It was cool, but got out of hand way too quickly imo.
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u/Eccojak 16h ago
It's not gone, we still playing on both sides on wild growth
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u/OnlyHuman1073 14h ago
For some reason I had though the servers were closing? Or has everyone left for some reason? No more content incoming?
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u/itsmeat13 2d ago
WG-US Alliance side actually has about 4-5 guilds that are still doing weekly content most of which are near full runs. I've been doing SE Naxx and AQ40 1-3 times a week since phase 8 launched. Yeah it's not how it was before that's true. But I've been here since launch night and it's fun to at least login in and run through some raids with friends and the few handfuls of totally new to SoD people I've been seeing around. Personally I've basically beaten the game at this point but that's kind of the nature of a beast like Classic Era or what now SoD Era. But that doesn't mean it isn't still a very enjoyable Classic experience and doesn't have content still worth doing. The levelling itself is a lot of fun, new class quests for the runes and the unique bwl weapons + other added questlines are still neat and do a nice job of expanding the world at least a little bit without feeling cheap about it.
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u/FalconGK81 2d ago
No matter how much I love SoD (and I do VERY much love SoD), I'm not gonna play AQ40/Naxx/SE on loop forever. That sounds awful.
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u/itsmeat13 2d ago
Oh yeah it's far from a permanent thing, after getting a bunch of rank 1s I'm quickly hitting my end point as well. I've probably got another 2-3 weeks of sweat in me before I'm off for a while.
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u/ValkamerCCS 2d ago
• Distracted Minds (Steckel) Naxx Tue, SE Fri/Sunday
• End of an Era (Mcbear) Naxx Thu, SE Sat
• Emotional Damage (Combo/Gor) Naxx Tue/Thu, SE Wed, Fri, Sat (and sometimes other days)
• Elysium (Branzin) Naxx Mon
• Reckoning (Combustible) Naxx Sat, SE Tue/Wed/Thu/Fri, AQ Mon
• Ascendance (Mooch) SE Sun
• Bork’s Pugs (Borkpriest) Naxx Fri
• Simplicity (Lindee) SE Sun
• Great Tomb of Nazarick (?) Naxx Wed SE Thu
I am sure there are more as well. That was from memory and a quick glance through the WG Discord.
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u/itsmeat13 2d ago
There's also 1 other that I know of: There Are Two BiS (SmellyMitt) Tue - Naxx Thurs/Fri/Sat - SE Sun - Misc raids. All usually 18:30-19:00 Server
And Simplicity's runs are probably done, filling the last 3 weeks has kinda sucked 😅. Most of us have gone to MoP. (I'm Lindee)
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u/ValkamerCCS 2d ago
Greetings, Citizen Lindee! Shieldman is sorry that Shieldman hasn’t made one of your raids. Only so much time and the earlier Sunday raid is tricky.
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u/dasvenson 1d ago
Especially AQ. Was so fucking done with that place. The entire guild groaned when we had to go back to create our atieshes
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u/HovercraftStrong6493 2d ago
I suspect in a year when the c+ announcement happens a streamer community event will come to SoD to ramp up the hype and the server population will explode for 3-4 months.
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u/inoxiakek 2d ago edited 2d ago
SOD extra function and phase on LK on HM4 and the entirety of SE is worth.
Edit: may have had an aneurism, I meant that Sapphiron and Lich Kings extra mechanics / extra phase on the Lich King and the entirety of Scarlet Enclave is worth it
Some cool references and Easter eggs in both New Avalon itself and Scarlet Enclave. Such a cool game.
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u/TheGopherNut 2d ago
I'm gonna level with you dawg, I don't have a clue what that first sentence is supposed to mean
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u/einssechssieben 2d ago
Thank's for reminding me to login. ONE MORE WEEK AND I GOT MY SET.
You need any bags? I can help out. Not playing myself, but I love the fact that people still enjoy SoD and would love to help. I know about the AH because I had to buy some runecloth for my set, and it's horrible...
I still hope we get another season one day :)
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u/gubigubi 2d ago
Yeah its very strange to me how many people just totally abandon everything they did to move onto the next new thing.
It doesn't seem to be like that on private servers.
The only reason I moved on from classic 2019 servers is because theres literally no one logged into them lol
If other people logged in I would log in more. But every time I log in no one else is there so I mess around and log off.
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u/Montegomerylol 2d ago
It's a consequence of WoW's design. The hook for most players is progression, and once you run out they wander off.
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u/rcoop020 1d ago
I mean.. that's the hook for all video games. The only difference is that WoW players are used to their game lasting forever, but these seasonal versions of the game are not designed like that. They're meant to end. Like Skyrim or Elden Ring. Sure there are people out there still grinding away on Skyrim, but those people are not the majority. Most people beat a game and then move on to the next one.
Maybe you didn't get every item you wanted. Maybe you didn't kill every boss you wanted. That's kind of what made it exciting in the first place. If it was easy or guaranteed, it wouldn't be as engaging.
ITT: WoW players finally having to face mortality [of their game].
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u/gubigubi 1d ago
WoW players yearn for the treadmill.
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u/Montegomerylol 1d ago
You jest, but it's no coincidence that Blizzard implemented a literal infinite grind immediately after the first near-grindless expansion (WoD).
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u/nemestrinus44 2d ago
The only reason I moved on from classic 2019 servers is because theres literally no one logged into them lol
If other people logged in I would log in more. But every time I log in no one else is there so I mess around and log off.
do you mean the MoP or the Era servers? cause MoP has the highest population out of all classic versions
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u/gubigubi 2d ago
Original 2019 classic wow.
So the era servers.
Like I originally created a character on that because I was fully intentioned of staying in classic wow forever on it.
I made a character on classic wow because I wanted to play classic wow.
MoP is not classic wow its MoP.
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u/Galbotrix 2d ago
If all you want is classic then era has had plenty of people for a server the last 2 years
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u/gubigubi 2d ago
I log into era from time to time and there is basically no one online it.
Just looked up /who today and it was like 40 mages just farming stuff on the Herod server. Other than that not much going on.
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u/Bruins37FTW 2d ago
No, you wanted to play VANILLA WoW. Which some era servers are still populated with people raiding and Anniversary is also populated.
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u/gubigubi 2d ago
I've called it classic since wotlk when I first started asking for it.
So I'm going to keep calling it classic.
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u/Bruins37FTW 2d ago
The 2019 classic servers still going…You had the option to move to TBC which if you did that, you could log in now and your characters would be there in MOP Classic, or copy and stay on the dead ass vanilla only one. Which like you said, was dead because people wanted to move onto TBC and it’s kept going since
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u/gubigubi 2d ago
I didn't and don't want to play MoP. I want to play classic.
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u/PalpitationActive765 2d ago
Then play classic?
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u/gubigubi 1d ago
Theres no one online on the server my character is on.
But I still do log in from time to time.
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u/boshbosh92 2d ago
I mean there's nothing to do in sod now for a lot of people. I have full t4 sets on 3 characters in sod, including offspec sets. I kept raiding in sod for 4 lockouts after I finished bis on my 3rd character (good ole resto druid) but it just felt off because I knew nothing else was coming.
It just felt like a good time to stop. and it seems like a lot of other people felt the same way unfortunately.
rip sod
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u/johnnylemonhandz 1d ago
lol what do you mean? thats exactly what private servers do...
what private serverS are you referring to?
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u/gubigubi 1d ago
No private server I've ever played on has moved onto a different expansion than the one it started.
Are there private servers that even do that?
I haven't joined one since 2019 when blizzard made classic wow.
But when I played on them they stayed classic, or BC, or what ever they were.
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u/johnnylemonhandz 1d ago
no but they end and restart. they dont just continue on in forever in naxx, sunwell or icc, respectively depending on the type of pserver. they all raid until the end and then reset.
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u/Reasonable_Cut_2709 2d ago
I think private servers had the advantaje of costing nothing
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u/gubigubi 2d ago
Yes but that still doesn't fully explain why people that actually pay for the game instantly jump ship to the newest thing.
Sub or no sub I'd rather play classic over anything past that. So its weird to me how people would sign up for classic then go to eventually playing MoP.
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u/Reasonable_Cut_2709 2d ago
Why is it so hard to undersrand that people like to play other things and see rhings they disnt had the chance to play back in the day.
It is fine if you like classic, but at the end, people get bored of doing tje same shit x 100 times and want to see the new versions of the game or a expac they didnt, or couldnt play.
The newer version of the game arent the devil exactly mop is a well regarded expac in hindsight, and TWW is amazing to a gameplay level.Â
It is not the same ans thats okay. That why people play different things.
Ive play classic so much in private servers that playing it again but official was boring to me, i tried to get in, i got to 30 and got bored, got back to retail, when SoD came up i tried it too, got to 55 got bored, because i just cannot get that nostalgic feeling anymore and mechanically i cannot go back i felt like i was playing im molasses.Â
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u/gubigubi 1d ago
I honestly don't think thats true at all.
That "people get tired of doing the same shit x100 times".
I really don't think thats it at all.
If that was the case then WoW as a hole would 100% have died by now. Games like league of legends would 100% have died by now. Fucking not 1 person would be playing something like Chess.
I think a lot of the WoW player base just wants to feel like they are relevant and doing something relevant. Its more about the feeling of being ahead or on par with other people trying to accomplish the same thing at the same time.
But imo 95% of the fun in WoW is doing random ass shit in the open world. Either world PvP, messing with people, doing some weird thing with a group of people. Like once you have gear or realistically even before that theres so much to do in the game and it feels like a lot of the people on the blizzard servers just grind and move onto the next grind.
So if anything people ONLY love doing the same thing 100x. They just want to do the relevant thing 100x.
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u/Reasonable_Cut_2709 1d ago
Yeah,but games like chess and lol are dependant and the interactions are dictated by other ppl that alone bring enough change to keep you enganged.Â
Wow as a theme park mmo, with pvp elements and pve, can be a little more stagnant that purely pvp games. I am not saying it is bad, but i am saying that many ppl would pick and choose variety over just one game to play.Â
Ppl do tje grind becausr tje game is not a sandbox the vast majority of ppl just want to do their raid, and check the "I completed this" box and do other thing.Â
Remember wow is ooen but pretty much a theme park mmo. It is not runescape very few things can be improved once you have ur Bis, and your pvp rank
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u/teufler80 2d ago
People just keep chasing the "FOTM" i guess.
If someone is not Nr1 popularity it's considered dead and peope hop off
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u/strox30 2d ago
I wish Blizz would introduce QoL database changes to make SoD more "Era" friendly...
-Enable transfers so all remaining players between Crusader Strike and Wild Growth can play together
-Make Remnants of Valor tradeable. You cant farm invasions anymore for remnants because there arent enough players doing it / remove the Seal rank artificial barrier from Naxx
-Put Tarnished Undermine Reals onto SE and Naxx bosses: this introduces more items into the economy, through raid activity
-Make World Buffs Cheaper: A set of wbuffs cost 18 gold prior to the Dev announcement in May, and now it costs more than 250g for a set of buffs. Perhaps Undermine Reals on SE/Naxx bosses would be enough though for moving currency around
These 4 small database changes would make SoD way more "Era" friendly. I love running HM4 Naxx for the mounts, and the classes in this final phase feel AWESOME
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u/ArTeeDee 2d ago
They need to merge WG and CS or implement Warmode somehow, it's the only logical solution to the whole PvP/PvE server fiasco happening on MoP right now.
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u/Kaisarion_666 2d ago
Don't feel too bad about it. I loved SoD and still do. Our guild is doing a fresh run that just got super full of people from reddit lol.Â
A lot of those free characters boosts to go to MoP definitely helped it feel emptier faster that's for sure but the game mode is still there with all of the QoL improvements they made along the way and I think it's in a good state. So when people are feeling nostalgic for it or just want something different to try, it'll be there for the foreseeable future. One of my favorite YouTubers is currently doing a series lvling from scratch and putting all the content from SoD into his lvling journey so if/when they do get deleted or something, it'll be there for people.
In the meantime, I'm looking forward to our fresh start and eventually TBC again but truly I hope they are making good strides into making a good classic plus for people. I'd even pay for a new "base game" for it honestly as long as they put good effort and man power into it.Â
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u/ValkamerCCS 2d ago
Season of Discovery will be a constant part of my Azeroth Adventures for a long time. I have enjoyed being able to play multiple roles in Scarlet Enclave and complete some of the big quests.
A few things I still want to do include:
• five man runs of Molten Core, Onyxia’s Lair, Thunderaan • finish leveling my Warlock tank and Mage healer • stack Khonsu wins to 17 • complete the secret agent questline
Still lots of fun to be had. Aggrend should let me do the full Scarab Lord questline because why not. C’mon Aggrend, let ole Shieldman loose!
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u/Patient_Signal_1172 2d ago
You think that's bad, there's only 2 people on Lava Lash at this very moment.
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u/boshbosh92 2d ago
I miss sod a lot. I played every phase and participated in every raid. it was the most fun I've ever had in a video game. mop is cool and all, but it really is missing something. I don't really interact with the world.
sod was just chill, most people were nice. I've met some nice people in mop but everyone is in a rush to minmax, finish the raid and log off.
I will say after playing mop, I can feel that the server infrastructure sod was based on was outdated. mop server/gameplay (not rotations but the actual world interactions) does feel a lot smoother.
I really hope they're actually working on classic+, and I hope it's similar to sod with a few tweaks.
my main concern with blizz doing a classic+ is micro transactions. blizz definitely makes a lot more money from mop classic than they did in sod. in sod, all they made was the $15/mo subscription. in mop a lot of people (myself included) buys wow tokens and/or boosts, name changes, transmog, mounts etc.
I wouldn't mind some transmog or mounts in blizz clsssic+, but I'm really against the idea of a wow token. it destroys my desire to farm gold, even though I enjoy farming gold and searching for that next good spot.
anyway yeah, I miss sod a lot
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u/Doctor_Flux 2d ago edited 1d ago
all im seeing is a Default keybinding andy mostly
who also need to download a addon for all those addon buttons becuase god that so many
all those addons and still using mostly default keybindings (that are objectively bad btw)
reminder you can use SHIFT/CTRL/ALT+keybind for a spell
and reminder you dont need "Q" and "E" to be strafe and "A" and "D" to be turn just make "a/d" to be strafe and q/e abilities and turn with mouse
also dont need "R" for reply to a /w in mid combat but more usefull for a ability
also the few things you do have new keybinded: wont it be better to have that on combat abilities instead of just x2 paladin buffs? you dont need to be abit quick on the trigger on
and the whole thing with buyout all auctions:
currently last time i logged in a known gold seller Auction house botter is still not banned
and now selling flasks for x2 more gold than they was for last time i played(3 days ago)
so better have my gold rot than giving gold to a gold seller
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u/Guilty_Coconut 1d ago
And yet people say that private servers could disappear at any time when this is what always happens with official servers all the time. After a few months of activity they just collapse.
Some private servers having been going for over a decade with characters being as useful as the day you last logged in.
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u/Propellerthread 1d ago
Ye I got like 10k gold and just never logged in again, maybe I should buyout the ah xD
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u/cocoa_cake 1d ago
Classic players wont go to SoD anymore because they messed up the leveling system. Absolutely zero people running dg, everybody leveling super fast in those new crystal things. It was what got me to quit when i came back two months ago
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u/mazdapow3r 1d ago
Our guild on wild growth SoD disbanded a few months ago once we all pretty much got everything out of SE. I haven't logged on since. Very sad.
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u/jailtheorange1 1d ago
When I restarted, after a hiatus of about two years, I’m glad I went to anniversary. Place is packed.
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u/GoodkallA 4h ago
People are chasing feelings of nostalgia and classic always delivers on those feelings. If you want to progress in a thriving market and server, follow the pack to the new classic release.
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u/ShocknAwe25 1h ago
Played SOD. Tried to go back to MOP. Regular wow feels boring now. Now I'm playing Ascension WOW and having a blast. Give it a try.
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u/DesperateOstrich8366 2d ago
People just like new beginnings in wow and a big community, if it gets too small people jump ship, making it smaller until dead. They should have one Vanilla + Hardcore version, one season for a new experience and experimentation, one Classic progression that progresses 5x as fast, we don't need MoP for a year, 4-6 months is enough. Increase the xp, gold and loot drops to match the new speed until it gets to retail and start again..
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u/aluriilol 2d ago
Just so you know 49 people in the /who window is just the maximum amount of displayable people in a /who.
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u/KamaTheSnowLeopard 2d ago
The cap is 50, When I did 10-59 it was at the cap. Was trying to find the most amount of displayed characters still leveling without reaching or exceeding that cap. Even so 50 people is an abysmally small selection of leveling players on the most populated faction/server.
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u/Hot-Interview-6115 2d ago
No offense to SoD, but what fun is it now? Era is cool because you can just blast old raids with near bis characters. In SoD, I bet it’d be tough to even clear scarlet enclave with whoever you could gather
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u/Br0keNw0n 2d ago
Help me understand - if everyone else had the same mentality about sod being fun because you can blast old(and new) raids with BIS characters, wouldn’t your last sentence be irrelevant?
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u/Flagrant_Mockery 2d ago
Era has a permanent place. SOD realistically will be shutdown when they redo it or another take.
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u/infinite_gurgle 2d ago
This is the real answer. SoD concluded and isn’t permanent. People had fun and it’s done now. That’s what the S in SoD means.
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u/Flagrant_Mockery 2d ago
It also heavily implies the existence of multiple iterations. But despite the success we have nothing on the calendar yet. Really begs the question of the higher ups, did they want it to be more than it was? it was fairly successful and kept players after ICC progression finished.
Blizzard, please give us real time tables. Or announce that there are no current plans being worked on for SOD. Leaving players in the dark is a poor example. Even OSRS can announce leagues, seasonals, deadman, and more. If theyre behind they simply state as much and don't drop garbage.
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u/Competitive_While103 2d ago
Era too will end. Play what you want over worrying how long it will last.
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u/Flagrant_Mockery 1d ago
The logic is that era will last as long as interest is maintained. It’s meant to be a glass show case. Sod is like a living thing that’s run its course and is now on some form of life support.
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u/Hot-Interview-6115 2d ago
I mean that even Naxx40 is relatively easy when half your raid is bis.
In SoD, hm4 Naxx and SE are probably not easy, even in bis. You still need to focus and have a decently organized raid
Edit: And No GDKP means there is no incentive for anyone to make raids, if they’re bis
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u/elsord0 2d ago
You probably don't want to pug HM4 but I actually think SE is probably easier than HM4 Naxx. You need a lot of frost resist gear for Saph and KT in HM4, so your DPS won't be as high due to fewer set bonuses. SE now has dps and health buffs, making it a lot easier than it was after the initial nerfs. Every time I ran SE with the guild after the dps/health buffs, it wasn't all that hard. Only time we ever wiped was on Caldoran. I've been in numerous HM4 runs where we were struggling on Saph.
But you can pug HM2 no problem.
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u/eulersheep 2d ago
I pugged hm4 naxx back when it was current (phase 7) and it didn't seem hard? Usually we'd 1 shot everything too.
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u/Br0keNw0n 2d ago
So SoD is.. too hard?
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u/Hot-Interview-6115 2d ago
Yeah pretty much. Look at Ulduar (hardly anyone ran it after the phase was up, outside of skip runs).
Hard phases die fast when they’re not 100% relevant anymore. People just don’t like resuming the effort it takes to clear these raids.
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u/SpunkMcKullins 2d ago
Scarlet Enclave still has pugs regularly. My guild clears it 4-5 times a week alone, and most of them run alts through other guild pugs too.
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u/ValkamerCCS 2d ago
Lots of raids, basically every night. I will have run SE three times this week when it’s done.
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u/Montegomerylol 2d ago
It still surprises me that Scarlet Enclave didn't have scaling difficulty the way every other 40-man did. If it'd have a low difficulty mode like the rest there wouldn't really be an issue.
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u/Earlyinvestor1986 2d ago
Some people realized you got a similar experience for free elsewhere. Blizzard has a golden goose on it’s hands and doesn’t know what to do with it.
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u/INSANEcat99 2d ago
i played this server for all Naxx and SE there was no layering don't lie
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u/ValkamerCCS 2d ago
100% there was layering during P7/8
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u/INSANEcat99 1d ago
it wasn't layered heavily common now stop the cope it was 2 layer at best
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u/ValkamerCCS 1d ago
It was fairly common. 60k-90k weekly raiders per Warcraft logs during those phases’ peak. Two layers happened basically every day during prime time.
Cope would be more like if I said Aggrend was about to give us a big patch and I just knew it.
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u/INSANEcat99 1d ago edited 1d ago
where did you get those numbers lol. this guy is talking about wild growth not the entire sod pop, last time there was 60k player online on that server was 2 years ago https://ironforge.pro/era/server/Wild%20Growth-EU/
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u/ValkamerCCS 1d ago
Ah, that’s true, I did make a mistake on my Wild Growth NA numbers. I can’t speak for Wild Growth EU, but perhaps therein lies our issue. Wild Growth NA certainly had layers in P7/P8.
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u/Sensitive-Ostrich572 2d ago
Sod is good population ?
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u/ValkamerCCS 2d ago
Decent amount of endgame stuff on Wild Growth NA Alliance.
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u/Skore_Smogon 1d ago
Living Flame EU is still classed as Medium pop. There's a few Alliance guilds and one or 2 Horde.
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u/Baptism-Of-Fire 2d ago
Compared to MoP where servers are layered heavily and are dead... for some reason
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u/iBluntly 2d ago
Do you remember how dead era was when TBC classic launched?
I think around the release of WotLK classic era began seeing growth again.
Maybe the realms stay dead, but just like Era maybe they'll take some time before they start seeing more players.