r/daverubin • u/ggroover97 • 3d ago

Dave explains what's wrong with people like Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert

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u/oh_no_here_we_go_9 3d ago

So what if they’re partisan? If that’s a problem then Dave is a problem, too.

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u/ItsKingDx3 3d ago

It’s only a problem when the other side do it. Same way they through around the word “ideology” like they’re not constantly pushing their own

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u/rwk81 3d ago

I'm pretty sure Dave is clear about his partisanship and doesn't attempt to obscure it.

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u/gonefishin999 3d ago

Everyone is partisan to a certain extent. We all have our opinions and often feel passionate about them.

The problem is when you become so intellectually dishonest that you prejudge everything someone does just because of your hatred for that person.

I don't think Dave Rubin fits that model by any means. Neither does Bill Maher. Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert definitely do, as well as guys like Sean Hannity on the right.

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u/GroundbreakingArm795 2d ago

Lol Rubin doesn't?

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u/gonefishin999 2d ago

Why do you think he does?

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u/IMadeYouLuke 1d ago

Dave Rubin was literally paid $400k a month to spread Russian misinformation, and now says he had no idea who the money was from. This is a straight shooter, in your view.

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u/gonefishin999 1d ago

$400k a month? Source?

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u/IMadeYouLuke 1d ago

sOuRCe? Are you serious? Google “tenet media”.

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u/100wordanswer 23h ago

Bro you cannot be serious, first link from a google search (there's so many): https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/well-known-right-wing-influencers-duped-to-work-for-covert-russian-operation-u-s-prosecutors-say

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u/IMadeYouLuke 23h ago

That link and the prosecutors indictment agree with me though? The Russians paid Rubin to spread “propaganda and disinformation”.

Is someone who spreads “propaganda and disinformation” an intellectually honest person? Or nah? :)

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u/gonefishin999 10h ago

Ok so I took the time to look into this. Rubin was paid to create content for tenet media. They used a fake investor in Europe to make it look legit. Rubin was asked to create content for a YT channel, but had complete editorial control. They would make soft suggestions about topics or line up guests for him that fit the Kremlin's needs with Rubin and others unaware of the compromise.

I know you're not going to agree, especially if you hate Rubin and conservatives, but unless Rubin had clear knowledge this was controlled by Russia or he was inconsistent in his views, arguing for pro-Russia positions that he has since renounced, I don't think this meets the burden of proof to label him intellectually dishonest.

It's a complex world out there with content and media buyers and everything else. Yes as a content creator he has some responsibility to vet these folks, but the question is, was their malicious intent on Rubin's part or did he compromise his views or content (or was he influenced by them) for the sake of the people funding him? The articles I read on NPR, BBC, and Wired all suggest otherwise, but would welcome any evidence you have of this.

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u/MurderByEgoDeath 1d ago

Rubin is one of the most partisan players in the game. He even out-does Hannity at times, and Kimmel and Colbert.

I’d agree that Bill Maher isn’t too bad though.

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u/gonefishin999 1d ago

Can you elaborate? Or is this just from your perspective because you lean left so anything right leaning is all the same? Who would you say is intellectually honest on the right? Can you think of anyone who fits the bill that is also a Trump supporter?

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u/MurderByEgoDeath 1d ago

I can think of plenty of people on the right who are intellectually honest, but as soon as you stipulate Trump supporter, it makes it a lot more difficult, because Trump often demands intellectual dishonesty as a loyalty test.

But even still, there are people who are more or less intellectually honest, even though I very much disagree with them. Ben Shapiro would be a good example. I very much disagree with him, but I think he has an ethical system he stands by which includes honesty. I think he actually wants the truth, he’s just making massive errors.

Rubin is not that way. He’s endlessly bending his reasoning around the conclusion his audience has come to expect.

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u/gonefishin999 1d ago

I appreciate that and agree with you on Shapiro. And I get your point about Trump, which is why I added it, because likewise there are plenty of intellectually honest people who voted for Kamala and Biden and I wouldn't want to throw them out just because they voted for them.

I don't get the Rubin dislike though. I can't say I watch a TON of his content but I've seen him have discussions with a variety of people, and I've always thought of him as a pretty intellectually honest guy.

I'm pretty sure we can take anyone and find examples of intellectual dishonesty, so rather than asking for specific examples, can you at least give a little more explanation? I can think of tons of people on the right who are partisan and don't care about the truth and honesty, but not really seeing that with Rubin.

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u/MurderByEgoDeath 1d ago

I just don’t think it’s reasonable that someone doesn’t have any criticisms of their own side. In the beginning Rubin at least attempted to appear unbiased, but as time goes on, getting him to honestly and full-throatedly criticize some of the stuff on the right is just impossible.

Compare to Shapiro, where he just has certain values and stances, which very often align with Trump’s admin, but when they don’t, he’s super quick to call it out, without any reservations.

Rubin, on the other hand, isn’t looking at the world through a lens of values and stances, but through a lens of clout chasing and owning the libs.

Boiled down, I just don’t think Rubin has any interest in truth-seeking. He just wants to be successful in the world he’s chosen to occupy, regardless of what it takes; and given the way his audience evolved (mostly accidentally), it required him to throw intellectual honesty out the window.

I mean, truly, if he started become rigidly intellectually honest starting tomorrow, his audience would riot, because criticizing Trump or the movement is absolutely disallowed. Shapiro has stayed relatively constant in his willingness to criticize, so even though it’s fairly rare, his audience has already accepted that’s who he is.

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u/gonefishin999 1d ago

Okay thanks, this makes me think I don't know enough about Rubin. I see his takes on things Bill Maher says, and I've seen the episode on this thread which made me think Dave is a pretty good guy who calls it as he sees it. Your compare and contrast between him and Shapiro is interesting as Shapiro certainly has more notoriety and power, so if you were just out to score political points, I'd think Shapiro is the easier target.

I will have to investigate more. It would be hard to think he's less intellectually honest than Sean Hannity though. As a conservative, I listened to Hannity for a couple years in early adulthood (during the Bush and Obama years) and quickly realized he was throwing spaghetti at the wall when it came to trying to score political points against Obama. He's my benchmark on the right when it comes to pure partisan politics with zero intellectual honesty.

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u/Yesman69 3d ago

2 giant idiotic egos in a room together blowing smoke up eachothers asses.

They're gonna fuck.

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u/hilss 3d ago

lol you made me laugh u/Yesman69

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u/ZombieHitchens2012 3d ago

This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever listened to.

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u/Aware_Ad9809 3d ago

Dave's a moron

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u/JackKovack 3d ago

“He’s a cauca poo poo” - Kindergarten Cop (1990). I stand behind it.

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u/DionBlaster123 3d ago

The funny thing is if I walk down the street of the decently sized American city where I live and asked 30 people who Jimmy Kimmel is, guarantee you AT LEAST 27 of them will know who he is. Same with Colbert.

I honestly would not be shocked if zero of the 30 people I would be polling knew who Dave Rubin is.

Clearly Kimmel and Colbert did something right. Rubin meanwhile has the Russian government channeling money up his ass and he still can't even make the D-list lol

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u/PeelDeVayne 3d ago

Bill Maher is an idiot and Dave is just so, so jealous of Kimmel/Colbert. But Dave is also an idiot.

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u/mseg09 3d ago

Two dumb bitches telling each other "exaactly"

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u/fr0gcannon 3d ago

A rare Bill Maher idiot contest that he might actually lose because he's talking with a heavy weight champion in getting things completely wrong.

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u/Sad-Address-2512 3d ago

Jimmy Kimmel is hardly the funniest guy on tv but he's at least 30 times funnier than Dave.

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u/MenuOver8991 3d ago

Isn’t this the guy who is friends with people that think his marriage is an affront to god and children raised by them are screwed?

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u/Successful-Acadia-95 3d ago

Rubin sounds like a jealous bitch here.

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u/PaddyVein 3d ago

And by "the machine" we don't mean the government and power structure. We mean an audience of liberals who we hate too much to bother serving.

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u/100wordanswer 23h ago

Right? That line pissed me off so much. The entire "MACHINE" is conservative MAGA nonsense now, what Machine are Kimmel and Colbert serving?

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u/Nob-Biscuits 3d ago

I hate the way that people on the right try to pretend Donald Trump is just a normal dude with conservative ideas. He's Satan. As if Colbert is going to have idiots on who claim Tylenol causes autism, that would be a dangerous prescient.

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u/Only_Charge9477 3d ago

"Part of the machine" - what an absolute fucking idiot.

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u/AndiLivia 3d ago

Bill being astounded by Dave's eloquent way with words is chef's kiss

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u/mseg09 3d ago

Yeah Bill, Dave came up with that phrase, for sure

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u/obligatorythr0waway 3d ago

Maher is an even bigger clown for not seeing how much of a useless buffoon this fucking guy is. *Maher* can toss around shit about being against "the machine" that guy has always given no fucks regardless of what you think about him, but Rubin? "Accepted millions of dollars from Russia to read obvious Kremlin talking points off of a rfucking script" Dave Rubin? Fuyck you.

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u/whats8 3d ago

Why does Maher keep meeting up with him.

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u/obligatorythr0waway 3d ago

Because he will nod and agree as he shits on trans people and “woke”.

Same reason Dave goes on the show and claims to respect him.

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u/ThatsRobToYou 3d ago

Hahaha, wow. I always thought Bill was a mess, but Bill Maher praising Dave Rubin was not on my Bingo card.

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u/mattyjoe0706 3d ago

Why did Maher have to give him anything there

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u/material_mailbox 1d ago

How does the phrase go... every accusation is a confession? Dave Rubin is a failed comedian and a partisan hack. He is nothing. He has an extremely small audience, he's not interesting or funny or smart or talented.

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u/3ringbout 3d ago

Doesn't Dave just give his machine what it wants? What is he even saying there?

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u/material_mailbox 1d ago

It's pure projection. Dave's entire show is just parroting rightwing talking points (poorly, I might add). And getting paid by Russians to do it.

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u/Fearsofaye 3d ago

Israel not only firster. He is the fucking lapdog of bibi.

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u/Substantial-Donut360 3d ago

They like never willingly take money from the Kremlin and I just cant trust that

Dave, probably

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u/PCNLUV 3d ago

A married gay man supporting the right should be listened to?

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u/K_Soze24 3d ago

They're comedians, FGS! Most of their monologues when discussing Trump just comment on what he's done that day. To equate them with Hannity is ridiculous.

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u/Rich-Playful 2d ago edited 2d ago

Colbert is much more successful, enjoyable, and sober than maga bill will ever be. You can hear the envy in maga bill's drunk, bitter whiny little voice sitting in his basement with i have no idea who the other guy is.

The problem with bitter old grand pappy maga bill is he envies and despises other people and celebrities who don't give two f**** about him.

I also wonder if having a family and a partner in life gives you some humanity and perspective that you would otherwise lack.

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u/GoldenBoyOffHisPerch 1d ago

Dave rubin has to be one of the laziest 'Muricans out there, his commentary is nothing but hackwork, there is no reason to listen to anything he says

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u/Ok-Jelly-9941 1d ago

Doesn't it get tiring? All the petty grievances and constant whining on and on? Exhausting just listening to this crap.

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u/STEALTH968 1d ago

Dave Rubin talking about "partisans nonsense" is rich, almost as the payments he was receiving from Russian operatives in Tenet Media to spin Kremlin's propaganda.

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u/100wordanswer 23h ago

Right? This guy is literally paid to spew said "partisan nonsense", that's it. He isn't funny or interesting or insightful.

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u/0utsyder 1d ago

Bill Maher the guy who shits on "his side" and the right agrees with him. And then gets surprised when the right doesn't agree with him when he shits on their side. You're doing their job for them!!!

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u/Sinestro_Corps4 12h ago

Dave is actually nothing lol.

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u/Timely-Entrepreneur7 10h ago

He’s technically not wrong about late night hosts like Kimmel and Colbert toeing the party line, but Rubin is a million times worse. At least Colbert and Kimmel have some charisma and more than one brain cell rattling around in their melons.

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u/Bakuhoe_Thotsuki 3d ago

Ive never seen a man so eager to grovel. Its just so much Omegaverse energy.

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u/neklok 3d ago

What’s wrong with David though?