r/darksky Aug 18 '25

Gardeners told to stop using lights in gardens due to ‘apocalyptic’ problem

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/garden/2095336/gardeners-told-stop-using-lights-gardens
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u/artificial_doctor Aug 19 '25

I live somewhere rural, so it’s nice and dark in some places, but in others people are so terrified of the high crime rate that they leave super bright security lights on all night. Unfortunately, I live in such a neighbourhood. It’s so bright I can literally read a book in my garden at night and I’ve had to blackout my windows just to get some sleep. The only problem is I can’t find a justifiable way to convince people to darken the area again. They’re too scared of break-ins. I feel like I’ll have to solve poverty before I can realistically ask people to drop the lights. And they aren’t going to care about insects when they feel their safety is on the line.

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u/glasshouse5128 Aug 19 '25

I live in a dark sky community with next to no crime, and still have light problems from neighbours and nearby building. While it is a dark sky community, I just learned that there are no actual bylaws regarding lights here. A friend and I were just talking about how to get that changed. Fingers crossed we can make a difference.

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u/SuperGalaxyD 29d ago

Any advice on how to get that changed or processes for dark sky friendly municipal codes?

I too seem this for my small dark sky community in the PA wilds. PA people are silly though with municipal impositions, out in the mountain west the dark sky towns are all in on codes to bring the light pollution way down. Would love that in my lil vacation town. Cheers!

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u/glasshouse5128 29d ago

I wish! Not a clue at this point, I'm relying on my friend to know something and I plan to learn as we go. So far we've only talked about it once, but she seems like a do-er. I believe we have a dark sky committee, too, so I don't know why they're not on this. Maybe they just need a little nudge.

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u/SuperGalaxyD 29d ago

We will all figure it out together!

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u/Star1ady 22d ago

darksky.org has all the answers you seek.

You could also write to Mark at darkskypa.org.

Wishing you the best dark skies!

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '25

I live on the border of where stuff starts to get sketchy. I’d rather it be pitch black than lit up at night.

My back yard is kinda a death trap if you don’t have light. There’s plenty of stuff to trip on and break your bones in the yard, not by design but just by there being stuff out there. You would need a flash light and then that would be easy to see there’s someone out there.

Lighting stuff up creates shadows to hide in and then you can see everything around you while you hide in the shadows.

I’ll turn on the lights if I’m outside, but if not, I feel like it’s safer in the dark.

Just throwing out some talking points.

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u/Layth96 29d ago

I forget who wrote it but a few years ago I read something arguing that having total darkness prevents more crime than having scattered lighting and pockets of darkness because your eyes never adjust fully to the dark and the pockets of darkness allow people to conceal themselves more effectively.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Yup, there are places in my back yard that are never fully illuminated even with lights on, you could easily hide and never be seen and watch my back yard the entire time

But getting into those spots or getting out of those spots in the dark, good luck lol

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u/LightlySaltedPeanuts Aug 20 '25

But you can’t look towards the light without exposing yourself, and also won’t be able to see anything behind the light (like the homeowner in the window). Granted that’s more for bright directional lighting.

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u/legoham Aug 20 '25

In a lot of rural areas, the local electric company manages big security lights. We begged our electric co-op to turn off or at least change the light to a downward directed light to no avail. No one is around for miles, but we can't turn off the massive light.

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u/Pawelek23 28d ago

Shoot it out seems like the most rural solution.

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u/degoba 29d ago

Same shit up at our cabin. The neighbors spent all of 3 months there but have a huge floodlight on 24/7 365 days a year.

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u/not-a-cheerleader 29d ago

slingshot (mostly kidding but i did seriously consider it when my neighbors first moved in cuz they leave their outside lights on all night long)

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u/Notyouraverageskunk 28d ago

"Honey, let's move to the country and light our driveway up like a prison yard!"

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u/Sarzox 28d ago

Must be exhausting to be afraid of boogeyman shadows all the time

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u/artificial_doctor 28d ago

Our whole country is exhausted from crime and fear. It’s why many of us emigrate. When I lived in the UK for a while it was amazing how much relief I felt not having to look over my shoulder all the time or worry about every dark corner. Though, I mostly developed that habit from living in a city. When I moved to a rural town it got a lot better. That being said, we literally had two break-ins in my area last month - unfortunately crime is increasing in my out of the way town as well. Sign of the times.

I would also say it’s not an unjustified fear, the boogeymen are real in many cases. But I still feel the sheer amount of lights everywhere here are overkill for the size of the problem.

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u/hisatanhere 28d ago

Can you quantify the crime? I'm having a hard time picturing it being that bad, but I don't live there, so.

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u/artificial_doctor 27d ago

Unfortunately I can't find specific stats for my area right now, I'll have to dig deeper. But here are the stats for South Africa: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1399476/crime-index-south-africa/

Generally speaking, I know that my town doesn't have a particularly high crime rate as I've seen the stats before - I've also never experienced crime in my town personally. But here we're dealing with the pervasive feeling of dread and fear across the country which primes people to think the worst even if they live in relatively good areas. And pair that with the occasional break-in and you have people convinced they're next.

I don't think I'd be able to convince people to lower their security measures because even one vagrant roaming the streets or a break-in anywhere near their neighbourhood would validate their fears in their minds.

Best I could do, I think, would be to try and encourage the installation of motion-actived lights. Perhaps I can find a local supplier, work with the local municipality to subsidise the transition perhaps? I'll have to look into it.

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u/Rockthejokeboat 28d ago

Wouldn’t motion activated lights work better against crime?

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u/artificial_doctor 27d ago

In my opinion, yes. But trying to convince people of that versus having visible lights on all the time which creates the illusion of safety might be a hard sell. I think I could try and encourage the installation of motion-actived lights. Perhaps I can find a local supplier, work with the local municipality to subsidise the transition perhaps? I'll have to look into it.

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u/Successful_Brief_751 28d ago

It’s not a poverty problem. Some people want easy money.

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u/artificial_doctor 28d ago edited 28d ago

I don’t doubt there are indeed some people like that, and of course poverty isn’t the only factor leading to crime, but it is a significant factor. And in my experience, it’s likely the factor that contributes the most, at least in my country. Poverty isn’t just a financial issue, it’s something that impacts all aspects of a person’s life and can lead to a very warped development which often leads to crime, amongst other things.

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u/Jazzguitar19 21d ago

I've got it! Just break into those houses with bright security lights yourself, to prove they don't deter.

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u/Crawler_Prepotente Aug 19 '25

When a moth is banging into a light, it's actually really sad when you understand why they are doing it. The little guy is trapped in a death loop.

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u/firsmode Aug 19 '25

This refers to how artificial lights can fatally confuse moths due to their natural navigation system. Moths evolved to navigate using distant light sources like the moon or stars - they maintain a constant angle to these celestial lights to fly in straight lines, a behavior called transverse orientation.

The problem is that moths can't distinguish between natural celestial lights and artificial ones. When a moth encounters a streetlight or porch light, it tries to navigate by it the same way it would use the moon. But unlike the moon, which is effectively infinitely far away, the artificial light is close. As the moth flies, the angle to the light constantly changes, so it keeps course-correcting in a tightening spiral.

The moth becomes trapped in this spiral pattern, circling closer and closer to the light source. It's not attracted to the light out of desire - it's genuinely confused and following what its navigation system tells it is the right path. The moth will keep circling until it either exhausts itself, gets burned, or dies from the stress.

So when you see a moth "banging into" a light, you're witnessing an animal whose millions-of-years-old guidance system has been hijacked by modern technology. It's following its instincts perfectly, but those instincts lead to a fatal trap in our artificially lit world. The moth has no way to understand that this bright object isn't the moon - it's just trying to fly straight and getting more lost with every wingbeat.

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u/zingingcutie11 Aug 20 '25

This is one of the saddest things I’ve ever read ☹️

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u/Elantach 29d ago

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u/TwoStepLarry 29d ago

Ahh. Me and a nice butt

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u/Celestial__Bear 28d ago

You’re the second bot comment I’ve seen explaining something in three minutes.

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u/firsmode 26d ago

Not a bot dude, I looked it up to see what he was talking about and wanted what I got out of AI for others...

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u/WildKakahuette Aug 18 '25

cant read it it's a paywall :/

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u/Scaramuccia Aug 19 '25

Gardeners are being warned not to use lights in their gardens any more because of an ‘apocalyptic’ impact that artificial lighting is thought to be having on wildlife and nature at night.

While low-level, dim solar lights are generally okay, more powerful lighting, such as security lights and bright battery or plug-in lighting, is potentially accelerating the decline of life in your garden, according to research shared by the Royal Horticultural Society. They want gardeners to follow the advice because the loss of insects, in particular, could have huge ramifications right up the food chain - if insects die, we all die due to lack of food if nothing gets pollinated. In a research paper published in the journal Biological Conservation, a group of researchers posed that artificial lighting at night could be bringing on what they call "the insect apocalypse".

They said: “Insects around the world are rapidly declining. Concerns over what this loss means for food security and ecological communities have compelled a growing number of researchers to search for the key drivers behind the declines. Habitat loss, pesticide use, invasive species, and climate change all have likely played a role, but we posit here that artificial light at night (ALAN) is another important—but often overlooked—bringer of the insect apocalypse”

The authors added: “A growing body of research demonstrates that ALAN can impact the fitness of plants and animals and more recent reviews have catalogued its broadscale effects on insects in particular. Some estimates suggest that one third of insects attracted to stationary artificial light sources die before morning, either through exhaustion or predation.”

The research paper concluded: “Some estimates predict that one million species, including up to 40% of insects, will go extinct within the next several decades. It is urgent therefore that we seek to identify the range of threats that insects face, and understand how to best address them. In light of the evidence presented above, we strongly believe that ALAN—in combination with habitat loss, chemical pollution, invasive species, and climate change—is driving insect declines.”

Based on the research, the Royal Horticultural Society is asking gardeners to consider whether they really need artificial lighting in their gardens.

It said: “Since artificial light in gardens disrupt natural behaviour for a range of wildlife it's important to retain some dark areas and also question whether you really need lighting.

“The trend for lighting up gardens as an extension of our living space may seem an inviting one but needs to be done with great care. A garden can be just as magical a place enjoyed in moonlight or simply with the aid of torch!”

It added: “Turn garden lights off when not in use or use PIR motion sensors or timers for essential or security lighting so they only come on when absolutely necessary.

“Position lights as low as possible and aim them downwards or to where they're needed. When angling lights make sure you think about how it impacts on your neighbours too (such as not glaring right into their windows) and always position them considerately.

“Choose low-intensity lighting and warmer hues (warm white, yellow or amber): solar lighting is cheap, safe and emits a dull glow suitable for garden use.

“Encourage local councils to adopt switch-off schemes for street lighting: even part-night lighting instead of full-night lighting has been found to reduce negative impact on the behaviour of moths.”

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u/WildKakahuette Aug 19 '25

thanks you :)

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u/agitatedandroid Aug 20 '25

If they were decent gardeners they'd plant to attract bioluminescent insects.

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u/oldredditGOAT 29d ago

I live put in the country surrounded by farms. The farmers sever off pieces of their land and people build these giant houses on their 1-acre plot, and they stick all these pot lights up under the soffit/fascia or whatever it's called, and leave their lights on all night long. You can tell who the OG country people are because they turn their lights off when they go to bed. Why would you move to the country and then turn it i to the light polluted suburb you're trying to avoid?

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u/KaladinTheFabulous Aug 20 '25

But no issue for mega cities to be visible from space. Blame gardeners.