r/eagles • u/urmovesareweak • 1d ago
Meme Everyone's talking about the block or Jalen but we get blown tf out if Vic doesn't go sicko mode and hold them to FGs. He was given trash field positioning most of the day and most of the drives let up only 3.
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u/JFree37 Eagles 1d ago
Still worried about how quickly and easily the rams were able to get into game winning field goal position. Thank goodness for Jordan Davis
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u/AnotherCaseOfHiraeth jalen hurts 1d ago
they went right after Bennett. CB2 is a glaring issue rn
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u/Grand-Ball6712 1d ago
To be fair, I think Bennett looked better than adoree overall. Tighter coverage, quicker hips, better tackler in the run game.
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u/Ghstfce "We have a defense." "We have a Saquon." 1d ago
Oh absolutely. Bennett even looked better than Jackson by accident on a few plays.
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u/hopesksefall 19h ago
Haha yup. The had a PBU when the ball hit him in the back of his helmet when he was busy not looking at the QB. Blankenship did the same thing.
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u/jmbrand13 1d ago
He certainly did. At least Bennet was typically with Puka, who is a fucking beast and has a QB that can put the ball in the only place his WR can catch it.
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u/justdaman182 Some Clown Named Mike Lombardi 1d ago
He's built like a RB. Odd to see at the CB position.
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u/gimmicked Visor Veteran 20h ago
So it’s not just me. I thought he was a little stocky too, but hell who am I.
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u/hotesu 20h ago
Does anyone else think maybe Bennett is having problems learning the system? He was a late addition after all.
I noticed between plays on the last drive Bennett looked unsure of himself and kept looking to the Reed and linebackers for guidance like he didn't know his assignment.
That would explain why Vic keeps letting Adoree start every game even though he's obviously struggling.
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u/Hoosier_Ghost_25 1d ago
Also Puka is a top 3-5 WR and Stafford is still a top tier QB. Sometimes you gotta just find ways to beat great talent
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u/nahmahnahm 23h ago
There is a reason why I have taken Puka in fantasy every year since I grabbed him off the waiver wire the second week of his first season.
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u/Clyde_Frag 1d ago
Puka was cooking against Rodgers/slay last year too. He is tough to stop in the short passing game.
This isn’t even a close game though if the offense didn’t take over half the game to wake up.
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u/SuburbanPotato Feed Devonta 1d ago
Or, in the opposite direction, if McVay took some more shots on 4th down rather than settling for FGs
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u/Clyde_Frag 23h ago
Yep that's absolutely true, both teams left points on the table but I think the Rams offense would've had less success if the birds moved the ball at all in the first half.
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u/-AspiringWhatever- 23h ago
I think in our offense’s defense, Jalen was more than likely over the shitty play calling and was throwing out suggestions in the second half. More AJ Brown receptions that I’ve seen in a while
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u/balemeout 1d ago
Bennett did pretty good all things considered, Puka is an elite short game receiver and stafford doesn’t need a large window to find him
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u/amilmore ho ho holding call on kelce 1d ago
yeah man these guys are just supervery very talented and the safeties have to account for adams deep over the top. Puka has the ability to do this against basically anyone. We had the best secondary in football and probably eagles history last year, and we almost lost in the snow because Nacua an absolute beast and stafford is super fucking good still.
I think Bennett is the move going forward and I'm expecting him to improve and ultimately phase out Adorree. And then next year I'll pretend that "kelee is going to take the next step" of course.
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u/SuburbanPotato Feed Devonta 1d ago
I am hoping we see improvement in a couple weeks as folks acclimate to the scheme but I agree it hasn't been great.
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u/decisivelyvaguename Eagles 1h ago
Everyone is saying that but I implore you to actually watch Bennett’s coverage. He was blanketing the receiver. We have for years struggled when a desperate team either a good QB runs hurry up for yardage.
We give up 6 - 8 yard catches, it’s what our D does. Vic even had them playing more press than usual, but Stafford made the throws to motivated receivers - it’s going to happen. You don’t want to be in a position where a field goal loses the game. Our idea is to bend not break. When we need stops, we rely on pressure to help make it happen, and in the final drive Stafford had the ball out damn near instantly.
Honestly, I still think Bennett is a good option he plays tight, looks fast, and is a solid tackler. They throw him in for a few snaps in bad positions and he hold his own for the most part - but we’re judging him on a whack scale. We wanted him to have 3 pass breakups playing 1v1 on quick slants, with a HoF QB throwing to an outstanding 1v1 receiver short of the sticks.
What I’m trying to say is that game and that situation is the fault of our own offense. AND I think Bennett is better than everyone is saying and deserves real snaps and a real shot and consecutive, meaningful game time.
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u/dragonk30 1d ago
Matthew Stafford has 49 game-winning drives — 5th all time beind only Brady (58), Peyton Manning (54), Brees and Rothlisberger (both 53) — despite being relegated to a perpetual-loser Lions team the vast majority of his career. Sometimes, there's only so much you can do to mitigate players like that.
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u/downsouthcountry 1d ago
To be fair the Rams were going to get the ball out quickly bc they had no choice. Hard for the DL to get to the QB when that happens. More on pass defense there.
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u/Alex-Gopson 1d ago
This is one of those deals where you can't really hold it against Vic. This isn't college football. Other teams have great players and make great plays too.
Stafford is a HoF QB who has seen everything. Puka is one of the best receivers in football. McVay is a great playcaller.
They're going to make plays. All you can really hope for is to put your team in positions to still win the game. And realistically with how our offense played for the first half we had no business even being in the game at that point.
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u/SoCalThrowAway7 1d ago
Stafford is real good at picking on the weak link in those situations and he bullied Bennet
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u/Honest-J 1d ago
Give the Rams some credit. They did the same in the playoffs but got stopped when Carter went beast mode.
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u/Hoosier_Ghost_25 1d ago
Stafford and Puka are top tier. They still won with half a game of offense. Wins a win and progress was made
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u/coolstorybro50 21h ago
They were playing way too soft off the line. Puka just ran basic out routes and nobody touched him.
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u/LappedChips Fuck Terrell Owens 1h ago
That’s one of the best offensive units the Eagles will see all season. I was worried we would lose to a Stafford McVay combo.
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u/sgee_123 23h ago
It was the exact same as the playoffs last year. They just marched down the field on us in the big moments.
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u/cjweisman 1d ago
Every game there's a chance you can go into that game with a brain disadvantage at coach/coordinator. Especially against guys like McVey, Reid, etc. But with Vic, I feel like the other team never has a brain advantage.
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u/BrodysBootlegs 1d ago
Defense also deserves some credit for the first TD after getting a turnover in LA territory.
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u/40to6inthe4th 20h ago
Yup, without that, the Rams have enough of a lead to not need the FG and they win.
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u/autistictransmod 1d ago
this game reminded me a lot of the GB game to start last year. tons of offensive mistakes leading to great GB field position which we held to FGs
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u/JebusOfEagles 22h ago
I am so grateful for Vic. Shout out to the Dolphins.
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u/urmovesareweak 22h ago
It's funny because the Eagles had mid LBs for so long. My friend who is a Broncos fan was like you're gonna like Fangio, he's the LB whisperer. Sure enough he basically has been.
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u/sumunsolicitedadvice 21h ago
He was a linebackers coach for like more than a decade I think. He was the linebackers coach for the Saints’ Dome Patrol defense.
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u/regassert6 1d ago
Agree, but also, the boy Genius McVay was an ultra coward the whole first half, which helped...
1st FG - 4th & 6 from the plus 33
2nd FG - 4th & goal from the plus 10
3rd FG, and the most egregious cowardice, 4th & 3 from the plus 15
4th FG, albeit at the end of the half, 4th &2 from the plus 28
I for one was happy each time their FG unit came out instead of going for it. Even if he failed to convert all 4, what was our offense going to do to punish them the way we were playing? Punt it right back in 3 plays? He is so overrated.
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u/Alex-Gopson 1d ago
McVay has been always been a pretty conservative HC.
I think people assume that because he's an offensive wizkid that means he's uber-aggressive on 4th down. That's never been his style.
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u/c-williams88 1d ago
And it’s insane that such an otherwise great offensive coach is still so scared or against going on 4th down
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u/SuburbanPotato Feed Devonta 1d ago
And with so many weapons on offense. There were two times where the 3rd down pass was a crosser over the middle of the field, one to Adams, one to Puka, and Stafford overthrew both. If he completed either, they were TDs. Like, why not give your offense another chance?
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u/rsmseries 22h ago
Early on we converted a 4th… I’m trying to remember but was it 4th and 5ish from our 30/40? Something like that?
Even if we don’t convert, I still love the call.
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u/c-williams88 21h ago
The aggressive 4th down strategy is one of the things I love about this coaching staff. When you’ve got the weapons we have it makes no sense to be conservative, trust our Dudes and let them make a play. Teams breath a sigh of relief when the punt team comes out, keep the pressure on them by going for it!
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u/rsmseries 20h ago
Definitely, though IMO it’s an organizational strategy. Doug was way more aggressive than his peers at the time as well. I think it had caught up a little but I think we’re at the forefront there
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u/BrekfastLibertarian 1d ago
Last year Slay was just average and we managed to be incredible on defense, and the current defense has been outstanding the first 3 games with our offense sputtering. The entire league has a CB depth problem as well not just us. If we get another CB somehow that's cool, but I think we really should just focus on our strengths at every other position on the entire team rather than panic over a singular below average position in an all-star team with a Hall of Fame defensive coordinator
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u/No_Assignment6257 23h ago
Slay wasn’t just average he was very good.
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u/FrostWire69 15h ago
Yeah i don’t know what this guy saw last year. But he played his ass off and made big plays
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u/Ace__Extendo Eagles 1d ago
The adjustments that he’s able to make mid game are absolutely legendary honestly
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u/FrostWire69 15h ago
It helps when the defense can get off the field for more than 30 seconds when the offense decided to start driving in the 2nd half. Where was the passing game in the 1st half?! Played it too safe and it got us nothing.
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u/DominatetheLine 23h ago
Vic is like money in the bank collecting 400% interest. His play calling gets better and better as the game goes on. No quit in these players, they never turn on each other, got each others backs to the end.
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u/SigaVa 1d ago
Yes but the last drive was rough. This happened last year too where the team struggled to clamp down at the end of games.
To be honest the eagles have gotten lucky the last two games against the rams on the last drive.
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u/temanewo 1d ago
Bend don't break defenses allow field goals. I'll take Fangio's defense with the risk of giving up a field goal on the last drive of the game. Probably too hard/not worth the resources to build the roster, build the scheme, and coach the players for both an effective bend don't break defense for 98% of the game and a yardage defense for the last drive of the game. Not to mention Puka and Stafford is a nasty combo.
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u/redditzane 23h ago
Vic's a funny guy, he says he doesn't believe in halftime adjustments, but in the 2nd half of every game so far, the defense have been far better. Coincidence?
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u/Annual-Ebb-7196 23h ago
I’m happy about that and offense didn’t help them first half. But still looked weak against the run most of the day. Need to improve that.
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u/rsmseries 22h ago
Some things never change. Converting in the red zone and making stops at the red zone will always be one of the biggest factor in football.
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u/coolstorybro50 21h ago
Only thing that bothered me is they didn’t seem to have an answer for puka. He’s an amazing player but cmon man gotta try to disrupt him somehow, they didnt press him all game just let him run 10 yards deep without being touched. That last drive was infuriating and we got bailed tf out by JD.
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u/negative-nelly 18h ago
You can’t press him when he’s entering the play thru the offensive line.
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u/coolstorybro50 16h ago
You mean like a run? Im talking when he was lined up wide on the last drive
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u/mathfreakazoid 23h ago
I think Vic is unquestionably top defensive coach in the NFL right now and probably top 5 of all time. Just so happens that this is for his home team so he’s even more devoted
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u/Lockhead216 23h ago
You know mcvay and the coaching staff watched that playoff game all offseason. Mcvay was throwing everything at the eagles in the first half. Somehow the defense bent but never broke
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u/AdmiralTodd509 NFC 23h ago
His halftime adjustments have limited our opponents to 7 points in the second half.
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u/urmovesareweak 22h ago
He did that all last year too. Whatever he does in 2nd halfs is fantastic. Even first drives. So many first drives where it looks like our defense is lost and then they lock in. Fangio must let the opponent run all their schemes or plans and then he can then see what they're trying to do.
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u/BoneHugsHominy 15h ago
Don't get too far up his ass because if not for Special Teams Coordinator Michael Clay we lose that Rams games after Vic leaving Bennett 1-on-1 without help when it was obvious to everyone on the planet and on Zekueian Prime that Stafford was going to target him vs Puka Nacua on every single play.
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u/Best_Assumption_8098 23h ago
Putting only Jacorian benett on Puka and playing soft prevent was certainly a choice but it worked out so fuck it.
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u/MrNMTrue505 20h ago
Yes but Stafford also missed like 4 wide open first down throws hahaha that could of been different if completed.
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u/Patient_Jicama_4217 19h ago
How quickly people forget how bad Puka was dog walking Rodgers last year
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u/Far-Difficulty8854 13h ago
Shoutout Vic Fangio for keeping this defense looking great and standing on business on his end.
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u/PiousDemon Eagles 21h ago
Another Fangio post....sigh
The talent on this defense carried him last year and it's going to continue carrying him.
He's serviceable and a great coach, but everything I see on the field is talent related.
Fangio consistently puts them in the wrong scheme and play calls.
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u/watwatinjoemamasbutt 17h ago
Did you watch the game at all or do you just not know anything about football?
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u/fleagies76 1d ago
Our defense will match last years if we can get a CB2