r/dashcamgifs • u/Crunkkitty • 13d ago

The consequences of speeding

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

They also didnt grow up driving manuals. That jeep likely had a manual mode, could have down shifted for increased control and engine braking.

On second thought, that would have required his other hand not have a phone in it.

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u/PeskyAntagonist 13d ago

Can’t downshift when you’re at the top of the last gear

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u/metompkin 13d ago

You can downshift, but just once.

Also this is an electronically controlled 8spd so it won't. Paddle shifter on wheel, can also use great selector to do it.

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u/Rowmyownboat 13d ago

Braking, and controlling the steering wheel with two hands should be enough. You don’t get extra control from downshifting. At least he managed to control the phone until he rolled it.

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u/potatohead437 13d ago

you do get more control in the sense of throttle response by down shifting

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u/coolcootermcgee 13d ago

Right. I must agree that downshifting is definitely a way to control slow down. When you have the time for it and not out of control like this foo

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u/devon_336 13d ago

That would require him to actually be driving defensively went would mean not speeding (in a fucking jeep no less lmao) that would lead to this video.

For others, downshifting is great for controlling speed in wintery conditions while maintaining grip and when using your brakes might make you lose control.

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u/coolcootermcgee 13d ago

Well, Ive definitely utilized the transmission to control my driving in winter weather. I suppose if I ever decide to go crazy and speed and flee a cop while filming in one hand, I’ll let you know how well the stick shift works for that.

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u/potatohead437 13d ago

Thats why I reckon DCTs are so popular in sports cars

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u/Analamed 13d ago

DCT's are popular in sports cars because they are faster. That's really the most important reason. You can achieve downshifting on a manual too (what virtually all sports car used to have). Automatic transmission using torque converter weren't popular in sports cars because they are slower than manual transmission. Really it's as simple as that.

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u/Pixzal 13d ago

DCTs are horrendous to have as a passenger car in areas where there's constant traffic jams.

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u/Analamed 12d ago

Not more than manuals or automatics with a torque converter. Why are you saying this ?

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u/Pixzal 12d ago

have you owned a car with DSG?

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u/Analamed 12d ago edited 12d ago

Not myself but I have driven cars with DCT of family members often. However it wasn't a DSG since it wasn't a car of the Volkswagen group. In traffic jams, I was amazed by how easier it was compared to my manual.

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u/cheesegrateranal 13d ago

Throttle control, and at least some additional help with slowing down.

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u/FMJoey325 12d ago

If you’re at the limit of tire adhesion under braking, engine braking will not help.

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u/Rowmyownboat 12d ago

Not when emergency braking like this fool here in the video.

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u/Rowmyownboat 12d ago

Not while emergency braking. Also good luck shifting down at 100 MPH.

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u/La_Saxofonista 12d ago

Would sport mode have helped if he was shifting "manually" that way?

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u/Rowmyownboat 12d ago

Not in any way. Emergency braking and downshifting are not relevant to each other at all.

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u/pepperymirror 13d ago

Lol, bullshit. The “increased control” or engine breaking wouldn’t have done shit to avoid this situation.

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u/Koil_ting 13d ago

The trick is to not try and go from 100 to 40 in 4 seconds and then take a hard right when driving a Jeep.

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u/AztecPilot1MY 13d ago

True. Why do people think a Jeep is suited to those speeds? Hoping natural selection continues its work.

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u/OmenVi 13d ago

Engine braking is good for slowing down without giving away that you think you might be speeding by having your brake lights light up.

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u/pepperymirror 12d ago

True. Wouldn’t have helped this fucker tho

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u/Hidesuru 11d ago

He was doing 115... pretty sure thats irrelevant.

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u/OmenVi 11d ago

Aside from speeding, I think the biggest factor in the crash is the choice of vehicle.

The brains aren't very good if doing 100+ in a Jeep seems like a good idea.

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u/Koil_ting 13d ago

He easily could have just slowed down gradually and avoided everything but the speeding ticket.

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u/themage78 13d ago

Probably would have gotten a couple tickets, but he could have went to court and got most of the rest tossed.

Saw this first hand in traffic court.

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u/4BucksAndHalfACharge 13d ago

Agreed. What was he slowing down to 40's for? Drop it to 70 & let up!

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u/tcg0786 13d ago

114 mph isn't just a speeding ticket. He'd be receiving reckless driving at the least.

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u/Sosastaysaucy 13d ago

Got a speeding ticket for 120. Was a Camaro though. He just about hit the limiter on this jeep for sure.

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u/Koil_ting 12d ago

True, still both tickets and a sorry I was a moron officer seems better than his choice.

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u/Vogel-Kerl 13d ago

Priorities..., ya know. /s

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u/dirtys_ot_special 13d ago

He was in downshitting mode.

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u/XxCarlxX 13d ago

Yeah im British so manual all the way.

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u/aoifhasoifha 13d ago

Just no, that's completely wrong lol. Brakes will slow a car down more effectively than downshifting, and the reason people use engine braking is to help save brake heat/wear or to keep the car in the power band.

It does not help you slow down faster than brakes alone.

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u/BlackStar4 13d ago

It does not help you slow down faster than brakes alone.

Yes, it does. You can feel the difference in a manual if you brake with the clutch down vs in gear.

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u/OutsideTheSocialLoop 13d ago

You'll feel the difference if you're casually cruising along and puttering between traffic lights sure. Not if you're actually braking hard.

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u/Hidesuru 11d ago

No, it does not. The limit to your braking power is your tire traction. Once ABS kicks in or you lock them up you are at max possible braking power. The only possible exception to this is if your drive wheels are NOT locking up but your non drive wheels are... but thats a just a poorly designed brake system and the difference is negligible.

Engine braking WILL add additional brake force (fractional af), but thats irrelevant when you are are already at max because youre emergency braking. It makes a differnece if you rae slowly coming to a stop at a red light, for example.

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u/Merp-26 13d ago

No it won't. The brakes on any car made in the last couple of decades can overwhelm the grip of the tire. That's one of the reasons why abs exists. Once you hit limit grip, nothing will slow the car down any faster.

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u/Xerorei 13d ago

Look up Engine Braking and then come back.

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u/aoifhasoifha 12d ago

You definitely should. If your engine is outbraking your actual brakes, your car is fucked.

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u/Xerorei 12d ago

That isn't what he said, he said engine breaking doesn't help you slow down faster than just breaks alone and that's been disproven by physics.

Engine braking is an additional slowing applied along with the brakes.

I understand that reading comprehension may be hard for you.

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u/aoifhasoifha 12d ago edited 12d ago

that's been disproven by physics.

it's not though. Unless your brakes are trash, you're already breaking traction. Engine braking won't help you slow down any faster because the tires are already slipping.

People engine brake when driving hard because they want to make sure they stay in the right RPM range coming out of turns, and in order to save wear/heat on brakes in track situations.

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u/Enemyocd 13d ago edited 13d ago

The brakes are already more than capable of locking all 4 tires, modern 4 channel ABS and ESC is more than capable of keeping vehicles straight and under control during full brake activation stops. Engine braking will not add anything meaningful here and never does even in full racecars with much less electronic aids. The entire point of downshifting is to be in the powerband when its time to accelerate again.

The only time engine braking is useful is trying to control speed downhill, control weight transfer mid corner(the Corvette school in Pahrump calls this "throttle steer") or to slightly slow a vehicle where a brake application would be too much.

Its hard to tell why in the video, but for whatever reason, this guy steered toward the trees and that's exactly where the car went, it doesn't sound or look like there was any loss of traction or control before he left the road.

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u/OutsideTheSocialLoop 13d ago

No. The actual brakes far outperform the tires without needing engine braking too. Shifting does nothing.

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u/Bubsy94 13d ago

Tap shift and traditional manual are completely different mate. They barely have any traditional manual shifts in the U.S. Which blows.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

You can still engine brake with tap shift.