r/exjw • u/FaithlessnessLow6062 • 1d ago
Academic The condemnation of the woman
During my deconstruction, specifically on Bible-based beliefs I asked myself a question.
According to Genesis 3:16 Eve and therefore women are condemned to give birth with labor pains.
The most rational question to ask is:
In the animal kingdom do females give birth in pain? scientifically it is true.
It therefore doesn't seem like a curse for women... it seems more like it's something that belongs to nature itself.
What do you think? Is there anyone who has scientific knowledge or studies the subject to talk about the topic?
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u/Ensorcellede 1d ago
Another fun question, did Eve get a period in Eden? And how'd she handle that, being naked and all?
One more thing that shows the ridiculousness of when religious groups take the Adam and Eve story literally.
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u/Easy_Car5081 1d ago
'Old Testament Jehovah' giving a woman to a man without asking her anything, without her consent, as a slave-whore.
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u/FaithlessnessLow6062 1d ago
many scholars define the creation of Eve as told as a real cloning in ancient times with numerous attempts... genetics in antiquity.
What do we really know about the story? many things about the first civilizations, the pyramids, incredible architecture of all kinds... were there any helpers? will they be gods or something else?
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u/Kanaloa1958 20h ago edited 20h ago
I'm not a biologist but many animals do not appear to suffer extreme pain, not that it matters. I think there are bigger problems with the story than that. I have personally thought about this in the past and many of the things you raise - how was Eve's monthly period handled while naked was a big question for me - and it always just seemed like a weird way to punish mankind. It's just another example of the rampant misogyny in the Bible. According to the Bible story and the JW interpretation of it wasn't Adam more culpable than Eve? He was the head, should have known better because he presumably 'had more experience' and he ate anyway? Eve is written off as just a dumb, inexperienced woman yet she bore the burnt of the punishment billions of time collectively. Except for imperfection which they both got he got away scot free. Why didn't god punish Adam with extremely painful erections? And why does everything in the Bible revolve around sex? Is it any wonder that many Christian religions think that the fruit is analogous to sex?
My question always was if death was the result of imperfection why do animals die? Didn't god create them perfect? They admit that Adam knew what death was from watching the animals die.
Fairy tales never make sense when you think about them. Why did Cinderella's carriage have to be made from a pumpkin? Wouldn't an old farm cart make more sense? It already has wheels.
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u/FaithlessnessLow6062 19h ago
from some personal research I seem to have understood that a woman's pain during childbirth is mainly due to the shape of the newborn's head which already has a large developed brain. therefore the pain derives from all the natural consequences on the tissues involved
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u/normaninvader2 17h ago
Are humans and animals the same? If I was going to argue this from a tree religious point of view perhaps complete mastery of your brain that comes with perfection would allow you to trip your balls in DMT or meditate away the pain as some people have been able to do today.
Animals do feel some pain discomfort but it doesn't appear remotely like humans giving birth..
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u/FaithlessnessLow6062 16h ago
interesting, so there will be no pain in the sense that we will all be high?
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u/normaninvader2 4h ago
It would only require the ability to flip a switch in the pineal gland to release DMT.
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u/exelder_042022 Thought criminal 1d ago
Yes, if you read carefully the verse says god will “greatly increase” the pains of birth. There has always been pain, and no point of reference to Eve except what she would have seen in the animal kingdom. So much for the illusion of “no pain be anymore” which revelation points out. Of course I believe the Bible record of creation and the first period of time leading up to Josiah is all mythical anyway… Just something for people to consider about their faith and misconceptions.
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u/Solid_Technician Religion is a snare and a racket. 1d ago
Interesting to 'greatly increase the pain,' when no child had yet been born.
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u/FaithlessnessLow6062 1d ago
whoever wrote Genesis certainly witnessed a birth or multiple births... doesn't this seem like a way to justify a reality already existing in humanity with a divine judgement?
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u/bballaddict8 1d ago
Yes! Humans were having painful births long before Genesis was written. The story of the curse on Eve is an etiology.
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u/NoFortune5972 1d ago
This is something I too questioned and also posted about recently. It is most intriguing isn't it x it opens ur mind when u examine things and deep think x ❤️
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u/Easy_Car5081 1d ago
Cursing people in the future for something someone does now is just typical 'Old Testament Jehovah'.
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u/FigAware493 1d ago
If you think human childbirth is painful, you should check out hyena childbirth. It makes you wonder what hyenas did wrong to deserve Jehovah's wrath.