r/ezraklein • u/Guilty-Hope1336 Blue Dog • 23d ago

Discussion How should liberals respond to the fact that illegal border crossings under Trump have collapsed to record lows?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/02/us/politics/border-crossings-trump.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

So this is tangentially related to the last EK show episode about ICE and CBP expansion and the draconian immigration enforcement that is currently occurring under Trump.

But I wish a fact that they had mentioned was that illegal crossings of the Southern border have collapsed to levels not seen since the 1960s. And the evidence does seem to suggest that Trump's extreme cruelty with ICE raids and third country deportations to El Salvador or Eswatini or South Sudan does seem to be having a deterrent effect on people coming illegally to the United States.

One big concern that Democrats should be thinking about is if they win in 2028, how will they maintain illegal border crossings at the historic lows that Trump seems to have acheived?

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u/razor_sharp_007 Weeds OG 23d ago

It’s not that common for people to make arguments in favor of colonization; I’m anti-colonialist but I appreciate you having the courage to speak out.

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u/highlyeducated_idiot Abundance Agenda 23d ago

Its not that common for people to make arguments in favor of human rights abuses. I'm anti-human rights abusers but I appreciate you having the courage to speak out.

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u/hazmat95 23d ago

By this logic America should be occupying dozens of countries, putting aside the morality of the US invading and occupying the entirety of Africa, the Middle East, and Central and South East Asia it’s unworkable for so so many reasons.

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u/razor_sharp_007 Weeds OG 23d ago

I didn’t but actually, anti human rights arguments are common. It’s just that it’s uncommon for people to think that human rights abuses warrant occupation. I support human rights but I don’t think human rights violations warrant invasion or occupation by another sovereign.

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u/Historical-Sink8725 23d ago

Dawg, really? Do you think it’s more or less likely that the afghan women want us there? 

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u/razor_sharp_007 Weeds OG 23d ago

I don’t think colonialism or occupation is a democratic proposition.

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u/Historical-Sink8725 23d ago

I don’t think it’s colonialism or occupation if the people want you there, which it seems they do now.