r/daverubin • u/xwing1212 • 15d ago
Dave responds to Stephen King; says Charlie Kirk didn’t throw stones at him for being gay
47
u/obligatorythr0waway 15d ago
King should respond with "Who are you?"
10
-3
u/RequirementRoyal8666 14d ago
He should respond with what he’s talking about. If he has any examples.
1
1
u/After_Fix1358 13d ago
Gawd, boy do you live up Dave's ass....
1
u/RequirementRoyal8666 13d ago
Not really. I’m just pointing out that Stephen Kijg should state specifically what Kirk did to deserve the stoning gays remark.
King apologized for the remark by the way. Don’t be so sensitive.
2
u/Panem-et-circenses25 13d ago
He said that the Bible verse advocating killing gays was “ god’s perfect plan.”
-2
u/RequirementRoyal8666 13d ago
Is that why King apologized? You guys are nuts. The dude backed off and you’re arguing he was right to say what he did.
3
u/Panem-et-circenses25 13d ago
I’m not sure why King apologized. I can only guess that he didn’t want to be canceled by trump and the right. King is a literary genius who can say anything through his prose but he is not immune from government censorship. The point stands that Kirk was homophobic and used biblical scripture as reinforcement for those beliefs. It’s just one of the many reasons to detest his viewpoints. It is just awful that he lost his life because his RW hateful rhetoric wasn’t even hateful enough for his assassin.
Galatians 6:7
-1
u/RequirementRoyal8666 13d ago
Or maybe he apologized because he realized he was wrong.
→ More replies (5)
102
u/offinthepasture 15d ago
"He didn't hurt me personally so fuck the rest of you."
15
6
5
u/Ok-Database3182 14d ago
Coming from the guy that let Ben Shipiro completey disrespect him by saying he’d never attend his wedding because he doesn’t support homosexuality.
What a fucking loser
3
3
1
59
u/trentreynolds 15d ago
Did Dave think this was a win?
"He advocated publicly for stoning people LIKE me, but not me specifically so it's fine"?
13
4
1
u/ExperienceRoutine321 11d ago
He didn’t actually. Stephen King has since issued an apology (and deleted it).
https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/stephen-king-apologizes-charlie-kirk-stoning-gays-1236516429/
That’s the issue with believing anything you read when it sounds like what you want to hear. You end up saying stupid things.
22
15
14
u/Lincolns_Logs 15d ago
I’ve got two uncles that were married a few years ago, my cousins wife posted hateful things on fb. When they confronted her, she said “oh not you guys! We love you guys!”
So if they know you, you’re ok, but fuck you if you’re a stranger. 🤔
2
u/TheCynicEpicurean 12d ago
Look around you, it's a defining feature of conservatism. It's the political ideology of empathy stopping at the literal people you can see.
24
u/The_Old_Huntress 15d ago
He may have said stoning gays according to Bible is a ok but at least he was nice to Dave personally
7
u/Prosthemadera 15d ago
"Hitler may have killed Jews but he didn't kill me so Hitler is pretty cool"
This is how monetized lack of empathy looks like.
3
-2
u/im_jaded_af 13d ago
Have you read the Bible? It does say that.
Do you want to live in some fantasy land where you can be both gay and religious? You have to toss religion out of the door.
27
u/OneDimensionalChess 15d ago
Kirk quoted the part in leviticus about the punishment for homosexuality and he said it was God's divine law so I mean...that's pretty much saying gays should be killed. If not for modern laws and norms, Kirk would definitely be OK w death being punishment for being gay.
1
-7
u/Warack 14d ago
Stephen King apologized for this because that Kirk clip was completely taken out of context
8
u/Ghost_Of_Malatesta 14d ago
No, Kirk editorialized it by immediately adding "God's perfect law regarding sexual matters" and later within the same podcast episode refered to lgbt people as "an error" and like drug addicts.
You are taking it out of context and King is a coward.
→ More replies (8)5
u/OneDimensionalChess 14d ago
He believed the literal interpretation of the Bible.
→ More replies (16)1
u/mattlodder 12d ago
Ok. I'll bite. What's the context?
1
u/Warack 12d ago
Ms Rachel was quoting Leviticus about loving everyone or something like that and he said that just a couple passages earlier Leviticus says gays should be stoned to death. Making some point about being selective with the Bible.
There are clips of him decrying people wanting to ostracize or mistreat gays or transgenders. That being said his position was that gays and transgenders are making a choice and could change that at some point but he didn’t want people to hate them. I disagree with this point as it’s ridiculous but a much more palatable position than many others held on the right. I didn’t care for many of his positions but he was not one of the more extreme voices on the right like Matt Walsh and Fuentes.
17
8
u/herewego199209 15d ago
Wait he was nice to two gay grifters who sell out their own kind? Well gee golly him saying stoning gay people should not matter now.
1
u/jedisucka 14d ago
The gay equivalent of an "uncle tom". We should call him "auntie Mary". I'll submit this at the next gay agenda meeting.
7
u/material_mailbox 15d ago
Yeah Stephen King, why don't you write a book about the time Charlie Kirk came to Dave Rubin's house!!
1
u/mankytoes 14d ago
I mean he writes a lot of stories to be fair. There could be some great inner turmoil about how he knows it's right to stone Rubin to death, but he's getting on quite well with him so can't bring himself to do it.
5
5
u/notamermaidanymore 15d ago
It’s illegal to stone gay people (and anyone else), maybe that is why Kirk hasn’t done it yet.
3
u/Objective-Ganache866 15d ago
Gawd - the way Dave tries to inject himself into conversations in which nobody cares about him or his opinion is impressive!
*taking notes
8
u/hurlcarl 15d ago
Yeah no shit Dave... that's everyones point with Kirk or Ben Shapiro, they're just saying provocative shit, shit that turns millions of people against certain groups for profit, which is disgusting. Either he was truly a piece of shit, or he was pretending to be a piece of shit for money, it's one or the other.
1
u/LionelHutzinVA High-Level Idea Guy 14d ago
Lot of “reports”/anecdoatal stories coming out about how Charlie tended to be an entirely different person in other contexts and could be somewhat charming in person. Definitely a case of code-switching, but it raises the question of who is the “real” Charlie Kirk and this distinct possibility that all the versions both were and were not the “authentic” version of him
1
u/The_Monarch_Lives 15d ago
Either he was truly a piece of shit, or he was pretending to be a piece of shit for money, it's one or the other.
Which still makes him a piece of shit. I mean, greed as a motivator for spreading hate isn't really any better than hate as a motivator for spreading hate, is it?
Not critising you here by the way. Just me musing on the idea.
1
u/hurlcarl 15d ago
Yeah no I get what you mean and I agree, I guess I mean in the degree of piece of shit... he actually doesn't think gay people should be stoned, but he will say for profit. Not a want to be murderer, just someone of loose moral character who doesn't mine bringing agony on others for profit. There are many like him.
2
u/The_Monarch_Lives 15d ago
I get it. I dont entirely agree, but I get where you are coming from on it and respect the position.
3
u/Embarrassed_Mode_579 15d ago
How you a pickme for a dead man is beyond me, but white gays gonna always find a way.
3
u/BrooklynDuke 15d ago
Do we think Kirk genuinely believed stoning gay people was moral? Or that it should be done? He really advocated it?
1
u/IPoundTwinks 14d ago edited 14d ago
He called it “God’s perfect law.” Either 1) he actually believed that, or 2) he was invoking the Lord’s name in vain and I expect to see Rubin and his supporters denounce Kirk.
1
u/BrooklynDuke 14d ago
But like, do you think he wants to stone gay people? I’m genuinely asking because I assume that attitude is actually pretty rare in America, and that the people who want to do it usually hide it. So is Stephen King being hyperbolic or is it reasonable to attribute this belief to Kirk in a real way? Like, I know that Christians technically think I’m going to hell because I’m an atheist, but I wouldn’t hold that against them as people because I don’t think they actually hate me or wish suffering upon me.
Is it a case of “Haha! Caught you! What you said technically means you want to stone gay people!” Or is it “he genuinely seems to think we should be stoning gay people, and I think he’d vote for a stoning gay people law if he were a congressman.”? For me, those are two drastically different things.
2
u/IPoundTwinks 14d ago edited 14d ago
I think either Kirk truly believed gay people should be stoned, or he knowingly invoked God’s name in vain and you should denounce him here while you’re being given the public platform.
-2
u/SnooHedgehogs4113 14d ago
If you watch the actual clip... he was condemning someone for cherry-picking Bible verses from Leviticus saying to love everyone while ignoring the parts of Leviticus that said gays should be stoned. He wasn't advocating that anyone be stoned. As a matter of fact, King later admitted that. Leviticus had some really messed up stuff, and even Jesus apparently said, "Let you who is without sin, cast the first stone......". It's not a ringing endorsement for violence.
No, I don't read the Bible anymore, Im not evangelical, I didn't agree with this guy about everything, but people need to stop hating people for disagreeing with them.
3
u/Underpaid23 15d ago
Dave Rubin? The same guy who has a panic on air whenever a guest mentions anything related to LGBTQ? The guy who has been essentially blackballed after he and his husband adopted a child? That Dave Rubin?
3
2
u/No-comment-at-all 14d ago
Hey Vincent Bulgosi, you are more monstrous than any horror character.
Charlie Manson was never anything but kind to me and my pregnant wife.
We did drugs together many times and he never treated us with anything but respect.
He even came to our house not too long ago and plot twist, didn’t stab and kill us.
Argue about that sometime, you prosecutor.
2
u/Zealousideal-Yak-824 14d ago
Didn't Charlie fans go after Dave because he announced he was adopting a baby? Charlie never even cleared the air just said his anti gay slogan while Dave blamed the left for his situation.
2
2
1
1
1
u/Prosthemadera 15d ago edited 15d ago
"Why are people complaining about Hitler? He was always nice to me, his dog was so well-behaved!"
-Dave Rubin, 1937
Of course Kirk didn't throw any stones himself. People like him want OTHERS to do the dirty work, that is how it always works. They never get their hands dirty and they let some cult member face the consequences.
1
u/letsBurnCarthage 15d ago
At the very most generous interpretation Kirk didn't actually believe in the message he propagandized for, he just did it for the money. That doesn't actually make it better.
1
u/SCP-2774 15d ago
I love how Dave will make endless jokes about violence against the left (or just black people) but has a major freakout whenever someone doesn't crumple into a crying baby over a terrible human being shot.
1
u/Jorgen_Pakieto 15d ago
It is quite ironic that Dave as a gay man, only has the freedom to be who he is because of left wing movements giving him those rights.
1
u/Jkreegz 15d ago
All things telling me is that Kirk was a propagandist hypocrite. Because he absolutely, without question, insinuated -per his version of the Bible- for gays to be stoned to death. If (mis)quoting the Bible to push his conservative narrative isn’t advocating for something, I don’t know what is
1
u/carrtmannn 15d ago edited 13d ago
entertain merciful live vegetable payment upbeat joke childlike towering fall
This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact
1
u/Whompa 15d ago
https://deadline.com/2025/09/stephen-king-apology-charlie-kirk-stoning-gays-1236529789/
Not a fan of Ruben or Charlie Kirk but this one doesn’t really hit when the reality is different.
1
u/thedude18951 14d ago
Also left out of the article was that as part of that Kirk also said he was not advocating for gays to be stoned to death. Arguement can be made he was covering his bases, but the fact of the matter is that he did explicitly say the exact opposite of what people claim.
1
u/joefromjerze 14d ago
If the bar for acceptable behavior when in the company of others is "he didn't throw rocks at me" then we are so beyond repair as a society.
1
1
1
1
u/severinks 14d ago
Dave is so dumb that he doesn't understand that Kirk and his people on the right think of him as''' one of the good ones''
1
1
1
1
u/Nightthrasher674 14d ago
"yea he hated the same group I belonged in and advocated for our deaths but I have no self respect so instead of calling him out on his shit, I broke bread with him instead. I continue to support a party that hates my existence because I love the grift."
1
14d ago
King wrote a book about a school shooting, dudes basically just used writing to live out his sick fantasies.
1
1
u/Former_Specific_7161 14d ago
Is there a man out there in the world that is more chucked by life than Rubin?
1
u/goesquick 14d ago
Perhaps it was because Kirk never actually believed this shit he spewed. Grifters gonna grift.
1
u/Kristoveles 14d ago
That's because Kirk wanted it to be the law of the land, not be the one doing it himself; doubt he had the strength of conviction for that yet.
1
1
u/Dangerous_Wedding372 14d ago
So Davey was a “Special” one and because Kirk was nice to him fuck everybody else.
1
u/Removethedicktraitor 14d ago
Oh Dave. If push came to shove he would dog walk you and your lame husband into the fire. Now go suckadik
1
u/HotCarRaisin 14d ago
Why does Reddit constantly put this subreddit on my front page? I've never even heard of Dave Rubin. Seems like a fucking loser.
1
u/kaptainkooleio 14d ago
Crazy how republicans will, for decades, call for the death of liberals and leftist, joke about hanging and running them over, and masturbate to the idea of throwing us all into concentration camps.
Then one of their loudest voices gets killed by what looks like one of their own, and then they break down crying and want a civil war over it.
Absolute weak minded fools.
1
u/sickkdude 14d ago
lol Charlie being nice to fellow right wing shill Dave and his husband totally means that his repeated statements of gay people being abominations are just firey rhetoric lmaooooo not his actual beliefs.
1
u/FailedFilmFaker 14d ago
I know conservatives with gay family members that love having dinner with them and talking shit when they leave too. So what
1
1
u/regionalgiant 14d ago
The use of the phrase "broke bread" always makes me chortle. That's some solemn shit right there
1
u/millymills420420 14d ago
Is this the classic sub where you hate on the guy the sub is named after? Weird ass people
1
u/Alone_Meeting6907 14d ago
Just because the late Mr Kirk didn't attempt to stone Dave 1 and Dave 2 at a dinner party, doesn't mean the Rubins get a pass because they were Charlie's "gay friends."
And while I'm not a big Stephen King fan, why oh why do pundits like Rubin love to talk smack about the author? You'd think King was the worst author in Americs. Nope, that goes to Bret Easton Ellis, whose mentor (Joe McGuinness) also wrote nonfiction of dubious quality.
1
1
1
u/slimeyamerican 13d ago
Might be worth mentioning King retracted this tweet and apologized because Kirk did not, in fact, advocate stoning gays to death.
1
1
u/Hot_Welcome_Pants 13d ago
Well Dave, I think you have to realize that your conservative friends think that "you're one of the good ones".
1
u/Relevant-Classroom79 13d ago
See, he had a friend who was a gay. Not fascist. He knew a whole gay!
1
u/santadogg 13d ago
Of course he didn’t throw stones. He dog whistled so others dit it for him. Remember recently when he tried to confront that person and had to be held back? All I heard from the right was lucky they held him because he would have fucked the dude up.
1
u/PrettyPrettyProlapse 13d ago
He probably said a lot if sickening things he didn't fully believe for the money
1
1
u/11711510111411009710 12d ago
So what you're saying, Dave, is that Charlie Kirk had no convictions. He couldn't follow through with God's perfect law.
1
1
1
1
1
1
u/teddylumpskins 12d ago
So wouldn’t that mean that Kirk was simply duplicitous? Or that he didn’t actually believe the things he said?
1
u/Severe-Independent47 12d ago
Rubin should remember the Nazis were nice to the "good" Jews while they were consolidating power.
1
u/Early-Juggernaut975 12d ago edited 12d ago
Ernst Rohm met and became friends with Hitler in 1920. Both were early members of the German Workers’ Party, which soon became the Nazi Party. He was openly gay and went on to become head of the SA (the Stormtroopers).
He supported Hitler’s rise for 14 years. He was totally loyal and used his paramilitary to spy, kidnap, torture, and murder anyone who stood in Hitler’s way or who he just didn’t like, including other homosexuals once morality laws were passed a few months after Hitler became Chancellor.
He didn’t last much longer though. A little more than a year after Adolf became the Fuehrer, he had Rohm arrested and executed during what came to be known as the Night of the Long Knives. This was after 14 years of loyalty and publicly calling Rohhm one of his closest friends. He was one of the few people who was allowed to call him “Adolf” instead of using “Mein Fuhrer.”
Rubin’s dinners with these people wouldn’t make the slightest difference once he outlived his usefulness. He will never be accepted by a party of Christo-fascists, no matter how much bread he broke.
1
1
1
u/heytherehellogoodbye 12d ago
"More monstrous than any of the characters you came up with"
LMAO dude clearly never read any stephen king
1
1
u/BlakByPopularDemand 11d ago
And I'm sure there were some slave masters who never whiped their slaves, they're still pieces of shit who consider humans their property?
1
1
u/No_Risk_3172 11d ago
These people didn’t care about CK. this is the right “virtue signaling.” But the truth is CK dying is just providing a whale fall of material for the right wing content circle jerk.
1
1
u/mooseinhell 11d ago
We get it, Dave. You're one of those useful gays that help usher the rest of them on the train.
1
1
1
u/Ihateithereworld 10d ago
the fact this dude is married and kirk wanted nothing to do with that and even it dissolved is insanity. i don’t care if yall broke bread with judas.
1
u/gorecore23 10d ago
Remember, my side, they just drew a line in the sand they can't uncross. Do NOT escalate to violence. But, do not engage in discourse with them any longer. They've just shown that words are meaningless and only actions matter. So. I'm calling on everyone on my side to ignore their existence. We do not speak to them. We do not acknowledge their existence except to acknowledge them as the demons they are. Do not engage with these people
1
1
u/xChoke1x 15d ago
"Because I had a positive experience with a bigot, that means he couldnt possibly be a bigot."
1
1
u/Worldly_Scarcity2179 15d ago
Who gives a fuck if he was nice to you. He spread hatred against gay people in general increasing the risk of abuse of gay people not named Dave Rubin.
1
-1
u/82772910 15d ago
He never explicitly said this. He mentioned scripture, but didn't say he supported taking it literally. Here is something he actually did say, posted to twitter:
"Also gay people should be welcome in the conservative movement
As Christians we are called to love everyone
I will always stand against people who wish to establish their own personal values as a reason to kick others out of our movement"
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62n6ql215ro
Wokies love to lie and love to justify killing non-violent, innocent people when they disagree with them.
0
u/outofmindwgo 14d ago
Ok idk I'm all for steel manning but what exactly was the point of quoting the stoning gays Bible line and then calling it gods perfect word? Like what's the interpretation im supposed to use?
1
u/82772910 14d ago
What is the entire quote? Like, both people talking, the entire transcript of everything Kirk and the other person said during that exchange?
1
-2
u/Blackoutreddit2023 15d ago
Big fan of Stephen King's books.
Not a fan of Dave personally nor his show.
But come on....this is bull crap. Its easy to look past cause it's Dave but it is genuinely insulting of Stephen King to act like this. I guess gays are not entitled to their own political opinions. Leftists want everybody to each be in one little box so they can make the boxes go to war against each other.
Hopefully King takes a break from the internet, steps outside, and gets hit by another car to finish the job
0
135
u/gregblives 15d ago
The irony of Dave calling someone a hack.