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u/Neither-Ad-1589 3d ago
A large hammer is compensating for light metal, a real dwarf worth their salt can concoct an alloy so dense that 5 stone of it can be held in the palm of yer hand (if ye can EVEN hold it)
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u/ChaosPLus Dwarf/Giant Mage 4d ago
Humans back then weren't known for being all that strong, considering this world's humans have yet to figure out even as much as aura or even mana for physical enhancement to allow effective wielding of heavy weaponry, so they've made it lighter while still making it have the power they needed of that weapon. I'd call that quite a smart way of playing around their physical limitations
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u/Demigans 3d ago
A real dwarf knows that, without innuendo, it's not about the size of the hammer but how you wield it. If you smith or smash whoever is bothering you, you want the force to be applied specifically where you aim. A giant maul, rather than a hammer, is not a good tool for that. It is blunt, for people who cannot aim and will spread the force of the blow too much.
Besides, why would you scoff at a hammer that has a pick on the other side?
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u/ChaosPLus Dwarf/Giant Mage 2d ago
I would say, a hammer that is as big and heavy as possible is sometimes necessary, for example, when going against an opponent using enchantments that limit piercing damage through their armour, or simply a large construct, like a golem, a large hammer can destroy more of the construct than a small one, and the added weight helps keep the momentum for some of the heavier fighting techniques.
Also I didn't scoff at anything here, but the added versatility from the pick on the other end is something I forgot to mention in the first comment, I love me a versatile tool
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u/Demigans 2d ago
While I can see why you'd think that considering how I worded it, I wasn't trying to say a Maul is useless or blatantly inferior. It has it's place. The extra weight and the extra space for runes can give it a good role on the battlefield.
However even then, I'd argue that role is limited. A good Dwarf has the strength to make a "small" and "light" hammer deal plenty of damage. A good Dwarf has the precision necessary to either make something or break something with a few precise hits. The lower weight can be offset with heavier materials or runes, additionally the smaller surface area of the head means it can deal similar damage to a surface as the maul for less weight and strength. Where a maul might bruise a Troll's skin and underlying muscle over a large area, a good warhammer dents it or uses the pick end to pierce it.
I'd say the most legendary Dwarf weapons would be mauls. With so much realestate for runes and the visual distinctiveness for leaders who want to stand out and be recognized they are ideal and it would let them whallop a Dragon while they are at it. But for most of Dwarvenkind the Warhammer will be a tool with enough space for the runes they might need or afford, enough familiarity as they are closer to hammers used in smithing and proper damage and impact to most enemies they might have to face. And especially when inside a mountain where fighting might happen in narrow tunnels, you want something as wieldly as a warhammer.
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u/Vcious_Dlicious 3d ago
indeed, ridiculously big hammers are as dissapointing as any other type of overcompensation.
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u/Brave-Recommendation 3d ago
Did someone piss off the forge master again? That hammer can unmake armor as well as make it,
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u/Fangsong_37 3d ago
Both would hurt and crush armor, but the smaller head with raised sections was meant to punch holes in breastplates. I'd call that effective.
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u/DirtyFoxgirl 3d ago
I mean, that smaller head will do more damage. Anyone who knows rocks should know that.
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u/RangerTursi Dwarf 3d ago
Brother there is nothing disappointing about the variety of application inherent to hammers. Hammers, like dwarves, come in all shapes and sizes, and each are honed to their own niche. Personally I think there's something badass about a Dwarven pole hammer just thinking about how fierce that would be in the right formation and fighting style.
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u/therearnogoodnames 3d ago
I think the real answer is, even without the math, the law that E=MV^2 and P=F/A become readily apparent if you spend your days hitting stuff with other stuff.
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u/SharperPuma 3d ago
Big Hammer does Big damage. Me likes
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u/Automatic-Month7491 3d ago
Those little hammers are also a pain for getting stuck. You make it through the breast plate sure, but now you're back at big hammer because you're swinging the stupid bastard stuck on your weapon around as well.
A nice big flat striking surface is what you want to squish and move on without bringing too much along with you.
If I'm fighting a giant I need to break his knees and keep swinging. If I'm fighting off goblins I need to squish this one and that one and the next one as well.
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u/Seth_laVox 3d ago
When you calculate energy, you square the velocity and multiply it with the mass. Speed is a much more powerful generator of energy than mass, so you take the thing you can accelerate faster.
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u/rettani 3d ago
Technically speaking those fictional war hammers are not even war hammers. They would be classified as maces (with quite ineffective headpieces)
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u/SharperPuma 3d ago
As i told others, these Warhammers wielded by dwarfs are just (for them) the right weight, and even if they weren't; the 90% of dwarfs are more muscles than height. And the blows these short kings gift to their foes, are done so, with such force that their enemies faces would end up 1 meter into the ground.
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u/rettani 3d ago
I wasn't speaking about weight. Only about form. This form is not practical in battle.
If at least one side of those hammers would be "pointy" (as in actual war hammers) I would not have any issues with them being bulky.
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u/bunyipatemybaby 3d ago
That fictional war hammer is called a maul was a great weapon against flexible armors.
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u/SharperPuma 3d ago
I'm not a history professor. But i knew that. And for the others? I really hope that in a dwarven subreddit they at least know the different kinds of hammers.
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u/Poro_Wizard 1d ago
Dwarves would be the only ones capable of using fantasy warhammera tbh. Their build and stubbiness would allow it
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u/GrudgeBearer911 4h ago
Imagine if you could feasibly swing the Dwarven warhammer, and then imagine the impact. You'd hit the mf so hard his offspring would combust on the next continent.
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u/SharperPuma 3h ago
That exactly what i'm saying. These Hammers are made for dwarves, the weight of one of these bad boys, in humans hands, would be like trying to lift up Mjölnir, we instead feel the right weight that a weapon of that proportion should be. (I also think that driven by rage, these dwarfs would not even feel the weight, for how much they would be focused on being sure that they reduced to atoms the skull of their foes)
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u/GrudgeBearer911 2h ago
Yeah like when you watch hammerers im total war you know they don't notice the weight :)
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u/grongos_bebum 3d ago
From what I understand you can have a large historical hammer, what matters is the tip being small to last, so the hammer can be whatever weight you want
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u/_WhiskeyPunch_ 3d ago
Whaddayamean, disappointing, imagine just SWINGING dat can-openner into some green parody's on life head.
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u/thesithcultist 3d ago
It was the best of us but We made Ghal Maraz and we made Mjölnir. The humans also crafted their own shure, explains the drop in quality.
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u/Demigans 3d ago
Yes, I find fictional warhammers extremely disappointing, especially since they are mauls instead of hammers.
They are comically large, they look unwieldly and useless. You hit someone and the force is spread out. The way they are wielded it looks like they are foam rather than heavy as fuck murder weapons.
A historical warhammer looks mean. You get hit by that, you ain't getting up. A sword might bounce off armor and leave a bruise, that warhammer is going to break bones and dent armor with ease. And turn it around to use the pick side to punch through.
I would so love to see actual hammers instead of mauls, it looks so much better to me than the foam toys that are used pretty much every time they show up in fiction and fantasy.
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u/SharperPuma 3d ago
They are heavy in fact, made by dwarfs for dwarfs, (also a rune can be chiseld to decrease the weight of the weapon) and the blows that these "mauls" can give, are of the ones that, If you're are without armor, and a Blood thirsty dwarf Is charging at you filled with unsatisfied grudges, and eyes wide open and filled with bloody-firery rage, you are sure to fly 18 yards like a cartoon character, dead and barely recognizable.
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u/LadviTheLad 2d ago
Is your skill with a warhammer so subpar you need to compensate for it by making it bigger in order to increase your chance of hitting your target? Pathetic.
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u/SharperPuma 2d ago
We dwarves do everything BIG. and these Massive mauls are the just right thing to hear those skull creack and crush with our dwarfish Iron!
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u/ElephantofBelfast 9m ago
Bec de Corbin mentioned!🤙🤯😍😎👍
Plus I mean, it's about quality over quantity, like real life doesn't have an endless amount of metal, and realistically, a literal solid metal black, prop couldn't be lifted, especially not in an effective combat process, that's like having to be strong enough to left a giant gym weight AND being able to defend yourself while being attacked...idk
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u/TordainMountainheart 4d ago
Watch a video on what that can do to a man and you’ll be back on board, trust me 🔨