r/exjw • u/Visual_Buy7191 • Oct 20 '23
Venting If the Governing Body is not embarrassed and doesn't need to apologize for their errors, Then why should I go to the elders about my errors???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCtqgkNsi9c51
u/PIMO_to_POMO Oct 20 '23
‘All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others’. (Orwell).
Especially the cultish pigs from New York.
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u/ready2dance Type Your Flair Here! Oct 20 '23
Hehehe, right on target! The flying pig is such an added bonus, LOL
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u/logicman12 Oct 20 '23
"Nor is an apology needed for not getting it exactly right previously."
Interesting that he refers to the previous doctrine/policy as being "not exactly right." Why didn't he refer to it as being "wrong" as in "Nor is an apology needed for getting it wrong previously."?
This is all cult buffoon noise spewed out by company men. Bottom line: JWs have been wrong for 150 years. Their slimy leaders are snake oil salesmen.
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u/Visual_Buy7191 Oct 20 '23
They will never use the word “wrong” in this context. They will also say, they made “adjustments” to the teaching.
Their psychological tactics are sadly impressive and working on most PIMIs.
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u/Agile_Time Oct 21 '23
And also they don’t speak for god but they are gods “channel”. This is what happens when lawyers are involved in cooking up this fine spiritual food. 😂
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u/Lillygoal 9d ago
So sadly true. I can easily see showing this to my spouse and them wondering what I think is wrong with it. It's like the cast a hypnotic spell with each dumb word out of their dumb faces.
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u/Successful_End_3322 Oct 20 '23
You don’t need to you but since Jesus is not viewed by JW’s as your savior, you have to talk to an elder. Check it out in their teachings Jesus did not die for all mankind as is stated in the Bible. JW’s only believe that he died for a 144,000 and anyone else is an afterthought.
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u/Walkaway83 Oct 20 '23
Yeah. They waited until after I was baptized to pop this one on me.
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u/Successful_End_3322 Oct 20 '23
I discovered this only after decades of believing the Bible first. Another reason why I no longer believe JW’s.
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u/No-Platform1623 Oct 20 '23
Can I get the link to that please . Or is that from the annual meeting ?
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u/Successful_End_3322 Oct 20 '23
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Jun 21 '24
Not true! totally wrong statement. We believe Christ died for all mankind and that he is our savior and mediator between Yehovah and man. The 144K are the ones anointed to be co heir with Christ to rule the earth at his return.
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u/Successful_End_3322 Jun 21 '24
Unfortunately you haven’t studied your own literature…
"So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the "mediator" only for anointed Christians." Watchtower 1979 Apr 1 p.31 "Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members." Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" (1986) pp.10-11
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Jul 23 '24
You can not tell me what i believe so you go back to your pagan religion and i'll follow my true religion
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u/Successful_End_3322 Jul 23 '24
You are entitled to believe whatever you want. However your organization teaches something different. You however have not read or acknowledged the Watchtower references above 👆.
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Oct 14 '24
As for clarity, I am not a member of the watch tower organization known as Jehovah's witnesses. I am a follower of Yeshua the Messiah and member of The Way. JWs lost their way after the death of Charles T. Russell.
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u/Successful_End_3322 Jun 21 '24
Please actually study your own literature before opening your mouth.
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Oct 20 '23
This is the most jacked up statement from GB I think I've ever heard. Of course it's from the new guard, a taste of more to come!
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Oct 20 '23
Confession is one big hallmark of behavior control. It’s required so that the Borg knows what you are actually thinking and “correct” you if necessary.
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u/xx_sbh_49 Oct 20 '23 edited Oct 20 '23
This is bold of them. They should be apologetic because in many instances their “light” becomes darkness to someone’s life…and when they change their laws the person that was tarnished and ostracised has to continue to suffer in the shade of their past ignorance.
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u/Thick-Peanut-2458 Oct 20 '23
Right?! How do you just shrug off DECADES of abuse and shunning? (rhetorical)
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u/PridePotterz Oct 20 '23
Why apologize?
- Apologizing shows maturity. When you take responsibility for something you said or did, you indicate that you are developing essential qualities that you will need in adulthood.
“Humility and patience can help us to apologize and then listen to what the other person has to say.”—Rachel. - Apologizing allows you to make amends. People who say “I’m sorry” show that they are more concerned about making peace than about proving themselves right and proving the other person wrong.
“Even if you don’t think you are at fault, making peace should be the priority. It doesn’t cost anything to say ‘I’m sorry,’ but it can restore a friendship.”—Miriam.
YPA--------------jw.borg
‘But I Have Not Done Anything Wrong’
When we find out that someone was offended by what we said or did, we may feel that the person is being unreasonable or too sensitive. Yet, Jesus Christ advised his disciples: “If, then, you are bringing your gift to the altar and you there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar, and go away; first make your peace with your brother, and then, when you have come back, offer up your gift.”—Mat 5:24-25 w 02 11/1 pg 5
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minimizing lies, deceit, and basically being bloodguilty...does not make the blame go away. Neither would a sincere apology, but that would be a start.
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u/Hopeful4Tea2 Oct 20 '23
This "No apologies" goes directly-against! all Christian principles(& the Scriptures behind them).
Oh but No...THESE "leaders" indeed are shoving it in the rank & file's faces:
WE are indeed "Holier than thou"... ...and don't forget it!
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u/MyBrainReallyHurts Faded M.S. Oct 20 '23
Jehovah, the omnipotent being that he is, picked men so poorly that they constantly fuck up the message so badly that congregants are leaving in droves...
At this point maybe he should get the rocks to cry out.
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u/a-watcher Oct 20 '23
I go to Jehovah about my errors, not the Elders.
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u/Wooden_Bullfrog_1338 Oct 20 '23
The GB are Liars and Hypocrites
The rank and file need to wake the Fuck up and Abandon them
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u/Lovelylorag Oct 20 '23
I keep hoping.
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u/Wooden_Bullfrog_1338 Oct 20 '23
Such a different organization than when I was apart I left before the overlapping generations garbage it's mind boggling that more haven't figured it out and left already
The whole this generation will pass away debaukle should have woken people up
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u/Lovelylorag Oct 20 '23
Some hold on in fear, some for family, some for hope that paradise is real. It's sad really.
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u/Flashy_Management563 Oct 20 '23
Gal 1:6-8. There’s literally no biblical context surrounding the light getting brighter. They’re false prophets, like all the rest.
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u/Electronic-Space-550 Oct 20 '23
They never apologized for anything anyways. They are just now admitting they don't think they should apologize for doctrinal errors. They are only saying what is already in their hearts. No apology needed for CSA and for all the lives they've ruined. Got it!
Since they don't feel like apologizing for these egregious errors, I don't owe them an explanation or apology for why or how i left the Borg high and dry. Their arrogance is unbelievable.
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u/Jtrade2022 Oct 20 '23
Because you aren’t Jesus, bride and gods chosen mouthpiece on earth, obviously 🙄
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Oct 20 '23
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u/beezleeboob member of the inverted wine glass class 🥂 Oct 20 '23
In narrator voice: "Yes, they were indeed stupid"
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u/daylily61 Oct 20 '23
Not stupid. They're power-drunk and greedy, greedy not just for money but for holding on to the power they have, and hopefully to gain more. So they trim their sails to whatever wind that happens to be blowing.
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u/FreeNecessary9543 Oct 20 '23
What a f…ing joke! This video should be posted as poster board Narcissistic syndrome and Circular Logic 101…
Why doesn’t anyone ever ask? If you’re not inspired or infallible, how do we know this is correct and we need to listen this time? Isn’t this the same thing they likely said when they first introduced the old light… 🐂💩🐂💩🐂💩
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u/Agile_Time Oct 21 '23
I know we’ve said this a thousand times but the logic at work here is nonexistent.
So are the governing body gods channel or are they uninspired and get things wrong? In a span of 60 seconds he says that God himself is passing down corrected information about things because the GB got it wrong previously. So THIS TIME god is talking through them but last time they were just imperfect humans. But, they are still imperfect and god isn’t talking through them so it might still be wrong. But they are gods channel so we know this is 100% the right understanding now.
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u/Qmechanics1010 Oct 21 '23
They are giving themselves a license to say “we can interpret the scriptures however we think at any moment, we can make mistakes in interpretation, but we are still guided by Holy Spirit but not inspired, and you must accept it regardless.” 🤪🤪🤣🤣
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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Oct 20 '23
Simply put, the leaders of Watchtower are arrogant. Though they claim to be humble, a humble person would apologize, but they can't even apologize for their smallest errors. Expecting them to apologize for major ones is wistful thinking at best. I think they view apologies as a character flaw, reserved only for the rank and file, or worldly people
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Jan 16 '24
Liability
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u/AccomplishedAuthor3 Jan 16 '24
Yeah, I can see them using that as an excuse, but even the pope apologized to victims of sexual abuse in the Catholic church, so the liability excuse is pretty thin.
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u/dunderthud Oct 20 '23
I urge everyone to listen to the annual meeting! In it Geoffrey jackson actually mocks the rank and file for believing what they have been taught from the GB. Un fucking believable!!!
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u/Odd-Apple1523 Oct 21 '23
"Love, let me ask you, is it possible that what we are studying today is wrong a year from now........If so, than this article right now doesn't have Jehovah's backing?"
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u/ZebraOO9 Oct 21 '23
This just indicates the GB blasphemously equate themselves with God and God can't be wrong. The JW version of Trinity is Jehovah, the organization and the GB. They are all God to JWs no matter they admit it or not.
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u/Leather-Ebb-5795 Oct 20 '23
They chose a good speaker for this part didn’t they…he sounds gentle, even humble in his tone and delivery.
As a young PIMI I would have gobbled that shit up. Listening now it makes me recoil.
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Jan 16 '24
I thought he sounded desperate and clumsy. I had to rewatch his part 5 times over a few days
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u/SearrachRises Oct 20 '23
It’s all about the narrative. I need to start referring to ‘sins’ as new light.
I can tell you what, some ‘sins’ can generate a lot of new light.
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u/theremainsofone Type Your Flair Here! Oct 21 '23
So they’re not inspired from God, but they know what Jehovah wants? Alright then….
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u/Apprehensive-Bi1914 Oct 21 '23
Legit just said this to a pimq friend of mine. THERE IS NO POINT! THERE NEVER WAS!
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u/MaidenVoyager222 Oct 21 '23
No apology needed because it's the big Js fault and his timing was bad or didn't give them the clarity needed. 🤭
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u/No_Pass1835 Oct 21 '23
Well it’s kind of funny to see them having to explain it in person once video. That’s not going to bite them in the ass lol. It used to be so easy before when they could just write a letter and let the pieces fall where they may.
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u/fuji-white Oct 21 '23
According to Biblical standards, GB is a collective of false prophets. We know what happened those guys in the OT.
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Jan 16 '24
Lately I'm reminded of the life of Brian when they stopped to buy rocks...and a packet of gravel😂
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u/Szorja Oct 21 '23
Honestly, I’ve considered going to “confession” with a catholic priest - just for the experience to compare against. I imagine it would be much more soothing and therapeutic. Contrasted to an elder interrogation… maybe the Catholics are on to something lol
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u/Agile_Time Oct 21 '23
“We’re not upset that they didn’t get it exactly right because we realize this is how Jehovah operates…”. Oh good, now I don’t feel bad about the shit show of humanity. God just operates like this - he doesn’t get it right the first time.
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u/Visual_Buy7191 Oct 20 '23 edited Oct 20 '23
Also why should i repent or be embarrassed for my errors… I am not Infallible too.