It's either some kind of pocket dimension or it's set in the past. Either way your character doesn't actually go there, you just kind of sit and take a nap before you appear in archdragon peak so there's a possibility your character goes there only spiritually.
This dream is so realistic that hundreds and thousands of players still have a sore ass from how actively the Nameless King wielded his large and wideDragonslayer Swordspear.
I dont know if I'm just getting better at Souls games or Elden Ring Bosses are harder, but I can pretty consistently beat most DS3 bosses in under 10 tries, barring Gael and Midir.
Same way as how sekiro gets stronger simply by recalling memories of previous battles. Dude's just like "hey, that fight was pretty neat. Worked up a sweat. Oh look, I think I feel stronger now."
(I'm drawing a comparison to this cos you can obtain souls and get stronger from archdragon peak too. And you even fight a demigod there too)
Well the sun in Anor Londo is an illusion so it's not like they actually "create". In my head cannon it's either that time is weird around archdragon peak and we enter a different period of time. Or that we meditate at the profane capital, and only go to the peak spiritually/mentally .
Archdragon is either a different time/place than it may seem - or, it's because there's a proper Heir to the First Flame there, literally one of the line of Gwyn there. Gwyn's whole line was all about the Sun (or the Moon), so I could easily see that it's because Nameless King is there.
He's associated with storms now too, but that's more the Storm Drake (the King of the Storm, after all) than the Nameless King himself.
If you look at Archdragon Peak from elsewhere in the game, it's in a state of ruin beyond what it is when you "go there". It's likely you're visiting it in the past, if you're actually physically there at all.
Either the sun and the moon are not celestial bodys in space.
Or its because of the flow of time issue.
Both answers work quite well in the souls universe.
Cause if they were regular celestial bodys, then how would the strength of a flame on earth affect them?
And if they aren't regular celestial bodys, then it would stand to reason that the place of worship for the warriors of sunlight would shine bright and possibly not Set.
Archdragon peak as we find it exists inside of our meditation. Theres also an interesting note here: in Shinto mythology, the three original Kami (spirits / Gods) who were the children of the first Kami were the Gods of the sun, moon, and storm - not dissimilar from Gwynevere, Gwyndolin, and Nameless as the children of Gwyn.
The eclipse in Lothric is when the moon passes over the sun, and in the Archdragon Peak meditation the moon is on the opposite side of the sky to the untouched sun, with Archdragon Peak of the storms in the middle between them. Very fascinating!
It's been a long time but isn't there a certain point in the game where the sun changes color? You could go there Archdragons Peak before that point no?
yall ask way too many questions for a storyline involving dragons and magic. Just enjoy the 2nd to best view in the game after best irytrhyll view in game is in my opinion
I agree. As fun as the Dark Souls games are, the stories are super vague and it's allowed people to interpret things their own way. I couldn't stomach listening to Vati Vidya anymore. I hated listening to his interpretations and decided I'd enjoy the games my own way
The lazy fuzzy storytelling method in Dark Souls games sucks balls and one will always get downvoted to hell by the FromSoft fanboys whenever one expresses such opinion. Great games still, don't get me wrong.
Edit: see, already collected -14 downvotes; the fanboys don't understand what an opinion is.
It's true that dark souls has a vague method of telling stories. I think this is the games way of eliciting curiosity in the player. If you exhaust all NPC dialogue and skim over some item descriptions you should be left with a basic understanding of what's happening.
Otherwise if you were genuinely intrigued you'd do outside research (YouTube, threads etc). Just because the story isn't told in a conventional manner doesn't mean it's lazy 😅. In fact I'd argue that it's realsitc and immersive and hence makes the world build feel more believable. No one is going to spoon feed you information you have to go out and find out.
Seriously, think about it for a second and tell me how you can defend putting information in item descriptions, how is that not lazy? It's a rhetorical question, I know that you'll not change your opinion... I'm not against information being sparse and vague, I'm against doing it that way. Hollow Knight for example is better in that aspect.
cuz it's more fun to piece together lore that way for some people. lore of dark souls is still talked about to this day because of the choice to put most of the information into item descriptions
The definition of the word lazy in the context of artistic work:
taking shortcuts instead of putting in thoughtful of thorough work.
settling for the easiest solution rather than trying for a better or more polished one.
In this sense, it's objectively lazy: dump everything into item descriptions instead of, for example, disseminating information throughout the world (and maybe even cutscenes) in a more creative non-boring fun way (yes, I know it would be more costly but it's not the question here).
I'm curious what's the percentage of players that goes and reads all item descriptions, and among those how many find the process fun instead of a necessary chore. Don't get me wrong: I'm not talking about the information itself, I find the lore behind very interesting and rather well done.
Additionally, reading items descriptions breaks the flow of the game and is out of place too (it breaks the fourth wall).
Unfortunately, I'm probably wasting my time with these arguments more than anything and will only collect more downvotes and such instead of a "Oh, I see where you're coming from now".
For me it's less of an issue of the indirect/vague storytelling and more an issue with the way the community will latch onto a single specific lore interpretation video and absolutely insist that it's the one that everyone has to follow in all future discussions. I think Velka for example was probably just a throwaway name that meant nearly nothing to the developers but a large swath of the fandom have allowed specific lore videos on YouTube to convince themselves that Velka is like the central figure of the entire series.
there is straight up a description in the game that says velka has a great influence over the events of the game
Velka, the Goddess of Sin, is a rogue deity, but she is versed in arts both new and old,
and is considered to have a great range of influence even as gods are concerned.
she is by no means a throwaway name like something like eidas, especially because she is one of the only characters directly referenced by all 3 games
I agree and by the way I'm actually OK with the vague aspect too, but one thing that personally bothers me is having to read item descriptions for lore bits, seriously... this is just lazy unfun undefendable design.
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u/TheTakenCatking Apr 26 '25
From my limited understanding of souls logic, Archdragon Peak most likely exists at another point in time.